How did this happen?

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Hi,

I am trying to figure out how one PC that I built for somebody and configued
with SP2 as well as Norton Systemworks 2005 Premier (only week ago) could
let a website silently install spyware, add items to the Favorites menu, and
change the homepage to a search website that it does not even connect to.

Regrettably the system was restored to a state previous to the event with
Norton Ghost 9, before any info could be noted!

The only thing the user can say with certainty is that he last visited a few
websites that showed up on a list of "work-at-homes" plans with a Google
search, before this happened (after a regular morning boot).

How does one configure IE or Windows options so that such "silent installs"
are not possible? We checked everything we could find and saw that all the
appropriate options are already enabled.

Thanks in advance for any illumination.

SK
 
SK said:
Hi,

I am trying to figure out how one PC that I built for somebody and
configued with SP2 as well as Norton Systemworks 2005 Premier (only
week ago) could let a website silently install spyware, add items to
the Favorites menu, and change the homepage to a search website that
it does not even connect to.
Regrettably the system was restored to a state previous to the event
with Norton Ghost 9, before any info could be noted!

Then anything we say will be pointless speculation. The most likely scenario
is that the user allowed the changes either by fiddling with settings or not
understanding a security dialogue and hitting the wrong thing while flailing
wildly at the keyboard to make the nasty message go away.

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SK said:
Hi,

I am trying to figure out how one PC that I built for somebody and
configued with SP2 as well as Norton Systemworks 2005 Premier (only
week ago) could let a website silently install spyware, add items to
the Favorites menu, and change the homepage to a search website that
it does not even connect to.

Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect the
user from adware/spyware, because, after all, he/she has installed
them him/herself, so he/she must want them there, right? Naturally, a
firewall isn't designed to be of any use in preventing the user from
deliberately installing malware.
Regrettably the system was restored to a state previous to the event
with Norton Ghost 9, before any info could be noted!

The only thing the user can say with certainty is that he last
visited a few websites that showed up on a list of "work-at-homes"
plans with a Google search, before this happened (after a regular
morning boot).
How does one configure IE or Windows options so that such "silent
installs" are not possible? We checked everything we could find and
saw that all the appropriate options are already enabled.

Thanks in advance for any illumination.

SK


Neither adware nor spyware, collectively known as scumware,
magically install themselves on anyone's computer. They are almost
always deliberately installed by the computer's user, as part of some
allegedly "free" service or product.

While there are some unscrupulous malware distributors out there,
who do attempt to install and exploit malware without consent, the
majority of them simply rely upon the intellectual laziness and
gullibility of the average consumer, counting on them to quickly click
past the EULA in his/her haste to get the latest in "free" cutesy
cursors, screensavers, "utilities," and/or wallpapers.

If you were to read the EULAs that accompany, and to which the
computer user must agree before the download/installation of the
"screensaver" continues, most adware and spyware, you'll find that
they _do_ have the consumer's permission to do exactly what they're
doing. In the overwhelming majority of cases, computer users have no
one to blame but themselves.

There are several essential components to computer security: a
knowledgeable and pro-active user, a properly configured firewall,
reliable and up-to-date antivirus software, and the prompt repair (via
patches, hotfixes, or service packs) of any known vulnerabilities.

The weakest link in this "equation" is, of course, the computer
user. No software manufacturer can -- nor should they be expected
to -- protect the computer user from him/herself. All too many people
have bought into the various PC/software manufacturers marketing
claims of easy computing. They believe that their computer should be
no harder to use than a toaster oven; they have neither the
inclination or desire to learn how to safely use their computer. All
too few people keep their antivirus software current, install patches
in a timely manner, or stop to really think about that cutesy link
they're about to click.

Firewalls and anti-virus applications, which should always be used
and should always be running, are important components of "safe hex,"
but they cannot, and should not be expected to, protect the computer
user from him/herself. Ultimately, it is incumbent upon each and
every computer user to learn how to secure his/her own computer.


To learn more about practicing "safe hex," start with these links:

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp

Home Computer Security
http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity/

List of Antivirus Software Vendors
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;49500

Home PC Firewall Guide
http://www.firewallguide.com/

Scumware.com
http://www.scumware.com/

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Bruce Chambers

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To guard against drive by and betrayware installation of crudware,
download and install Spyware Blaster :
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

Here's a link to it's FAQ'S which includes info on install issues,
how to enable it's protection, and how to obtain updates for it :
http://www.javacoolsoftware.info/kb/idx/2/0/

Your friend may have been directed to an unscrupulous site that
claimed it was going to scan the system for spyware (thanks, Google)
which then injected massive amounts of the crud onto his system and
then informed him that he would have to purchase their so-called
"spyware removal program" to remove the crud. In the real world this
is called extortion. On the internet it's called no regulations.


MowGreen [MVP]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============
 
Hi,

Thanks for the responses.

Actually you are are right on - I did find out now that the user did get a
middle-of-the-screen pop-up saying that "..a pop-up has been
blocked...please click for options..." or words to that effect. He had
assumed that it was the standard SP2-generated pop-up blocker notification,
perhaps overlooking the fact that that message would have appeared as a bar
at the top of the screen. So he clicked "OK" on that..........

Anyhow, we are both much relieved as I felt that it was an oversight on my
part in setting up the machine that caused this to happen. I build machines
occasionally and configure them as best as I can but revert to these forums
when I run across an issue requiring guidance. This has been an ongoing
rewarding experience.

Bless you all!

Thanks.

SK

PS: SpywareBlaster has now been installed in addition to SpyBot1.3 and
AdAwareSE already running on that system. I am going to install SB on my own
machine too shortly. Thanks for the tip, MowGreen!
 
SK said:
Thanks for the responses.

Actually you are are right on - I did find out now that the user did
get a middle-of-the-screen pop-up saying that "..a pop-up has been
blocked...please click for options..." or words to that effect. He had
assumed that it was the standard SP2-generated pop-up blocker
notification, perhaps overlooking the fact that that message would
have appeared as a bar at the top of the screen. So he clicked "OK"
on that..........
Anyhow, we are both much relieved as I felt that it was an oversight
on my part in setting up the machine that caused this to happen. I
build machines occasionally and configure them as best as I can but
revert to these forums when I run across an issue requiring guidance.
This has been an ongoing rewarding experience.

PS: SpywareBlaster has now been installed in addition to SpyBot1.3 and
AdAwareSE already running on that system. I am going to install SB on
my own machine too shortly. Thanks for the tip, MowGreen!

Users never seem to "do anything", things "just happen to them".
I ignore that. They did it 90% of the time.

In addition to SpywareBlaster - use IE-SpyAd.
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Users never seem to "do anything", things "just happen to them".
I ignore that. They did it 90% of the time.

I agree. That does happen almost all the time.
In addition to SpywareBlaster - use IE-SpyAd.

I will check it out. Thanks for the info.
<- Shenan ->
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yourself before you take any advice - you are the one ultimately
responsible for your actions/problems/solutions. Know what you are
getting into before you jump in with both feet.


Regards.

SK
 

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