Home ICS network using both a hub and a router

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Hello to all,
I have a couple of problems but I will address one at a time here. First, I
have a D-Link DGL-4300 wireless router. I had 2 desktops connected by wire
and a wireless connection to a laptop, all had access to the internet. All
are WinXP SP2. I'm in a newly built home that is CAT6 wired with 5 outlets
located in the house for home networking/Internet access. There is a hub for
the CAT6 but it was not connected until today (professionally done). After
the hub installation, the installer instructed me to plug the WAN line from
the cable modem into the WAN port on my router (it already was), then plug an
Ethernet cable from a port on the router to the RJ45 wall jack that leads to
the hub. I was then supposed to be able to plug the other desktop into the
wall jack in its room and have Internet access. Needless to say, it's not
working and I'm at a loss where to look. I'm writing from PC #1, my main
machine, plugged into port 1 on the router. The RJ45 wire going to the hub is
plugged into port 2 on the router.

The wireless connection on my wife's laptop didn't work either, immediately
after the hub installation. However, I went into its Device Manager and re-
enabled the wireless device and it worked. But I still don't have 'net access
on the second desktop, PC #2. In Network Connections on this machine there is
a 1394 Connection whose status is "connected" and a Local Area Connection
whose status is "limited or no connectivity". I tried "Repair" with no
success. Each machine is running a different firewall software but I don't
think that is an issue because I have had it working before this hub was
added (but I do have a problem with file and printer sharing that I will post
separately - the situation is a bit convoluted...).

Is there some kind of configuration change I need to make to my router or
maybe the firewall on PC #1 (or #2?) to allow this to work? In searching the
net, I get the feeling that it's not too common to employ both a hub and a
router together for Internet Connection Sharing. Can anyone suggest what I
should be looking for?

Thanks for any help offered.
 
Some reading may help:

"Home Networking The Missing Manual" ISBN 0-596-00558-X
"Home Networking Annoyances" ISBN 0-596-00808-2
 
"phlashlite via WindowsKB.com" said:
Hello to all,
I have a couple of problems but I will address one at a time here. First, I
have a D-Link DGL-4300 wireless router. I had 2 desktops connected by wire
and a wireless connection to a laptop, all had access to the internet. All
are WinXP SP2. I'm in a newly built home that is CAT6 wired with 5 outlets
located in the house for home networking/Internet access. There is a hub for
the CAT6 but it was not connected until today (professionally done). After
the hub installation, the installer instructed me to plug the WAN line from
the cable modem into the WAN port on my router (it already was), then plug an
Ethernet cable from a port on the router to the RJ45 wall jack that leads to
the hub. I was then supposed to be able to plug the other desktop into the
wall jack in its room and have Internet access. Needless to say, it's not
working and I'm at a loss where to look. I'm writing from PC #1, my main
machine, plugged into port 1 on the router. The RJ45 wire going to the hub is
plugged into port 2 on the router.

The wireless connection on my wife's laptop didn't work either, immediately
after the hub installation. However, I went into its Device Manager and re-
enabled the wireless device and it worked. But I still don't have 'net access
on the second desktop, PC #2. In Network Connections on this machine there is
a 1394 Connection whose status is "connected" and a Local Area Connection
whose status is "limited or no connectivity". I tried "Repair" with no
success. Each machine is running a different firewall software but I don't
think that is an issue because I have had it working before this hub was
added (but I do have a problem with file and printer sharing that I will post
separately - the situation is a bit convoluted...).

Is there some kind of configuration change I need to make to my router or
maybe the firewall on PC #1 (or #2?) to allow this to work? In searching the
net, I get the feeling that it's not too common to employ both a hub and a
router together for Internet Connection Sharing. Can anyone suggest what I
should be looking for?

Thanks for any help offered.
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If the hub has an uplink port, connect the router to that port.
Connecting the router to a regular port on the hub might not work.

The lights that correspond to the router and hub ports should be on.
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Jerry,

Thanks for the response. I have no problem with reading and research, but I
don't think I'll be buying any books atm - only as a last resort. I will
continue to try to find reference material on the Internet that I can use, or
hope some knowledgeable individual(s) can point me in the right direction. If
that fails, I always have your suggestion to fall back on. Much appreciated.

phlashlite
Some reading may help:

"Home Networking The Missing Manual" ISBN 0-596-00558-X
"Home Networking Annoyances" ISBN 0-596-00808-2
Hello to all,
I have a couple of problems but I will address one at a time here. First,
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Thanks for any help offered.
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Greetings, Steve.

If I understood the installer correctly the Ethernet cable from router's port
#2 is connected to the hub uplink port. He had asked me where I wanted the
central point for the hub to be ("what room will your router be in?") and
used the wall plate in my office for that connection. In that plate is the
incoming coax from my ISP that goes to the cable modem and, above that, what
should be the uplink port to the hub. PC #2 cannot obtain an IP address. FYI -
The installer tested the hub connections he put in and said everything looked
good. Router port #2 light is on but steady and shows no blinking.

Thanks,
phlashlite
Hello to all,
I have a couple of problems but I will address one at a time here. First, I
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Thanks for any help offered.
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If the hub has an uplink port, connect the router to that port.
Connecting the router to a regular port on the hub might not work.

The lights that correspond to the router and hub ports should be on.
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Shawnews said:
I am totally new to home networking. How do I wire it up? I have a Pentium
4 IBM Windows XP Home Edition SP2 computer and an older Pentium 2 IBM
Windows XP Professional. I want to connect the two computers. But first off
I have to figure out how to wire them up to my Linksys Ethernet 10/100
5-port NH1005,V2. I've been to Linksys but they don't seem to even carry
that model hub any more so documentation seems scant.
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See this for help...

http://www.networkeverywhere.com/support/hubsupport.asp

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I am totally new to home networking. How do I wire it up? I have a Pentium 4
IBM Windows XP Home Edition SP2 computer and an older Pentium 2 IBM Windows
XP Professional. I want to connect the two computers. But first off I have
to figure out how to wire them up to my Linksys Ethernet 10/100 5-port
NH1005,V2. I've been to Linksys but they don't seem to even carry that model
hub any more so documentation seems scant.
 
Shawnews said:
REALLY appreciate it Al. Valuable site. But I'm having trouble with the
basic connections. It's a Network Everywhere 5 port Hub. There's a female
plug that says UPLINK. And then five other plugs numbered 1 thru 5 above
them. It's MY understanding that I take the cable with the clip adapter
out of the back of the cable modem (which ultimately comes out of the
wall) and plug it into the UPLINK socket. There's a white bar that goes
from the UPLINK socket to the number 5 socket (and no others). Should I
then be plugging another cable with the clip on it into number 5 and then
back into the modem? If I do that, then how does the signal get to the
network card in the computer. This is my problem. Basic cabling at this
point. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Of course, I'll be
mucking with it too.
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What you really need to do is to not use the hub but go out an purchase
router (wired or wireless)...IMHO.

FYI, I currently use a Belkin F5D7230-4 wireless router, but have used a
Buffalo WBR-G54 (wireless), a Network Everywhere NR041 (wired) and a Linksys
BEFSR41 (wired) router in the past.

Otherwise you need to connect the cable modem to one of your PCs, the
desktop is a good candidate, and purchase a second NIC for that PC. Then you
could run ICS on the desktop and connect the laptop to the desktop for
internet access and shared file access.

Now its possible your ISP provides you with more than one public IP address
either for free or at a nominal cost. In that case you could install the hub
between the cable modem and your two PCs. You would need to check with your
ISP about that.

Personally I think the dedicated router is the way to go if its in your
budget...

You might find this interesting. It explains those options in a bit more
detail...

http://www.homenethelp.com/sharing/cable-modem.asp

Otherwise see this page, written for XP, for some help also...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813936/

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Sooner Al said:
See this for help...

http://www.networkeverywhere.com/support/hubsupport.asp
Click to expand...
REALLY appreciate it Al. Valuable site. But I'm having trouble with the
basic connections. It's a Network Everywhere 5 port Hub. There's a female
plug that says UPLINK. And then five other plugs numbered 1 thru 5 above
them. It's MY understanding that I take the cable with the clip adapter out
of the back of the cable modem (which ultimately comes out of the wall) and
plug it into the UPLINK socket. There's a white bar that goes from the
UPLINK socket to the number 5 socket (and no others). Should I then be
plugging another cable with the clip on it into number 5 and then back into
the modem? If I do that, then how does the signal get to the network card in
the computer. This is my problem. Basic cabling at this point. Any
assistance will be greatly appreciated. Of course, I'll be mucking with it
too.
 
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