Help: Two Sided Printing

[Searcher7]

I have a 200+ page document to print out and a Hewlett Packard 2100TN
printer.

I'd like to be able to print on both sides of each page without having
to take each page out of the printer, flip it over, put it back in,
and going through the printing process for wach page.

I know little about printer software and was hoping to get advice on
how to easily omit every other page so I can print out about 100 pages
and then flip the stack over and put them back into the printer to
print out on the blank side of each page.

Is this even possible?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Newshound]

I have a 200+ page document to print out and a Hewlett Packard 2100TN
printer.

I'd like to be able to print on both sides of each page without having
to take each page out of the printer, flip it over, put it back in,
and going through the printing process for wach page.

I know little about printer software and was hoping to get advice on
how to easily omit every other page so I can print out about 100 pages
and then flip the stack over and put them back into the printer to
print out on the blank side of each page.

Is this even possible?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Acrobat will print odd or even pages of a PDF separately. In my experience
with several different non-duplex printers none of them would 100 printed
pages reliably, one page will double feed or crease and then you have a pile
of wasted paper and ink. I picked up a used "office" duty duplex printer
from eBay for this reason.

 

[MyVeryOwnSelf]

I have a 200+ page document to print out and a Hewlett Packard 2100TN

printer.

I'd like to be able to print on both sides of each page without having
to take each page out of the printer, flip it over, put it back in,
and going through the printing process for wach page.

I know little about printer software and was hoping to get advice on
how to easily omit every other page so I can print out about 100 pages
and then flip the stack over and put them back into the printer to
print out on the blank side of each page.

You don’t mention what format the document is, but many applications have a
setting for “even only” and “odd only” pages.

If it’s a pdf file, for example, Adobe reader 6.0 has under
File > Print
a choice of “Subset.”

If it’s a Word file, Word 2003 has under
File > Print
a choice under “Print.”

I used to do this a lot when I had an HP LaserJet 5L. (I’m not familiar
with the 2100TN; hopefully its documentation doesn’t forbid double-siding.)

A word of caution, though. With a file that large, there’s a good chance of
a glitch somewhere: a messed-up page, a dual-page feed, whatever. If
something goes wrong, you’ll end up replacing some pages. Still, I found it
worth the trouble.

 

[Searcher7]

Acrobat will print odd or even pages of a PDF separately. In my experience
with several different non-duplex printers none of them would 100 printed
pages reliably, one page will double feed or crease and then you have a pile
of wasted paper and ink. I picked up a used "office" duty duplex printer
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Yeah, I can have those problems witha single page print-out.

But if I have enough control over any specific page in a document I'd
of course stand there in case something went wrong, and stop/reprint/
continue where I'd have to.

I'm surprised no one has created an app for just this sort of thing.

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[DanG]

I'm surprised no one has created an app for just this sort of thing.

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

I'm surprised that nobody ever thinks to Google for simple solutions. Try
searching for "duplex printing software" and see what turns up.

 

[Burt]

You don't mention what format the document is, but many applications have
a
setting for "even only" and "odd only" pages.

If it's a pdf file, for example, Adobe reader 6.0 has under
File > Print
a choice of "Subset."

If it's a Word file, Word 2003 has under
File > Print
a choice under "Print."

I used to do this a lot when I had an HP LaserJet 5L. (I'm not familiar
with the 2100TN; hopefully its documentation doesn't forbid
double-siding.)

A word of caution, though. With a file that large, there's a good chance
of
a glitch somewhere: a messed-up page, a dual-page feed, whatever. If
something goes wrong, you'll end up replacing some pages. Still, I found
it
worth the trouble.

My HP3005 printer driver software has the ability to print two or four pages
per sheet (on the same side of the paper, of course.) I've done two pages
per sheet for documentation for this printer as most pages are just a waste
of paper. Small print, but much better than printing over 200 pages of
which maybe 30 or 40 have any relevant info. I know I can easily access the
documentation on line or from the CD that came with the printer, but I
prefer to have a printed copy at hand for quick reference.

 

[Bob AZ]

On Sep 23, 12:46?pm, Searcher7 <Search into the printer to

print out on the blank side of each page.

Is this even possible?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

My HPIIID does this with ease. I have run over a 1000 pages at a time
with no problem. 500 sheets plus. HPIIIDs are cheap but the shipping
is a killer. Probably $50.00 or more. The HP software you have for
your 2100TN probably has provisions for odd and then even pages. If in
doubt about things do 10 sheets/pages at a time.

Bob AZ

 

[Searcher7]

I'm surprised that nobody ever thinks to Google for simple solutions. Try
searching for "duplex printing software" and see what turns up.

1) The first time I ever heard the word "duplex" as associated with
printers was in this thread.

2) Doesn't one need a "duplex" printer in order to take advantage of
"duplex" software?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Silicon Sam]

On Sep 23, 12:46?pm, Searcher7 <Search into the printer to



My HPIIID does this with ease. I have run over a 1000 pages at a time
with no problem. 500 sheets plus. HPIIIDs are cheap but the shipping
is a killer. Probably $50.00 or more. The HP software you have for
your 2100TN probably has provisions for odd and then even pages. If in
doubt about things do 10 sheets/pages at a time.

Bob AZ

Best bet for a good cheap duplex printer is a LaserJet 4000 with the
duplex option. Should be able to get one really cheap. The duplex
unit for the 4000 is around $25, on the other hand, the duplexer for
my 5000 is around $200 and up.

The 4000 - 4050 printers were real popular, and there's plenty of
them on the used market right now.

Raymond

 

[Tony]

1) The first time I ever heard the word "duplex" as associated with
printers was in this thread.

2) Doesn't one need a "duplex" printer in order to take advantage of
"duplex" software?

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

Darren
I don't know which application you are using but as an example - If you are
using Microsoft Word, Open the document, select File and Print, near the top
right should be a box labelled Manual Duplex. Tick the box, the printer should
print every second page, turn the pile over when prompted and put them back
into the printer. Try it with a small test document first. The user manual
should help and can be downloaded from HP's website.
You do not need a duplex printer to duplex "manually", only if you wish to
duplex automatically.

Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging

 

[Gary Tait]

2) Doesn't one need a "duplex" printer in order to take advantage of
"duplex" software?

Nope. The software is to manage duplex manual printing. All sheet feed
printers can do it.

A duplex printer simply has a mechansim to automatically refeed a printed
sheet back through, upside down, to print on the backside.

What the software it basically does is print the even pages in natural
order, you flip the bunch around and refeed into the printer, and it
prints the odd pages in reverse order, ending with page 1 on top. Or
something like that.

 

[Fred McKenzie]

2) Doesn't one need a "duplex" printer in order to take advantage of
"duplex" software?

Darren-

Whether your printer driver supports manual duplex printing, or you use
a program to sort it out, you should be able to print documents on two
sides. It may take a little practice with small documents to get the
hang of it.

My latest printer has a duplexer that works like a charm. However it is
quite slow compared to single-sided printing. If I want to print a 100+
page duplex document, I start it printing and go eat lunch! It would be
faster to print odd or even pages first, and then put the stack back in
the tray to print the other side.

Fred

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

I recently bought a used HP 970c inkjet printer, which was originally
bundled with a duplexer (I think). Bob Headrick clued me in that it can
be used with my other two HP inkjet models; at the moment, it's on a 940c.

I became immediately addicted to it, and can't imagine living without
one. I like the fact that it saves a lot of paper, which translates into
cost, and especially space. It's handy when I print out certain web
pages that run just over a page in length; I don't have to futz with the
printout -- so it saves time, too.

The device has worked flawlessly so far. It runs slowly enough so that
it doesn't misfeed the paper. I leave it on all the time because it's a
bit of a pain to set the software for one or the other mode. There's a
time loss, too, because the software imparts a "timeout" to allow the
ink to dry before doing its side-flipping magic. Working
one-page-at-a-time, the device saves time and errors that can occur from
hand-feeding pages for duplexing manually.

Well, you can tell that I'm hooked.

Richard

 

[Searcher7]

I recently bought a used HP 970c inkjet printer, which was originally
bundled with a duplexer (I think). Bob Headrick clued me in that it can
be used with my other two HP inkjet models; at the moment, it's on a 940c.

I became immediately addicted to it, and can't imagine living without
one. I like the fact that it saves a lot of paper, which translates into
cost, and especially space. It's handy when I print out certain web
pages that run just over a page in length; I don't have to futz with the
printout -- so it saves time, too.

The device has worked flawlessly so far. It runs slowly enough so that
it doesn't misfeed the paper. I leave it on all the time because it's a
bit of a pain to set the software for one or the other mode. There's a
time loss, too, because the software imparts a "timeout" to allow the
ink to dry before doing its side-flipping magic. Working
one-page-at-a-time, the device saves time and errors that can occur from
hand-feeding pages for duplexing manually.

Well, you can tell that I'm hooked.

Richard

I'm really getting desperate.

It was difficult enough copying the page from online to my computer.
Notepad couldn't hold the entire page and when I tried to copy it to
WordPad all I'd get were squiggly lines. So while creating multiple
Notepads so I could copy the page something happened. One of the
Notepads converted itself to what looks like a simple version of
WordPad and allowed me to paste all of the text I needed copied.(The
Icon however is a Notepad icon).

I don't know how to transfer it to Adobe Acrobat, and even if I did I
I can't find any options for manual duplex printing.

***Also, I need to print out each page as is without the wors wrapping
around.

I downloaded something called TxtPrint, but I can't get it to work.(I
have WindowsMe).

Under "File" in Word there is "Print", and ""Print Preview", and "Page
Setup". If I hit "Print" it immediately prints. I'm given no other
options.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Searcher7]

I'm really getting desperate.

It was difficult enough copying the page from online to my computer.
Notepad couldn't hold the entire page and when I tried to copy it to
WordPad all I'd get were squiggly lines. So while creating multiple
Notepads so I could copy the page something happened. One of the
Notepads converted itself to what looks like a simple version of
WordPad and allowed me to paste all of the text I needed copied.(The
Icon however is a Notepad icon).

I don't know how to transfer it to Adobe Acrobat, and even if I did I
I can't find any options for manual duplex printing.

***Also, I need to print out each page as is without the wors wrapping
around.

I downloaded something called TxtPrint, but I can't get it to work.(I
have WindowsMe).

Under "File" in Word there is "Print", and ""Print Preview", and "Page
Setup". If I hit "Print" it immediately prints. I'm given no other
options.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.- Hide quoted text -

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Wait, I think I found something.

There is actually another option. After I click "Print", I get another
pop-up that has a
Properties" tab. When I click that, there is another pop-up with "More
Options". When I click that I get one last pop-up that does say
"Printing on both sides (duplex printing)".

Can anyone tell me the difference between "Flip on long edge" and
"Flip on short edge"?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Laura Conrad]

Searcher7> Can anyone tell me the difference between "Flip on long
Searcher7> edge" and "Flip on short edge"?

Imagine you were writing on the paper, and you get to the end of the
first side and want to move to the second side.

You have to turn the paper over to do that, but you hae two choices:

If you're on a tablet that's bound on the top, you have to flip
around the top edge.

If you're on a notebook that's bound on the side, you have to flip
around the left edge.

But your printer paper isn't bound at all, so what the printer wants
to know is whether to flip on the long edge or the short edge.

So if you're in portrait mode, with the long edge on the left, you
will in general want to "flip on long edge", unless you want to bind
the pages at the top, in which case you will flip on short edge.

If you're in landscape mode, you'll want to "flip on short edge" if
you're binding on the side, and "flip on short edge" if you're binding
on the top.

 

[Searcher7]

Searcher7> Can anyone tell me the difference between "Flip on long
Searcher7> edge" and "Flip on short edge"?

Imagine you were writing on the paper, and you get to the end of the
first side and want to move to the second side.

You have to turn the paper over to do that, but you hae two choices:

If you're on a tablet that's bound on the top, you have to flip
around the top edge.

If you're on a notebook that's bound on the side, you have to flip
around the left edge.

But your printer paper isn't bound at all, so what the printer wants
to know is whether to flip on the long edge or the short edge.

So if you're in portrait mode, with the long edge on the left, you
will in general want to "flip on long edge", unless you want to bind
the pages at the top, in which case you will flip on short edge.

If you're in landscape mode, you'll want to "flip on short edge" if
you're binding on the side, and "flip on short edge" if you're binding
on the top.

Ok. Thanks a lot.

I spent the last couple of hours practicing/experimenting with a 6
page document and coming to the realization that no form of duplexing
can be done with my printer. The duplexing option does nohing at all,
so obviously it was only meant to be used with a duplexing printer.
And useless also is the even/odd option I found. For instance, it will
print page 1,5, and then 3 for no apparent reason. And the printer has
started grabbing the next page before the previous page is taken
resulting in a single page over two pieces of paper. And it is also
printing only portions of the text(ie: first paragraph and nothing
else) on some pages. And that is just in WordPad. And these problems
only manifest themselves when I attempt these extra "options". My
printer works fine when prining normally. ?!?

Now, in the WordPad/Notepad hybrid that has the actual document I need
to print out there is no even/odd option at all.

And I still need to figure out how to make the text small enough so
that long sentences do not wrap around and start new lines. In other
words, I want to print out the way the text is displayed whe I open
the document.

Going by how much it is to get a single print-out made at a copy
store, 200 pages would be cost prohibitive. So it looks like I'll have
to take several hours doing one page at a time. Which I wouldn't be
able to do anyway because the WordPad/Notepad document has no page
separation/numbers. It is just one huge page.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Just a couple of comments:
1. The HP software that I downloaded for my 940c inkjet comes with
controls that allow the user to set the mode for flipping around either
one way or the other (top or side.

2. The two programs you've mentioned -- Notepad and Wordpad -- I believe
have been intended from the get-go to be frustrating; they've been
equipped with "gotchas" that have been carried through one version of
Windows after another without relief. Notepad doesn't even follow the
standard text deletion conventions that have been standard in word
processors since the dawn of WordStar!

I think that what you need is either a "real" word processing program,
or a "text editor:" the type of program that's used by programmers. This
name is maddening because these programs are optimized for code, not
true text.

I am using one free program right now that's more civilized than most,
and I have gone pretty crazy trying to find a decent one. It's called
"Edxor"

http://freezip.cjb.net/freeware/

At this time, the print functions may not do what you want. Hopefully a
future version will be tweaked to pagination, fonts, heads/foots etc. right.

But typically programs of this type will give you an option to either
wrap or print straight across.

Richard

 

[Ivor Jones]

"Richard Steinfeld"

[snip]

: : I am using one free program right now that's more
: : civilized than most,
: : and I have gone pretty crazy trying to find a decent
: : one. It's called "Edxor"
: :
: : http://freezip.cjb.net/freeware/
: :
: : At this time, the print functions may not do what you
: : want. Hopefully a future version will be tweaked to
: : pagination, fonts, heads/foots etc. right.
: :
: : But typically programs of this type will give you an
: : option to either
: : wrap or print straight across.
: :
: : Richard

A good (shareware, not free but reasonably priced) alternative to the
Windoze Notepad is Another Notepad - get it here:
http://www.pcshareware.com/anotepad.htm

Ivor
(no connection just a very satisfied user)

 

[Searcher7]

[snip]

: : I am using one free program right now that's more
: : civilized than most,
: : and I have gone pretty crazy trying to find a decent
: : one. It's called "Edxor"
: :
: :http://freezip.cjb.net/freeware/
: :
: : At this time, the print functions may not do what you
: : want. Hopefully a future version will be tweaked to
: : pagination, fonts, heads/foots etc. right.
: :
: : But typically programs of this type will give you an
: : option to either
: : wrap or print straight across.
: :
: : Richard

A good (shareware, not free but reasonably priced) alternative to the
Windoze Notepad is Another Notepad - get it here:http://www.pcshareware.com/anotepad.htm

Ivor
(no connection just a very satisfied user)

Ok, I figured out how to make the print smaller. I changed the font
format to "LinePrinter". The document is now 86 pages long. I have no
choice and will have to do this manually, one shee at a time. But now
I have run into another problem. I can't get the HP 2100TN printer to
work using tray #1(The top tray).

I clicked Start>Settings>Printers, and then right clicked on the "HP
LaserJet 2000" icon, and then clicked the "paper" tab. At the "Paper
Source" drop down menu I highlighted "Upper Tray".

In the WordPad document itself I clicked File>Print>Properties, and
also highlighted "upper tray" in the "Paper Source" drop down menu.

I put a sheet of paper in the fold down printer door and clicked
print, but nothing at all happens.

Have I missed something?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.