Help! TARFU @ the IE6 FAQ. Where is Keith Miller?

[clintonG]

I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ
[1] has what appears to be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I
hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even re-write the corrected
instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how to respond to
the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is not a
blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope
somebody can instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries
are added, you need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu
Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any subfolders.
Then, with the favorite key highlighted, click on Edit > 'Permissions...' ->
'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in the 'Select User or Group Box'
and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself. This will prevent IE from
recreating the 'order' value and it will default to alpha sort. This will
prevent the key from being automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But the
registry key is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus no
observable way to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[Keith Miller MVP]

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled "Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security Settings for Favorites" should
appear with four tabs: 'Permissions', 'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The cursor should be in a textbox
with the label 'Enter the object name to select (examples)'. This is the textbox where you should
enter your user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog labeled 'Permission Entry
for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog as a 'box', I didn't know
it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ [1] has what appears to
be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even
re-write the corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how to respond to
the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is not a blog where comments for
corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope somebody can instruct me
correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries are added, you need a
registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any subfolders. Then, with the favorite
key highlighted, click on Edit > 'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in
the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself. This will
prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it will default to alpha sort. This will prevent
the key from being automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But the registry key is
different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the 'Select User or Group
Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus no observable way to set
value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[clintonG]

Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After following
your instructions I create a folder in Favorites called DelMe but it still
doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put as the last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous install
but the aliens ate the instructions so I'm out looking for a solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled
"Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security Settings
for Favorites" should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions', 'Auditing',
'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The cursor
should be in a textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to select
(examples)'. This is the textbox where you should enter your user name &
then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog labeled 'Permission
Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set Value'
permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog
as a 'box', I didn't know it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ
[1] has what appears to be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I
hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even re-write the corrected
instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how to respond to
the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is not a
blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope
somebody can instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries
are added, you need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu
Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any
subfolders. Then, with the favorite key highlighted, click on Edit >
'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it
will default to alpha sort. This will prevent the key from being
automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But
the registry key is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus
no observable way to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[Keith Miller MVP]

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in the Favorites drop-list on
the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly.
Closing & reopening IE put the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently IE
had some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under Favorites is not being
recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After following your instructions I
create a folder in Favorites called DelMe but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put as
the last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous install but the aliens ate the
instructions so I'm out looking for a solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled "Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security Settings for Favorites" should
appear with four tabs: 'Permissions', 'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The cursor should be in a textbox
with the label 'Enter the object name to select (examples)'. This is the textbox where you
should enter your user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog labeled
'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog as a 'box', I didn't
know it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ [1] has what appears
to be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even
re-write the corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how to respond to
the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is not a blog where comments for
corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope somebody can instruct
me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries are added, you need a
registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any subfolders. Then, with the
favorite key highlighted, click on Edit > 'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your
username in the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself.
This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it will default to alpha sort. This
will prevent the key from being automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But the registry key is
different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the 'Select User or Group
Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus no observable way to
set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[clintonG]

Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set it
all up again. There's not much you can do at this point and I appreciate
your clarification of the comments in the FAQ Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in the
Favorites drop-list on the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the
toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly. Closing & reopening IE put
the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently IE had
some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under
Favorites is not being recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After
following your instructions I create a folder in Favorites called DelMe
but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put as the last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous
install but the aliens ate the instructions so I'm out looking for a
solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled
"Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security
Settings for Favorites" should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions',
'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The
cursor should be in a textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to
select (examples)'. This is the textbox where you should enter your
user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog labeled
'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set
Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog
as a 'box', I didn't know it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


message I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6
FAQ [1] has what appears to be a viable solution but as written it is
rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even re-write the
corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how
to respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out
the FAQ is not a blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and
hope somebody can instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new
entries are added, you need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu
Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any
subfolders. Then, with the favorite key highlighted, click on Edit >
'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it
will default to alpha sort. This will prevent the key from being
automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well.
But the registry key is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in
the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and
thus no observable way to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[Keith Miller MVP]

Has the 'Order' value been recreated?


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set it all up again. There's
not much you can do at this point and I appreciate your clarification of the comments in the FAQ
Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in the Favorites drop-list on
the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly.
Closing & reopening IE put the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently IE
had some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under Favorites is not being
recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After following your instructions I
create a folder in Favorites called DelMe but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put
as the last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous install but the aliens ate
the instructions so I'm out looking for a solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled "Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security Settings for Favorites" should
appear with four tabs: 'Permissions', 'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The cursor should be in a
textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to select (examples)'. This is the textbox where
you should enter your user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog labeled
'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog as a 'box', I didn't
know it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ [1] has what appears
to be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll
even re-write the corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how to
respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is not a blog where
comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope somebody can instruct
me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries are added, you need
a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any subfolders. Then, with the
favorite key highlighted, click on Edit > 'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your
username in the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself.
This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it will default to alpha sort. This
will prevent the key from being automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But the registry key is
different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the 'Select User or
Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus no observable way to
set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[clintonG]

Nope. No presence of order.

BTW -- when I implemeted a sorting solution on my last machine the Favorites
key had a dozen or so folder entries for various Favorites. I recall
deleting those entries and there was no problem. This time around I observed
the same thing. I thought holy hell I have to go through several dozen
folder entries to delete an order value? So I deleted the entries. Of the
many many dozens of folders for Favorites I have created and accumulated
several folder entries have reappeared in the key. No order is present for
them either.

I have created and accumulated 37,646 Favorites. Holy Moley

<%= Clinton Gallagher

Has the 'Order' value been recreated?


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set
it all up again. There's not much you can do at this point and I
appreciate your clarification of the comments in the FAQ Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in
the Favorites drop-list on the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the
toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly. Closing & reopening IE
put the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently
IE had some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under
Favorites is not being recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


message Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After
following your instructions I create a folder in Favorites called DelMe
but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put as the last
folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous
install but the aliens ate the instructions so I'm out looking for a
solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled
"Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security
Settings for Favorites" should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions',
'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The
cursor should be in a textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to
select (examples)'. This is the textbox where you should enter your
user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog
labeled 'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for
the 'Set Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a
dialog as a 'box', I didn't know it was going to be archived for
posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


message I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6
FAQ [1] has what appears to be a viable solution but as written it is
rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even re-write the
corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how
to respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out
the FAQ is not a blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and
hope somebody can instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new
entries are added, you need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu
Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any
subfolders. Then, with the favorite key highlighted, click on Edit >
'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and
it will default to alpha sort. This will prevent the key from being
automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well.
But the registry key is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in
the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions
to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and
thus no observable way to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[clintonG]

Correction. I did not drill down deep enough. The order has in fact
reappeared deep into the listed folder hierarchy of the Favorites key but it
does not appear for the Favorite key itself.

I checked the Advanced Security Settings > Permission tab entry and it is
marked "Deny" for my user name.

<%= Clinton

Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set
it all up again. There's not much you can do at this point and I
appreciate your clarification of the comments in the FAQ Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in
the Favorites drop-list on the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the
toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly. Closing & reopening IE put
the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently IE had
some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under
Favorites is not being recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After
following your instructions I create a folder in Favorites called DelMe
but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put as the last
folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous
install but the aliens ate the instructions so I'm out looking for a
solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled
"Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security
Settings for Favorites" should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions',
'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The
cursor should be in a textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to
select (examples)'. This is the textbox where you should enter your
user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog labeled
'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set
Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a
dialog as a 'box', I didn't know it was going to be archived for
posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


message I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6
FAQ [1] has what appears to be a viable solution but as written it is
rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even re-write the
corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know how
to respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out
the FAQ is not a blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and
hope somebody can instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new
entries are added, you need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu
Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any
subfolders. Then, with the favorite key highlighted, click on Edit >
'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and
it will default to alpha sort. This will prevent the key from being
automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well.
But the registry key is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in
the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions
to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and
thus no observable way to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[Keith Miller MVP]

Each 'Order' value holds the sort order for the folder corresponding to the key which contains that
'Order' value. So the value you found would only affect its folder.

You can delete all the subkeys of Favorites (or delete & recreate Favorites itself) then deny both
'Set Value' and 'Create Subkey' permissions -- this should keep the registry cleaner.

I do see the fluke in the TEMPORARY sorting of newly created folders in the drop-menu and don't know
a fix for that. It doesn't seem to affect the favorites pane, nor does it affect newly-added sites,
they are sorted properly immediately.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Correction. I did not drill down deep enough. The order has in fact reappeared deep into the
listed folder hierarchy of the Favorites key but it does not appear for the Favorite key itself.

I checked the Advanced Security Settings > Permission tab entry and it is marked "Deny" for my
user name.

<%= Clinton

Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set it all up again. There's
not much you can do at this point and I appreciate your clarification of the comments in the FAQ
Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in the Favorites drop-list
on the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly.
Closing & reopening IE put the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently IE
had some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under Favorites is not being
recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After following your instructions I
create a folder in Favorites called DelMe but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put
as the last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous install but the aliens ate
the instructions so I'm out looking for a solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled "Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security Settings for Favorites"
should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions', 'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The cursor should be in a
textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to select (examples)'. This is the textbox
where you should enter your user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog
labeled 'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set Value'
permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog as a 'box', I didn't
know it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ [1] has what
appears to be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I hope somebody has figured this
out. I'll even re-write the corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't know
how to respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is not a
blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope somebody can
instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries are added, you need
a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any subfolders. Then, with the
favorite key highlighted, click on Edit > 'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type
your username in the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it will default to alpha
sort. This will prevent the key from being automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But the registry key is
different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the 'Select User or
Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus no observable way to
set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[clintonG]

I deleted everything including the Favorites key. Recreated the Favorites
key and using your earlier instructions denied Set Value and Create SubKey
permissions. Success! Thank you for hanging in there.

<%= Clinton

Each 'Order' value holds the sort order for the folder corresponding to
the key which contains that 'Order' value. So the value you found would
only affect its folder.

You can delete all the subkeys of Favorites (or delete & recreate
Favorites itself) then deny both 'Set Value' and 'Create Subkey'
permissions -- this should keep the registry cleaner.

I do see the fluke in the TEMPORARY sorting of newly created folders in
the drop-menu and don't know a fix for that. It doesn't seem to affect
the favorites pane, nor does it affect newly-added sites, they are sorted
properly immediately.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Correction. I did not drill down deep enough. The order has in fact
reappeared deep into the listed folder hierarchy of the Favorites key but
it does not appear for the Favorite key itself.

I checked the Advanced Security Settings > Permission tab entry and it is
marked "Deny" for my user name.

<%= Clinton

Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set
it all up again. There's not much you can do at this point and I
appreciate your clarification of the comments in the FAQ Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in
the Favorites drop-list on the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the
toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted properly. Closing & reopening IE
put the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So apparently
IE had some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value
under Favorites is not being recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


message Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After
following your instructions I create a folder in Favorites called
DelMe but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays put as the
last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous
install but the aliens ate the instructions so I'm out looking for a
solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled
"Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security
Settings for Favorites" should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions',
'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The
cursor should be in a textbox with the label 'Enter the object name
to select (examples)'. This is the textbox where you should enter
your user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog
labeled 'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny'
for the 'Set Value' permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a
dialog as a 'box', I didn't know it was going to be archived for
posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


message I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The
IE6 FAQ [1] has what appears to be a viable solution but as written
it is rfu. I hope somebody has figured this out. I'll even re-write
the corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't
know how to respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it
turns out the FAQ is not a blog where comments for corrections can be
posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and
hope somebody can instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new
entries are added, you need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu
Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any
subfolders. Then, with the favorite key highlighted, click on Edit >
'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type your username in the
'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and
it will default to alpha sort. This will prevent the key from being
automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well.
But the registry key is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start
Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username
in the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value'
permissions to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and
thus no observable way to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort

 

[Keith Miller MVP]

You're welcome.


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

I deleted everything including the Favorites key. Recreated the Favorites key and using your
earlier instructions denied Set Value and Create SubKey permissions. Success! Thank you for hanging
in there.

<%= Clinton

Each 'Order' value holds the sort order for the folder corresponding to the key which contains
that 'Order' value. So the value you found would only affect its folder.

You can delete all the subkeys of Favorites (or delete & recreate Favorites itself) then deny
both 'Set Value' and 'Create Subkey' permissions -- this should keep the registry cleaner.

I do see the fluke in the TEMPORARY sorting of newly created folders in the drop-menu and don't
know a fix for that. It doesn't seem to affect the favorites pane, nor does it affect
newly-added sites, they are sorted properly immediately.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]

Correction. I did not drill down deep enough. The order has in fact reappeared deep into the
listed folder hierarchy of the Favorites key but it does not appear for the Favorite key itself.

I checked the Advanced Security Settings > Permission tab entry and it is marked "Deny" for my
user name.

<%= Clinton



Well not for me and this is a new install which is why I'm trying to set it all up again.
There's not much you can do at this point and I appreciate your clarification of the comments
in the FAQ Keith.

<%= Clinton

I created a test folder and it did originally have a weird placement in the Favorites drop-list
on the menu. Opening the Favorites pane via the toolbar showed the folder auto-sorted
properly. Closing & reopening IE put the folder in its correct position in the drop-list. So
apparently IE had some sort order in memory. But as long as the 'Order' value under Favorites
is not being recreated, Favorites will alpha-sort.

--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


Thanks for showing up Keith. Your method sounded right on. After following your instructions
I create a folder in Favorites called DelMe but it still doesn't sort alphabetically -- stays
put as the last folder.

I found and implementing a slightly different method on a previous install but the aliens ate
the instructions so I'm out looking for a solution again.

<%= Clinton

I'm right here

You get "Permissions for Favorites" dialog, with a single tab labeled "Security", right?

Click the "Advanced" button, a second dialog, "Advanced Security Settings for Favorites"
should appear with four tabs: 'Permissions', 'Auditing', 'Owner', 'Effective Permissions'.

On the 'Permissions' tab, click the 'Add...' button.

A third dialog should appear, labeled 'Select User or Group'. The cursor should be in a
textbox with the label 'Enter the object name to select (examples)'. This is the textbox
where you should enter your user name & then click 'OK'. That should launch a final dialog
labeled 'Permission Entry for Favorites' when you can check 'Deny' for the 'Set Value'
permission.

Sorry for the shorthand in my original post where I referred to a dialog as a 'box', I
didn't know it was going to be archived for posterity


--
Good Luck,

Keith
Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]


I want a configuration that will sort Favorites automatically. The IE6 FAQ [1] has what
appears to be a viable solution but as written it is rfu. I hope somebody has figured this
out. I'll even re-write the corrected instruction lucidly and -- correctly -- but I don't
know how to respond to the mistaken instructions in the FAQ and as it turns out the FAQ is
not a blog where comments for corrections can be posted.

As this FAQ item is rather short I'll recreate it here verbatim and hope somebody can
instruct me correctly...

<START />

Sorting the Favorites automatically "on-the-fly" - Windows XP

Thanks to Keith Miller for this tip [in the Windows XP Newsgroup]

If you want the Favorites to automatically alpha-sort even as new entries are added, you
need a registry edit. Navigate to:

[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Menu Order\Favorites]

Delete the value named 'Order'. Also delete this value for any subfolders. Then, with the
favorite key highlighted, click on Edit > 'Permissions...' -> 'Advanced' -> 'Add' -> type
your username in the 'Select User or Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to
yourself. This will prevent IE from recreating the 'order' value and it will default to
alpha sort. This will prevent the key from being automatically recreated.

The same technique works for Windows XP Start Menu Programs as well. But the registry key
is different in that case.

For XP Start menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs]

For Classic Start Menu:
[HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs]

<END />

Okay, the instructions break down when stating "type your username in the 'Select User or
Group Box' and then deny 'Set Value' permissions to yourself."

On my XP Pro SP2 machine there is no such label for any textbox and thus no observable way
to set value permissions for myself.

Does anybody have a correct instruction?

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

[1] http://windowsxp.mvps.org/IEFAQ.htm#sort