"Half Water Half Gas"

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I wouldn't make a very good troll, I'm 6'0" 185lbs. but I know a few people
who could pass for trolls.

Jeff
PS But ugly, now that's another story.
 
dadiOH said:
OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half
gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to
break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and
oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel
cell.

I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of
a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient
for the task?

It takes more energy to seperate water into H2 and O2 than you can
recover from the combustion of the gases. Ergo you have lost the money
you paid the scammer, AND you buy more gasoline to run the electolysis
system. You lose and lose.
 
Graham said:
This is correct - they electrolyse water to produce a mixture of oxygen and
hydrogen. The amount produced is small and is not intended to act as a fuel.
It only uses about 0.25% of the engines output.

There was a lot of research done by universities and other organizations
some 20 years ago, including NASA's Jet proplusion lab, that showed that
injection of small amounts of hydrogen into an internal combustion engine
along with regular fuel/air mixture would improve the efficiency of
combustion. What this means, is that the normal fuel is used more
efficiently and less unburned fuel leaves the exhaust as unburned CO and
hydrocarbons. But, the improvement in gas mileage was only about 10% and at
most 20% could be envisaged. Back then when fuel was cheap, it was just not
worth the effort.

But now with fuel prices through the roof, some scam artists have picked up
the idea and are selling books or kits making this sound like some sort of
miracle.

One problem, is that most modern cars have computers that control the fuel
mixture. Those oxygen sensors in the exhaust provide the input. A device is
needed to trick the computer into not doing it's job if the hydrogen
injection is to work. I would not do it on a newer car, but it would be
interesting on an old beater.

But, trucking companies are using a commercial device to save energy using
same technology - It works just as well on diesel engines. More info here:
http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm

Graham

Example testimonial from the site you provided.

"After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45%
increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit
installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was
15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg."

There is something pretty bogus there.
 
With a response like that, what do you think YOU are?
This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
Can anybody help me?????
Jeff

No... because only a moron would wonder about that, so you're a moron.
 
(snip)

Example testimonial from the site you provided.

"After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45%
increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit
installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was
15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg."

There is something pretty bogus there.
Sounds like he/she measured the 22 mpg performance coming down a long
slope, like from the top of Pike's Peak. I can do this with my Jeep
Liberty, using its overhead console mpg indicator. If I'm coming down
a long slope and take my foot off the accelerator pedal it will show
upward of 50 mpg...as long as the fairly steep portion of the downhill
slope lasts. Gordon
 
I asked because there is a specific type of newsgroup troll who's pastime it
is to introduce OT topics into the groups, and then, when it looks like that
OT topic is wearing out, pulls a quick one and *changes* the OT thread to
yet another OT topic, which is what you just did.

Think about it. Do you really want to get labeled a Troll? It's a label that
sticks and causes most serious participants of NGs to ignore or even block
you. Which I'm seriously considering in your case. Then the only people who
respond to your posts are those who generally prefer engaging in OT stuff
because they really don't know much about Windows. What kind of response do
you think you'll get to a real Windows question that you might have in the
future from such people?
 
from an engineering standpoint BOGUS

the elctrolysis of water is not 100% efficient, the best catalysts provide
~85% efficiency.

Why burn hydrocarbons in a ~40% efficient engine, to produce electricity in
an ~85% efficent alternator the electrolyse water in an 85% efficient cell

40% * 85% * 85% = 28.9% efficent to generate hydrogen in a motor vehicle
has to increase engine output by 245% (1/28.9%) of the energy output of
the generated hydrogen generated to break even

thats 15 mpg to somewhere in the range of 50mpg
I am not wearing my calculator hat

From a solar panel this miniscule efficiency, is acceptible, its raining
soup, all the energy recovered is in essentially free once the panel is in
place.
If the process of adding hydrogen to the fuel mix is good, produce the
hydrogen renewably, from a solar panel, wind generator, and put it in a
cylinder

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Bob I said:
Example testimonial from the site you provided.

"After refueling and calculating the milage I realized a 45%
increase in the miles pre gallon with the hydrogen fuel injection unit
installed in this pickup. The best MPG realized before the HFI unit was
15mpg. After the 200 mile drive I realized 22mpg."

There is something pretty bogus there.

I would not believe the non-scientific data from individual users - People
that use these devices WANT to justify them.

The truckin companies that buy/lease the HFI units would be the best source
of real-world data. Presumably HFI would not stay in business long if the
technology did not save the truckers money.

There are many discussions about HHO and hydrogen injection on the web. This
MS forum is probably not the place for it. Bye for now ;)
 
Gary,
I'm sorry, please don't label me a "Troll". If I changed the thread, I
didn't mean to, but I was thinking " boy what have I got started". I won't
ask anymore non-computer questions.
Once in a while I do have a legitamate computer question,I would hate not
to be able to get answers from you techs.
Again, I'm sorry!

I learned my lesson,

Jeff
 
Good enough. Sorry if I was blunt but I thought you could use the lesson.
 

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