"Half Water Half Gas"

[Jeff T.]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
Can anybody help me?????
Jeff

 

[Antares 531]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
Can anybody help me?????
Jeff

Are you talkin' bout your flatus?

 

[Bruce Hagen]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
Can anybody help me?????
Jeff

That's called the "Hershey Squirts".

 

[Galen Somerville]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
Can anybody help me?????
Jeff

If it worked, don't you think we would have been using it?

I fisrt heard about in the waning years of World War II

Galen

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

When your topic has nothing to do with the newsgroup topic, it is customary
to lead the Subject line with OT, as in "OT--"Half Water Half Gas"? But one
expects, at the very least, that it will have something to do with computers
and you've already tried an appropriate NG (if you can find one)... That
you've done some due diligence before bringing it to a group that deals
specifically with Windows XP.

In this case, you shouldn't have posted, period. There isn't even a hint of
"belonging" in this NG. You should have instead used a Search Engine like
Google.
http://www.google.com/search?q="half+water+half+gas"

100,000+ returns should keep you busy learning. But the entire discussion is
one that doesn't belong here.

 

[Jeff T.]

God , I never even thought of that. You're right!
Jeff

 

[Jeff T.]

Sorry, Gary. I knew better, you guys have helped though.
I did google it and all I could find were articles that looked like they
were from the same company.
Thanks,

Jeff

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

What the heck did you Google? Even without the enclosing double-quotes, it
comes up with all kinds of different hits. Well over a million. They can't
ALL be from the same company.

What makes you think anyone here knows any more about it? And if they do, or
say they do, what's to tell you that any of the answers are even near
correct -- unless you check them out for yourself?

But I will give you one hint about such technological claims: If they're
scams, there will be plenty of people out there saying so, including people
with credentials you can check. Or sites dedicated to disproving them,
including government sites, sometimes. Or do this:
http://www.google.com/search?q="half+water+half+gas"+scam

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

OK, I gotta admit that no matter how you phrase it, even with the word
keyword "scam". But you should read a LOT of those sites. They are excellent
examples of how to scam people. Even call yourself a scam and then
"disprove" it.

Hershey Squirts, properly collected and processed, would run an engine
better than half water half gas.

 

[Jeff T.]

Thanks Gary,
We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything and
make sure it won't ruin the car.
I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately doesn't work.
Jeff

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

So, you got through all 100,000 hits, did ya? NO!!!! It's a total hoax, and
a well developed one, at that. Investigate each of those sites. There is not
one that is reputable, that reviews other technologies, etc., They all exist
for one purpose -- to fake you into believing the claim is true.

Believe me, if it was true, we'd all be using it. Not as if it's a secret.

 

[Chuck]

No Way!
Under LIMITED circumstances, water injection (usually water & alcohol) can
help reduce knock. The vaporizing water helps cool, and the expansion to
steam helps make up for the loss of power. (just a bit!)
Other than that, water in the fuel is nothing but trouble!
Why do you think that some light planes have water drains in the fuel tanks
and what is called a gascolator.
(Fancy fuel filter & water seperator)

 

[Paul Montgomery]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
 Can anybody help me?????
                              Jeff

No... because only a moron would wonder about that, so you're a moron.

 

[Jeff T.]

Thanks, Gary and Chuck
Jeff (the moron)

No Way!
Under LIMITED circumstances, water injection (usually water & alcohol) can
help reduce knock. The vaporizing water helps cool, and the expansion to
steam helps make up for the loss of power. (just a bit!)
Other than that, water in the fuel is nothing but trouble!
Why do you think that some light planes have water drains in the fuel
tanks and what is called a gascolator.
(Fancy fuel filter & water seperator)

 

[Antares 531]

This has nothing to do with windows XP but I was just wondering if this
thing works, Half Water Half Gas.
Can anybody help me?????
Jeff

Seriously, Jeff, if this would work as claimed, China would be all
over it like ugly on a goat. Since China nor any other country is
pushing this as a means of lessening the impact of high fuel costs, we
can rationally assume that it is a bunch of hooey. Gordon

 

[Jeff T.]

Thanks,Gordon I guess you're right but do you really think goats are ugly? I
bet the mommy goat doesn't think so.

Jeff

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Goats aren't ugly. Trolls are ugly. Why are you practicing to be a troll?

 

[dadiOH]

Thanks Gary,
We're going to check with a local mechanic before we do anything
and make sure it won't ruin the car.
I can't find anything saying that this is a scam or definately
doesn't
work. Jeff

It's a scam.

It doesn't work.

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dadiOH
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[dadiOH]

It's a scam.

It doesn't work.

OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half
gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to
break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and
oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel
cell.

I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of
a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient
for the task?

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dadiOH
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[Graham]

OK, they aren't talking about filling the tank with half water/half
gasoline, they are talking about using electricity generated by the motor to
break down a small (1 quart), separate container of water into hydrogen and
oxygen and injecting those gases. Electrolysis. Sort of a reverse fuel
cell.

I suppose that could work but how much hydrogen & oxygen can you get out of
a quart of water and is the electricity put out by the generator sufficient
for the task?

dadiOH

This is correct - they electrolyse water to produce a mixture of oxygen and
hydrogen. The amount produced is small and is not intended to act as a fuel.
It only uses about 0.25% of the engines output.

There was a lot of research done by universities and other organizations
some 20 years ago, including NASA's Jet proplusion lab, that showed that
injection of small amounts of hydrogen into an internal combustion engine
along with regular fuel/air mixture would improve the efficiency of
combustion. What this means, is that the normal fuel is used more
efficiently and less unburned fuel leaves the exhaust as unburned CO and
hydrocarbons. But, the improvement in gas mileage was only about 10% and at
most 20% could be envisaged. Back then when fuel was cheap, it was just not
worth the effort.

But now with fuel prices through the roof, some scam artists have picked up
the idea and are selling books or kits making this sound like some sort of
miracle.

One problem, is that most modern cars have computers that control the fuel
mixture. Those oxygen sensors in the exhaust provide the input. A device is
needed to trick the computer into not doing it's job if the hydrogen
injection is to work. I would not do it on a newer car, but it would be
interesting on an old beater.

But, trucking companies are using a commercial device to save energy using
same technology - It works just as well on diesel engines. More info here:
http://www.chechfi.ca/sohfitech.htm

Graham