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They are all as bad as each other to be honest. They sell out their parties fundamental viewpoints just to get into power and then they dont carry out their manifesto promises anyway. Its no wonder people dont like politicians! Lying swines the lot of them.
 
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i agree to some extent bodhi

10 Labour election lies - Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk

Lie 1: Warning: "The Tories will cut £35bn from public services" (Labour poster).

The truth: Oliver Letwin, the Shadow Chancellor, has said that the Tories would spend £35 billion per year less than Labour by 2011-12. However, it is completely inaccurate to describe this plan as a "cut". The difference between the two parties is over the extent of the projected increase in public expenditure over the next six years. The Tories say they would spend £664 billion in 2011-12 compared to Labour's projected £699 billion. Labour has mendaciously presented this gap as a slash in public spending, when both parties agree that they will spend more on frontline services.

• Lie 2: Warning: "The Tories will bring in charges for hospital operations" (Labour poster).

The truth: Under the Conservatives, no one will be charged for NHS treatment. Their "Right to Choose" policy would give patients the freedom to choose to be treated without charge in any NHS hospital, or any private hospital that can provide treatment at the NHS tariff.

• Lie 3: "Two undeniable facts: 2.7 million more pensioner households will get money with Labour's plans but would get nothing under the Tories; when we compare the policies we find that 3.7 million pensioner households will get more from Labour than from the Tories" (Alan Johnson, Labour press release, March 17).

The truth: The Conservatives will match Labour's one-off £200 for pensioners, so no one loses. They will also cut pensioners' council tax bills by up to £500 a year. Households where the adults are 65 or over will get a 50 per cent reduction in their council tax bill. A typical single pensioner in a Band D property will get a reduction of £438 a year and a typical couple will benefit by £500 a year.

• Lie 4: "The Tories claim that they will use £1 billion from savings in local government inspection to pay for today's pledge on council tax" (John Prescott, Labour press release, February 21, 2005).

The truth: The money does not come from savings in local government. It comes from savings clearly identified, which are set out in the Conservatives' "Value for Money Action Plan".

• Lie 5: "Scrapping the New Deal and cutting Jobcentre Plus is not an efficiency saving - it is a cut that would mean an extra 300,000 people on benefit by the fourth year of a Tory government" (Gordon Brown, economic briefing, January 20, 2005).

The truth: The fall in unemployment is not the result of the New Deal - it started falling before Labour took over. In fact, the New Deal has cost £5 billion but only 37 per cent of young people, and just 23 per cent of the over 25s, have found sustained work through the scheme.

• Lie 6: Rhodri Morgan, the Welsh First Minister, claimed that the Conservatives "would cut the block grant from Whitehall to Wales, given by the Treasury to the National Assembly". The claims were made during the launch of Labour's Welsh manifesto on Thursday April 14.

The truth: Bill Wiggin, the Tories' shadow Welsh secretary, said: "Mr Morgan's claim that we would cut the block grant is simply not true."

• Lie 7: On April 18 a letter signed by the Labour deputy leader John Prescott claimed that the party pledged to cut hospital waiting times to 18 weeks was sent out across Scotland.

The truth: Scottish waiting time targets are 36 weeks. The letter failed to mention that the 18-week target was for England only.

• Lie 8: "Interest rates halved with Labour" (Labour poster).

The truth: The bank base rate in May 1997 when the Conservatives were last in office was 6.25 per cent. The current figure is 4.75 per cent, a fall of around a quarter, not a half.


• Lie 9: The Scottish Labour website stated on April 3 that "Scottish Labour has ensured that no full-time undergraduate student has to pay up-front tuition fees in Scotland".

The truth: Full-time undergraduate students have to pay up-front tuition fees in Scotland unless they are Scottish domiciled.

• Lie 10: Hilary Benn and other Labour officials have repeatedly stated that the Tories "would cut £800 million from the international development budget". The claim still appears today on the Labour Party website.

The truth: The Conservatives plan to increase spending on the Department for International Development (DFID) by £800 million over three years, from £4.5 billion in 2005-06 to £5.3 billion in 2007-08. That is, measure for measure, exactly the same as the figures announced by the Government.
 

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bodhi said:
They are all as bad as each other to be honest. They sell out their parties fundamental viewpoints just to get into power and then they dont carry out their manifesto promises anyway. Its no wonder people dont like politicians! Lying swines the lot of them.

I agree with that 100%

I used to be passionate about politics but I've finally come to realise the majority of MP's are rotten to the core.

So, it don't matter, really, whoever's in will fool you and control you.
 
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Nope, hey but the way i go i should be! lol
No, that was all from the telegraph newspaper, just want people to see through the spin to the truth!

floppybootstomp, i think saying that most MPs are rotten to the core is a bit strong. and besides until we get PR in this country, we are stuck with them, so you have to pick the best of a bad bunch i suppose.

TRUTH1.bmp
 

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OK, let me try and think of some MP's with integrity....

Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Michael Heseltine,

um, um......

And if you believe anything the Daily Telegraph says is gospel, well....

What next? Quoting The Daily Mail?
 
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No i dont believe everything in the telegraph is gospel! But as someone who has read the manifesto, i know that these ten lies listed are genuine labour lies.
 

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PETE5555 said:
No i dont believe everything in the telegraph is gospel! But as someone who has read the manifesto, i know that these ten lies listed are genuine labour lies.

I can't be bothered to do it (for reasons stated in earlier posts here) but I dare say if you studied the Torie's claims about the Labour Party, you'd likely find a similar number of untruths & falsehoods.

Politics is a dirty game played by a bunch of con men, seems to me.

Once you favour one party, it is very very easy to convince yourself they're right about everything. It takes a little more inner strength to view the bigger picture objectively ;)
 

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floppybootstomp said:
Once you favour one party, it is very very easy to convince yourself they're right about everything. It takes a little more inner strength to view the bigger picture objectively ;)

I'll second that! :D
 
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No i would not want to seem tied to the conservatives, this is my first chance to vote, and i come from a labour background. I just read all 3 manifestos (well bits of them) and i chose the conservatives to be the best. I found the Labour manifesto to be short on policy to be honest, it was more about what they have done, and what would happen if the 'other lot' got in. The Lib Dem one also had some good ideas.
 

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PETE5555 said:
No i would not want to seem tied to the conservatives, this is my first chance to vote, and i come from a labour background. I just read all 3 manifestos (well bits of them) and i chose the conservatives to be the best. I found the Labour manifesto to be short on policy to be honest, it was more about what they have done, and what would happen if the 'other lot' got in. The Lib Dem one also had some good ideas.

Fair comment.
 
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gosh so much election talk
its making me sick!!!!!!

even on pcr!

im off for a drink!!!!!!!
a cold one at that!

cheeeeeeeers
 
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psd99 said:
gosh so much election talk
its making me sick!!!!!!

even on pcr!

im off for a drink!!!!!!!
a cold one at that!

cheeeeeeeers

Haha, i got to OZ over 2 weeks ago and have drank every day ive been here. Even realised one day that i'd been 48 hours without a soft drink..................whoops!!
 
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hahaha bodhi good to hear that ur enjoying urself

your not missing much here in uk except the election!
and Liverpool vs Chelsea tomorow nite! cant wait!
 
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I was interested in the lib dems... but then i read in the sun that they want to lower the age for appearing in porn to 16. Thats just weird
 
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The sun would love that...

Why would they want to do that? soon it would be 10 years old
 
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You know one thing that really tees me off is the amount it costs me to fill up my car. :mad:

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Can you imagine what this is like now the price has gone up even more, yet they don’t put a penny of tax on aviation fuel!


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Only 24 hours to go before regime change! lol
 
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Sexy Bex said:
I have to admit, the LibDems have my vote this time. I feel very sorry for Tony Blair - he's had a rough time of things recently, but having watched my parents suffer from the extreme stress and worry of running a private nursing home under Labour rule has really turned me off them. The place I come from (Dorset) is very much a Conservative area (Oliver Letwin), but I couldn't vote for them after Michael Howards performance during this election. I like some of the Conservative ideas, but I couldn't vote for anyone who leads a campaign by slating everyone else - it's childish, and I wouldn't want someone like that running this country!
To be honest, I think Labour will win, but I'd be glad to see the Tories and LibDems swap places - and I hope Gordon Brown takes the lead eventually (but being an economist, I'm bound to say that! ;))

Seems we have a couple of things in common Sexy...I posted earlier in this thread to say I was voting Lib Dem...and i too am an economist - my undergrad degree is in economics. Great minds think alike!:D
 

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christopherpostill said:
I was interested in the lib dems... but then i read in the sun that they want to lower the age for appearing in porn to 16. Thats just weird

Hang on, you read that in The Sun? And you believed it?

Again, I despair, I really do.

Is that all it takes? One sensationalistic lie?

Sad.
 

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1nteger said:
Seems we have a couple of things in common Sexy...I posted earlier in this thread to say I was voting Lib Dem...and i too am an economist - my undergrad degree is in economics. Great minds think alike!:D

Indeed they do ;)

Glad to see I have a fellow economist here! :)
 

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