*FYI* list of apps that do *NOT* work with xp sp 2

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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242


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[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

FYI, your subject title is very misleading and 100% false!
Did you bother to read the article at all?

"After you install Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2),
some programs "may seem" not to work. By default, Windows Firewall
is enabled and blocks unsolicited connections to your computer.

The article discusses how to make an exception and enable a program
to run by adding it to the list of exceptions. This procedure permits the
program to work as it did before the service pack was installed."

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Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

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[*ProteanThread*]

FYI, your subject title is very misleading and 100% false!
Did you bother to read the article at all?

Yes, I read the article and no,it is not misleading. It's "baiting" A
technique used by many newspapers and news organizations. The only way to
get many people to read the article was a simple "bait" Its an important KB
article and should not be overlooked either before or after install of SP 2.

 

[Dan Smith]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242

SP2 will break systems and previous software setups. Now after everyone
got through the SP1 problems with breaks, MS will do this again, and
also make it impossible to update ones system without having the system
hogging SP2.

 

[Rock]

SP2 will break systems and previous software setups. Now after everyone
got through the SP1 problems with breaks, MS will do this again, and
also make it impossible to update ones system without having the system
hogging SP2.

SP2's security center just popped up another *idiot* alert.

 

[Dan Smith]

SP2's security center just popped up another *idiot* alert.

Really, did it not recommend to you to turn off your PC for good, to
protect you from yourself? Hmm, SP2 must be buggy!

 

[SlowJet]

I think the SP2 Security Center needs more alerts:


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Yes, I read the article and no,it is not misleading. It's "baiting" A
technique used by many newspapers and news

organizations. The only way to

 

[Rock]

Really, did it not recommend to you to turn off your PC for good, to
protect you from yourself? Hmm, SP2 must be buggy!

Nope it does a good job of alerting to *idiot posts* like yours --
"system hogging SP2" how so? substantiate that. I have done the
upgrade several times, no problems. Have a complete system image, do
your homework with software vendors, follow safe precautions prior to
intalling the SP. Some systems will have problems after the upgrade,
many can be fixed with minor adjustments. Some issues will be harder
due to home built application compatibility. There is no way any
softwae package works on all systems flawlessly. Your statements are
without real substance or merit.

Of course

 

[Chad Harris]

SP2 *isn't breaking most apps.* There are some apps that need updates to
SP2. If you install it and an app isn't working, hit the site and see if it
has an update to SP2. It's the responsibility of these companies to update
to service packs, and to pick up the phone, Live Meeting, or their
Gulfstream and get with MSFT to iron out problems.

These companies haven't been under a rock or on another planet. They know
about the service pack, and most of their code heads and many of their
personnel Beta tested SP2. Lots of their sales personnel do because they
are interested in the software. I'm not talking about the situation where
businesses have special apps to fill special needs where testing may take
some time and careful work and several months. I'm talking about run of the
mill apps 3rd party apps that come in boxes or downloads that cost from
$29-$150 that someome gets for home or a small business.


So they've known SP2 was coming for nearly a year. They have had plenty
of time to update. The stork didn't just drop SP2 down their chimney on
August 10, 2004.

Some of them may be stubborn; some may be lazy. Many like crazy Norton
want to prod people to buy the newest yellow box. They want to call
anything that's not 2005 obsolete when they have made very minimal changes
to their bloated, oversized for what it produces application since 2002,
and a couple months after that yellow box is out, they will want to call it
obsolete. And it will continue to be somewhat buggy as long as they
Symantec makes it.

So far I have had one app--Norton that has some pretty minor problems and
has a patch but has chosen a stupid delivery method for its
patch--delivering it via the very component that breaks with SP2 instead of
putting it on it's site with it's other 50,000 byzantine web pages.

Another--had an update, and since I use it every day I decided it might
help to get the update. The update for SP2 was a batch file that configures
the Windows Firewall to let its components through.

SP2 is hardly the monumental problem some people seem to be making of it.


Chad Harris

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242

SP2 will break systems and previous software setups. Now after everyone
got through the SP1 problems with breaks, MS will do this again, and
also make it impossible to update ones system without having the system
hogging SP2.

 

[Micosoft Preferred Customer]

Whether we like it or not SP2 is here and will remain on our systems forever. Now is the time to discuss positives. I shall start by saying that MS should be congratulated for simplifying the setup of WI-FI networks.

At present (SP1 and before) you configure the main access point or wireless router and then go to every client PC individually. In SP2, you have a wizard which allows you to do only once, and there is the option of leaving the wizard to come up with suitable WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy) or WI-FI protected Access (WPA) encryption keys.

These keys and other settings can then be saved on a USB Flash Drive together with software to configue other devices. You just have to plug this into other client PCs, wireless routers and access points for the settings to be transferred automatically. If Access points and Routers don't have a USB port then you should complain to whoever supplied you with that useless toy!!! It is not for Microsoft to solve this for you!!.

Microsoft should now start advertising this less publicised major improvement to Wireless Networking since 9/11!!!. Forget about desktop security. Also forget about antivirus and other enhancements. We should all be talking about WI-FI as it is with us in the 21st century!!! there is no place for whingers on this planet!!

Those who don't like SP2 can continue using their current version (of course without any further security patches) or go for cut-down version of XP which will come to market next year in less developed countries like Thailand, Phllipines etc etc. You might have to export/import it illegally from those countries!!

So there you have it. WI-FI is what you should all be discussing now. Forget about what SP2 can't do for you; talk about what it can do for you.

Can I now be Microsoft's representative in the UK please?

 

[steven]

According to Microsoft, it causes a lot of problems
with MS applications.

Such as 3 different versions of Outlook and Visual
Studio products.

Steve

 

[Ben Stevenson]

I already have a firewall from Kerio. Now there will be two firewalls. Will
that be OK? Or do we have to get rid of one of them.
Thanks

 

[RJ]

Turn off the Windows Firewall. If you are already using a third party
Firewall, and that Firewall provides 2 way protection (inbound and outbound),
the Windows Firewall is unnecessary, and will no doubt
cause you problems if left turned on.

Go into Control Panel, Windows Security Center and turn it off.

 

[Ken Blake]

In

I already have a firewall from Kerio. Now there will be two
firewalls.
Will that be OK? Or do we have to get rid of one of them.

You'll find those with different points on view on this. Here's
mine: don't run two firewalls. You achieve no extra protection,
you incur the extra overhead of running two firewalls, and you
run the risk (probably small, but not zero) of conflicts between
them.

The Windows firewall monitors incoming traffic only. Almost any
third-party firewall will also monitor outbound traffic, stopping
rogue programs trying to call home, and is a better choice. Stick
with just Kerio.

 

[SlowJet]

lol, I'm running two Fw's and my 3rd party fw is in the
exception list.
Works just fine.
The Windows Firewall protects during early start up stage
and only allows dchp to ISP. On my enternal nic it set up
the common ports for me, like file and print sharing,
remote desk, wim mang, 1nd 1900 which should take care of
a lot things automagically.

It's the zeros, guys. Get a new gig.

SJ

 

[Chad Harris]

Steven--

I've seen pretty much everything that's according to MSFT with SP2, and
the third parties who will post information, and the Outlook KBs and other
Outlook pages from MSFT/groups. I don't see "a lot of problems", and most
of them can be overcome quickly. Not everyone is having every problem that
is potential on the lists, and a substantial amount have to do with
configuring the firewall exception tab for particular apps. I'd appreciate
documentation on "a lot of problems with MS Applications," and Outlook
because they haven't been showing up a lot on the Outlook groups. There are
2 or 3 KBs on Outllook and SP2, and how to fix the problems, but that's par
for the course with any service pack. There are a number of problems with
XP RTM, and SP1 and the OS's before it.

What I have seen is 3rd party dragging it's sofware and being less than
clear on some of their websites about what is or is not needed to be SP2
compatible.

Chad Harris


According to Microsoft, it causes a lot of problems
with MS applications.

Such as 3 different versions of Outlook and Visual
Studio products.

Steve

 

[steven]

Steven--

I've seen pretty much everything that's according to MSFT with SP2, and
the third parties who will post information, and the Outlook KBs and other
Outlook pages from MSFT/groups. I don't see "a lot of problems", and most
of them can be overcome quickly. Not everyone is having every problem that
is potential on the lists, and a substantial amount have to do with
configuring the firewall exception tab for particular apps. I'd appreciate
documentation on "a lot of problems with MS Applications," and Outlook
because they haven't been showing up a lot on the Outlook groups. There are
2 or 3 KBs on Outllook and SP2, and how to fix the problems, but that's par
for the course with any service pack. There are a number of problems with
XP RTM, and SP1 and the OS's before it.

What I have seen is 3rd party dragging it's sofware and being less than
clear on some of their websites about what is or is not needed to be SP2
compatible.

Chad Harris

According to MS, other Microsoft applications that may not work
correctly with SP2 include Microsoft Operations Manager 2000 and
Systems Management Server 2003.

MS says there are about 50 products that do not work with SP2.
But I have also read the number can be as high as 200, so far,
according to Newsfactor. Which can be accessed via Yahoo!
It is in the business news section.

Steven

 

[Edward W. Thompson]

There seems to a number of people who get their 'kicks' from trying to
discredited Microsoft. They are a pathetic bunch. However, Microsoft
doesn't do itself any favours. I enquired to Eset why NOD32 is on the MS
list as being a program that may not operate correctly with SP2. Apparently
is is because the current build of NOD32 (an AVP) will not be recognized by
the MS Security Center in SP2. Eset will issue an update in two weeks I am
told. Now why MS listed NOD32, and I assume other programs, as 'may' give
rise to problems in SP2 if the 'so called problems' are as trivial as that I
really don't know. It just gives fuel to their detractors.

 

[Ben Stevenson]

Thanks for the good advise.

Turn off the Windows Firewall. If you are already using a third party
Firewall, and that Firewall provides 2 way protection (inbound and outbound),
the Windows Firewall is unnecessary, and will no doubt
cause you problems if left turned on.

Go into Control Panel, Windows Security Center and turn it off.

 

[Ben Stevenson]

Thanks. I agree with you. I haven't installed SP2 yet. There's quite a bit
of flak about it at the present, so I thought I would wait awhile till
things settle down. It has quite a configuration problem too.