Freeware browser IE and Mozilla independent

[John Corliss]

Yet people are quite happy to mention:
AVG 6
Kerio Personal Firewall
without being lambasted..both of which are actually CRIPPLEWARE and
therefore not freeware in the true sense.

Crippleware is software that has vital features disabled. This is not
the case with either of those programs and in fact, Kerio 2.1.5 isn't
disabled at all. That's the version I always recommend.

 

[Conor]

No, because adware is NOT freeware. Period. What the problem with
that? It's JMHO. 80)>

Crippleware isn't freeware either. GEDDIT? If you're going to complain
about adware being recommended then its only appropriate to complain
about crippleware otherwise you're just being a hypocrite.

 

[John Corliss]

From their site...

Basic user Interface only
Disabled Advanced Scheduling of Tests
Disabled Creating of Your Own Tests

Now compare that to stuff such as Mozilla where you get full
functionality.

I would actually say that AVG falls into the realm between liteware
and crippleware. Maybe even borders a little bit on nagware. You do
indeed have a valid point though, I won't dispute that.

 

[John Corliss]

Both of which JC himself says he uses IIRC.

Yes, but I use and recommend Kerio ver. 2.1.5, which has nothing disabled.

As for AVG, you all do have a valid point about that one. Kind of
falls into its own category of software.

 

[John Corliss]

No, because adware is NOT freeware. Period. What the problem with that?
It's JMHO. 80)>

That came off sounding a little hostile in spite of the smiley. Sorry.
What I meant to say was simply that I prefer not to use adware. And
that's simply because I think that worldwide, there's entirely too
much advertising and it degrades the quality of life for everybody.

 

[John Corliss]

Crippleware isn't freeware either. GEDDIT? If you're going to complain
about adware being recommended then its only appropriate to complain
about crippleware otherwise you're just being a hypocrite.

Heh. Now that I've taken down my version of the F.A.Q. and no longer
have to defend the definitions, I can be as hypocritical as I like.
I'm just a regular citizen here now. What I'm trying to say is that my
personal choices are simply that... personal.

 

[PuppyKatt]

What is crippled in Kerio?

--
Thou shalt not admit adultry.
: In article <[email protected]>, "*ProteanThread*"
: <rtdos hotmail com> says...
:
: > Both of which JC himself says he uses IIRC.
: >
: THe point of the argument is that the netkops on here are quoting the
: freeware charter whilst themselves being hypocrites by recommending
: crippleware.
:
:
: --
: Conor
:
: If you're not on somebody's shit list, you're not doing anything
: worthwhile.

 

[scroob]

Crippleware is software that has vital features disabled. This is not
the case with either of those programs and in fact, Kerio 2.1.5 isn't
disabled at all. That's the version I always recommend.

Agreed, John. Don't argue with him. He's accusing others of being netcops
when that's exactly what he is - niggling over terms and calling others
hypocrites. The killfile just got a little bigger.

 

[Conor]

Agreed, John. Don't argue with him. He's accusing others of being netcops
when that's exactly what he is - niggling over terms and calling others
hypocrites. The killfile just got a little bigger.

Oooohh..
Killfile user. What a waste of time.

 

[Conor]

What is crippled in Kerio?

Go to their site and see. On 4.x after 30 days alot of stuff is
disabled.

 

[MinMin]

John Corliss wrote:

That came off sounding a little hostile in spite of the smiley. Sorry.
What I meant to say was simply that I prefer not to use adware. And
that's simply because I think that worldwide, there's entirely too
much advertising and it degrades the quality of life for everybody.

John, just curious as to whether you have ANY software that you've had to
pay for...?!

But seriously, I would recommend you give Opera a try (after all, you
have let your very rigid stance slip a bit with AVG...!) I'm using
version 6.05 (I can't get v.7 to work properly, but I don't blame it - my
poor W98 system is overloaded with all sorts of software I use or have
been going to get around to testing for the last five years!), and I can
only describe it as brilliant - by far the quickest at navigating through
pages I've seen, especially backwards.

So to go back to the original post, I would also recommend Opera, even
though it's a bit OT. OffByOne is the only one not OT that I can think
of (I've previously posted the link).

 

[Derald]

What's a freeware browser that doesn't rely on IE or Mozilla?

There are none. "Free" Opera, aside from being seriously
incompetent, is not free. Opera is adware.

 

[Derald]

But I should add that the program has been recommended in this group
for a long time, regardless of the fact that it's adware. Personally,
I refuse to try it because of the ad(s). YMMV.

Well, FWIW, I tried an earlier pre-adware version of Opera in both
its 16-bit and its 32-bit iterations and found it to be clumsy, poorly
designed and unstable on 16-bit and 32-bit Windows platforms. Unless it
has been seriously and majorly redesigned since its early days, future
versions, simply are efforts to gild a turd.

 

[Derald]

both of which are actually CRIPPLEWARE and
therefore not freeware in the true sense.

Sorry, "C", but you simply just do not know what you're talking
about.

 

[Christopher Jahn]

From their site...

Basic user Interface only
Disabled Advanced Scheduling of Tests
Disabled Creating of Your Own Tests

Now compare that to stuff such as Mozilla where you get
full functionality.

I would call it "lite", not crippleware. The lack of advanced
features in no way diminishes its primary function.

--
Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Any cat that behaves like a dog is welcome in my universe.
(Jonathan Carroll)

 

[Conor]

Sorry, "C", but you simply just do not know what you're talking
about.

REally? I guess 21 years of computing experience counts for nothing
then.

 

[Conor]

I would call it "lite", not crippleware. The lack of advanced
features in no way diminishes its primary function.

Shift the goalposts as much as you want. The fact is you're not getting
full functionality and in the case of Kerio 4.x, you lose alot of
important features.

 

[Christopher Jahn]

Shift the goalposts as much as you want. The fact is you're
not getting full functionality

It does what it is designed to do: protects against virus
infections. The advanced features do not actually expand on
that. I haven't shifted the goalpost an inch. AVG free
version is a free AV program that fully functions to keep your
system virus free. You want to tinker with that, you can
upgrade.

and in the case of Kerio
4.x, you lose alot of important features.

Never having used it, I have purposefully removed references
from my post.
It's dishonest to of you to use it as a rebuttal of a
different program.



--
Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Happiness is mandatory. Are you happy?

 

[Conor]

It does what it is designed to do: protects against virus
infections. The advanced features do not actually expand on
that. I haven't shifted the goalpost an inch. AVG free
version is a free AV program that fully functions to keep your
system virus free. You want to tinker with that, you can
upgrade.


Never having used it, I have purposefully removed references
from my post.
It's dishonest to of you to use it as a rebuttal of a
different program.

Why? I am explaining a point that like, AVG it is crippled. Just
because you may not view a disabled feature as necessary it doesn't
mean someone else doesn't.

 

[weallhatebillgates]

Button bashing in practice for another round of Daley Thompson's

Shift the goalposts as much as you want. The fact is you're not getting
full functionality and in the case of Kerio 4.x, you lose alot of
important features.

XP Home/Professional?
You're getting a FREE ANTIVIRUS CHECKER. You are not being asked to pay
for extras in much the same way as you get steel wheels on a car if you
don't pay for alloys. The extra money is to buy a bigger goal, not move
it.