FREE Mailwasher Once Again.....

[Heather]

You didn't do anything wrong Heather. Carey is an egomaniacal idiot who
lacks the most basic respect for others and apparently thinks he owns MS
NGs by virtue of his ill-deserved MVP title.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I've been using MW 2.0 for years and it's
good to know a new version is free again.

Hi Steve.....

Thank you for your reply. I have only had XP for about 6 weeks (new
computer) but was on the WinME ng's for years. I haven't had time to
isolate the egomaniacs and idiots so far, but I would say he is #1 on the
List. (G)

I think MW is an amazing program and I used it for a long time.

Hmmm, a brilliant thought here. The MVP designation is renewable each year.
Care to take any bets on who might not (and should not) be one next year?

Cheers.....Heather

 

[Ian Anderson]

I don't believe the program works as you suggest
since you have used it to SPAM several Microsoft
newsgroups! Very poor advertising on your part!

I don't regard the original post as "SPAM" because it was a useful
post promoting free software which others may appreciate. And it was 5
newsgroups in fact, the same 5 newsgroups you and I posted to.

MailWasher wasn't used and can't be used to post in these usenet
groups or any other newsgroups. MailWasher is used to filter out spam
and junk mail from incoming mail.

I use MailWasher Pro Ver 5 now and have used MailWasher since it was
in beta. I was one of the donors who supported MailWasher prior to its
initial release.

 

[N. Miller]

Best anti-spam program (imo) out there...

I most heartily disagree. I do not recommend it, and will never recommend
it, so long as the following prevails (taken from the site that you
linked):

| Q. What does the 'Enable bouncing of messages from this account' mean?
|
| A. If you don't want to use the bounce feature, you can disable it by
| unticking this box for each account. It is ticked to bounce by default.

Mr. Bolton needs to completely remove this abominable "bounce" feature,
which doesn't work, anyway. For one thing, using bounce violates most ISP
terms of service. Here is an actual MW bounce that I received from an
actual MW user; bouncing to an email address forged as the sender; the
spammer who sent the bounced message did not get it, but I did!

| Received: from 216.77.233.62 (HELO bellsouth.net) (216.77.233.62)
| by mta124.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 22:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
| Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:34:10 -0500
| From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>

Notice that this was supposedly sent by "(e-mail address removed)"; but
was it? Really? Using Sam Spade on the source IP address:

| 10/25/05 22:59:28 dns 216.77.233.62
| nslookup 216.77.233.62
| Canonical name: adsl-77-233-62.rmo.bellsouth.net
| Addresses:
| 216.77.233.62

Not a Bellsouth SMTP server, as one would expect of a proper bounce, but an
ADSL customer. Just like I am an SBC Yahoo! DSL Service customer. This
bounce is clearly a forgery. Now, I actually sent the MW user an email, to
her supposedly non-existent email address, which the Bellsough MX accepted
(which BS MX servers don't do with non-existent email addresses!)
explaining the Bellsouth AUP/TOS to her. Bellsouth, SBC-Y, and even
Rogers-Y, have prohibitions against impersonating ISP officials; and
<[email protected]>, or even <[email protected]>, are ISP
officials. Now looking at your posting headers, I see this:

| NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe0011d8264165-cm0014e8b57082.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 24.43.46.70

Sam Spade tells me this:

| 10/25/05 23:04:05 dns 24.43.46.70
| nslookup 24.43.46.70
| Canonical name: CPE0011d8264165-CM0014e8b57082.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
| Addresses:
| 24.43.46.70

Not a Rogers SMTP server; the "cpe" in the rDNS name means, "Customer
Premises Equipment"; IOW, your cable modem.

Now, since you are posting from Rogers netspace, let us take a look here:

http://na.edit.client.yahoo.com/rogers/show_static?.form=eua

I see this:

| 4. | Use of the Services. Your use of the Services must comply with this Agreement,
| all applicable laws and all Rogers and Yahoo! policies. Without limitation,
| you may not use the Services (including the Equipment) to directly or indirectly:
|
| 1. ...
| 2. ...
| 12. impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Rogers or
| Yahoo! official, forum leader, guide or host, or falsely state or otherwise
| misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;

The MailWasher bounce feature {spit} is on by default, and it does exactly
what Rogers prohibits. Now, what do you think will happen when somebody
like me comes along and sends a complaint to "abuse (at) rogers (dot) com",
as shown in the Sam Spade "whois" lookup for IP address 24.43.46.70. Or any
other ISP that I would report for abuse, for that matter. Have you ever
received a "TOS Notice" from your ISP? Do you want to receive a "TOS
Notice" from your ISP?

Definitely do not use the MailWasher bounce feature. Ever. But, until Mr.
Bolton removes that option completely, I just can't recommend the product.
Use something else; anything else.

SpamGourmet
SpamAssassin
POPFile
K9

Do not use MailWasher.

BTW, cross-posting to five disparate groups is abusive in its own right.
Because the sole group with any relevance at all to this application is the
MS Outlook Express group, I will do what you did not; set the
"Followup-To:" to put replies to my post in that group. Beyond that, I
going, just this once, ignore my news client warning about excessive
cross-posting. It would be far more appropriate to offer this kind of
information, bad as it is, in response to specific queries, in the group in
which the query was posted.

 

[N. Miller]

Which is better?

Magic Mail Monitor. But I actually like these better:

K9: http://www.keir.net/k9.html
POPFile: http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

I downloaded both, but wait for recommendation on either one of them before
installation. Or would it be a matter of preference?

I strongly discourage the use of MailWasher because the program has a
default configuration which generates email abuse from your IP addres; the
so-called, "bounce". It is not a bounce, but a newmail. It claims to be
from your ISP's "MAILER-DAEMON", but it is not sent from your ISP's SMTP
servers, as a proper "MAILER-DAEMON" message would be. And it will,
invariably, be sent to the "Return-Path:" email address, which, in most
spam, is either invalid, or forged.

 

[Steve Cochran]

No, not unless you post using your actual email address, as you seem
to have done, which spam magnetizes that email address - automatic
harvesting engines are likely to see to it that you do get spam.

Some of us prefer to do that, rather than misrepresent ourselves with munged
email addresses, but then I'm in the minority on that.

And I do get lots of spam. <G> Anybody need any?

steve

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Some of us prefer to do that, rather than misrepresent ourselves with
munged email addresses, but then I'm in the minority on that.

And I do get lots of spam. <G> Anybody need any?

steve

I usually get less than 300 spam messages a day. Easy to handle without an
extra program.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/

 

[Joan Archer]

<lol> It won't take you long to sort them out Heather you know how you
keep the WinME groups in line <g>
Joan

 

[Noel Paton]

Some of us prefer to do that, rather than misrepresent ourselves with
munged email addresses, but then I'm in the minority on that.

And I do get lots of spam. <G> Anybody need any?

steve

The accounts I use in these groups are always valid - and they get less spam
between them than the master account on my ISP, which is NEVER used except
for communication with them.


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read on how to post messages to NG's

 

[Michael Jennings]

Some of us prefer to do that, rather than misrepresent ourselves with
munged email addresses, but then I'm in the minority on that.

And I do get lots of spam. <G> Anybody need any?

Well, to see if maxing out the 2-1/2 gig gmail allowance is possible - that
would be interesting. Delete nothing and try search for non-spam.

My aversion to crap exceeds my distaste for using a bogus email address.
I get no spam. Yours is the more honorable choice.

 

[Steve N.]

Hi Steve.....

Thank you for your reply. I have only had XP for about 6 weeks (new
computer) but was on the WinME ng's for years. I haven't had time to
isolate the egomaniacs and idiots so far, but I would say he is #1 on the
List. (G)

I think MW is an amazing program and I used it for a long time.

Hmmm, a brilliant thought here. The MVP designation is renewable each year.
Care to take any bets on who might not (and should not) be one next year?

Cheers.....Heather

Carey's been getting it every year anyway. Lot's of folks complain here,
it has no effect on him or his status.

Steve

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Carey's been getting it every year anyway. Lot's of folks complain here,
it has no effect on him or his status.

Steve

Complaining here has no effect on anyone's status. This is a peer to peer
support group and is generally not read by MS. Complaints about MVPs need
to be sent to (e-mail address removed)

That said, I think Carey usually does a decent job with a few quirks. I
notice no other MVPs posted a similar complaint.

I suspect that his judgment was based mainly on the number of groups to
which the message was crossposted. I can see how someone unfamiliar with
Heather could arrive at that conclusion.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com

 

[Joan Archer]

<lol> Someone else who knows our Heather <g>
Joan


Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE wrote:
I can see how someone

 

[Steve N.]

Complaining here has no effect on anyone's status. This is a peer to
peer support group and is generally not read by MS. Complaints about
MVPs need to be sent to (e-mail address removed)

They have been.

That said, I think Carey usually does a decent job with a few quirks.

You haven't been paying very close attention, then. I've seen other MVP
call him on his BS and he doesn't even heed them. He has no respect for
his peers.

I
notice no other MVPs posted a similar complaint.

I suspect that his judgment was based mainly on the number of groups to
which the message was crossposted.

Which is in keeping with his general lack of willingness or ability to
actually READ posts.

Steve

 

[Recep sarikcioglu]

Actually, I find the posting of relevant and useful freeware to be of
interest, especially if the OP has taken the time to test and evaluate.
One of the MS-MVP's in another NG posted a reference to "Crap Cleaner",
www.ccleaner.com , and I have found that to be extremely effective and a
big time saver (as opposed to manual cleaning). I should add that I
believe ALL of the MS-MVP's provide a great service and should be
respected for their efforts, to include yourself, Carey. However, IMHO, I
do think your response to Heather was, just a tad, uncalled for.
Heirloom, old and just my opinion....I could be
wrong

 

[DGuess]

I've been busting my buns on solving a server problem all week and I get a
chance to come back in here and look what you've done!!!!!!!! Get out the
wet noodles.

Steve not being just another pretty face, Norman expressing his inner
feelings, spam, advertising, sex drugs (note no comma) and no rock and
roll!!!

I come into the group and Figgs has created a long thread, er uh,
conversation so I knew it was a "just gots to know" one.

Shall I start the measurments for the asbestos suit, I may have some old
ones I can send you. I think the one I used for the full screen post to
Spaceman is a bit worn, but there are a few left I can donate

Gee, I just wished it had some political or religious overtones in there
somewhere, we could have add some more newsgroups then


Majik