FREE Linux CDR's and DVD's... Just pay the shipping....

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Jerry McBride

I've been handing out free copies of the various Linux distributions for
ages now and at one time even offered them on usenet may years back.

However, I'm back and I'm making a better offer than I ever did before.

I will send you a FREE linux CDR/DVD copy of ANY of the many downloadable
Linux distributions...

All you pay is the shipping.

Simply email me with your snail mail address, optionally include your phone
number and clearly state which of the freely available Linux distributions
you want. Allow me three days to burn the copies and I'll mail them to the
address you specify. Once you get your package/mailer, just send me the
funds that it took to mail you the package... That's it.

This offer is only good to those that live in the U.S.A...
 
Jerry said:
I've been handing out .....
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This is *NOT* an "advocacy" group. Take you spam elsewhere.

Spam report id 1775364803 sent to: (e-mail address removed)
Spam report id 1775364818 sent to: (e-mail address removed)


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Jerry McBride said:
I've been handing out free copies of the various Linux distributions
for
ages now and at one time even offered them on usenet may years back.

However, I'm back and I'm making a better offer than I ever did
before.

I will send you a FREE linux CDR/DVD copy of ANY of the many
downloadable
Linux distributions...

All you pay is the shipping.

Simply email me with your snail mail address, optionally include your
phone
number and clearly state which of the freely available Linux
distributions
you want. Allow me three days to burn the copies and I'll mail them to
the
address you specify. Once you get your package/mailer, just send me
the
funds that it took to mail you the package... That's it.

This offer is only good to those that live in the U.S.A...
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NOTE: Originally sent to:
microsoft.public.windowsxp,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Reply sent only to:
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
since microsoft.public.windowsxp doesn't exist.

No thanks. You already posted before to the microsoft.public.* groups
about your, ahem, "offer". The downloads are free and even dial-up
users can get them quicker than having to wait for a CD to appear via
snail mail. Yeah, I have to wonder how much is that shipping (the same
scam that some eBay sellers use to hike up their price by charging
ridiculously high shipping costs). So users are going to stamp an
envelope and put another stamp inside of it? Somehow I don't think your
shipping cost is just for the first-class postage stamp and maybe
another couple stamps to cover the cost of a 70-cent CD mailer envelope
and another stamp for the cost of the CD-R (i.e., they'll use one stamp
and send you 3 more). You aren't distributing anything for free that
wasn't already free! Duh.

Downloading is so much easier and faster. Visit
http://www.distrowatch.com if you want some *NIX distro. Hell, some of
them, like Ubuntu, will send you as many precut CDs as you want with the
labeling and even a cardboard wallet.
 
Bruce said:
This is *NOT* an "advocacy" group. Take you spam elsewhere.

Spam report id 1775364803 sent to: (e-mail address removed)
Spam report id 1775364818 sent to: (e-mail address removed)
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Okay, I'm in a fiesty mood tonight, so I'll bite.

How is this spam, Bruce? He posted one article to three groups, one of
which does not even exist.

Off-topic, maybe, but not spam.

And my question to Vanguard with respect to his comment is this: if he's
sending these out without first collecting funds for the shipping,
doesn't he actually risk of losing money?

I agree that this is not technically the appropriate group for this
post, but on the other hand, to me, and to guys like Jerry, who do not
post directly to the Microsoft servers, this is just usenet.

If Microsoft were reguarly posting a FAQ to educate all users about the
customs of the group, then it might be a little different. But it
doesn't. So I don't think you can get on someone's case for treating
these groups as if they were ordinary newsgroups.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Bruce said:
This is *NOT* an "advocacy" group. Take you spam elsewhere.

Spam report id 1775364803 sent to: (e-mail address removed)
Spam report id 1775364818 sent to: (e-mail address removed)
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Okay, I'm in a fiesty mood tonight, so I'll bite.

How is this spam, Bruce? He posted one article to three groups, one of
which does not even exist.

Off-topic, maybe, but not spam.

And my question to Vanguard with respect to his comment is this: if he's
sending these out without first collecting funds for the shipping,
doesn't he actually risk of losing money?

I agree that this is not technically the appropriate group for this
post, but on the other hand, to me, and to guys like Jerry, who do not
post directly to the Microsoft servers, this is just usenet.

If Microsoft were reguarly posting a FAQ to educate all users about the
customs of the group, then it might be a little different. But it
doesn't. So I don't think you can get on someone's case for treating
these groups as if they were ordinary newsgroups.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

<snipped>

Whoops!
How is this spam, Bruce? He posted one article to three groups, one of
which does not even exist.
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Make that one article to two groups, one of which does not even exist.

Not spam by any stretch of the imagination.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
I gotta say that Jerry's post wasn't spam in the traditional sense but it is
in the way spam = junkmail. Spam isn't just mass cannonized ad fodder
anymore, its rudimentary scams like this.

How many morons does this guy suck in you think? People must buy into the
"herbal remedies" and "erectus modification pills" or they would just give
up...Hey Jerry could you send me the express version of SQL server 2005, I'll
pay anything!!
 
brandon dub said:
I gotta say that Jerry's post wasn't spam in the traditional sense but
it is
in the way spam = junkmail. Spam isn't just mass cannonized ad fodder
anymore, its rudimentary scams like this.
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Where in my post did I use the word "spam" or even allude to it? I'm
not sure it really is a scam since the recipient pays him AFTER getting
the CD in the postal mail (so the recipient has the leverage in case he
decides to charge a ridiculously high shipping cost). If the user to
which he is *shipping* these CDs (as opposed to him handing them out for
no charge) doesn't have an Internet connection, what's the point of
getting the OS if you cannot connect anywhere? Everyone to which he
sends a CD has an Internet connection by the very fact that they had to
have one to read his post in Usenet. That means all those users already
have the means to obtain the already-free distros for *NIX and don't
have to wait around for his CD to eventually show up in the postal mail.
 
Vanguard said:
"brandon dub" wrote:
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Spam is not junkmail. Spam is spam.

There is actually a standard somewhere for the type of post Jerry made,
and he didn't break any longstanding usenet rules. (I'll hunt for the
link; I have it somewhere.) He just offended those who don't know what
spam is.

I know I mentioned up above that it might be considered off-topic, but
when you take into account the number of frustrated people in this group
who threaten to get a new OS, I don't know how off-topic it really is.
Where in my post did I use the word "spam" or even allude to it?
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You didn't.

Bruce did.

Everyone to which he sends a CD has an Internet connection by the
very fact that they had to have one to read his post in Usenet. That
means all those users already have the means to obtain the
already-free distros for *NIX and don't have to wait around for his
CD to eventually show up in the postal mail.
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Unless they have a slow connection. Or unless they don't mind waiting,
and they don't want to bother with the download...probably because they
have a slow connection. Or they just want the CDs because then they
don't have to worry about a backup.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
quote vanguard:
That means all those users already
have the means to obtain the already-free distros for *NIX and don't
have to wait around for his CD to eventually show up in the postal mail.
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I think hes trying to offer CD's to people who *cough* don't have CD burners
- if there is such a thing.

There is a new UNIX magazine out, two actually, both offer CD's with red hat
and fedora or something and some applications to kick it off for under $25.

Thats what I would do without an internet connection, at least I'd be
getting something out of it (tips, tricks and apps). His deal makes no sense.
If he would offer BART's PE for S+H only than I might check it out (and save
one or two hours of creating it myself)

Vanguard, engarde: I never quoted you, or mentioned you. "spam" was from
earlier posts (back to Bruce and everyone BUT you), I added my OWN opinion so
quit being so self centered...for the most part I was agreeing with you...

Maybe he's just some lonely guy trying to provide a simple service, or some
retarded business schemer. who cares, no one will bite.
 
Rhonda Lea Kirk said:
Spam is not junkmail. Spam is spam.

There is actually a standard somewhere for the type of post Jerry
made, and he didn't break any longstanding usenet rules. (I'll hunt
for the link; I have it somewhere.) He just offended those who don't
know what spam is.
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Spam involves a count of the number of posts (same or near equivalent).
One to three duplicated posts hardly meets the Briedbart Index or other
spam measures. As you said, spam is not junkmail. The post was
off-topic and such posts are considered rude to the group's regulars.
You don't go posting on how to bondo a car in a gardening group. You
don't proselytize a *NIX operating system in a Microsoft group, AND visa
versa, too (i.e., Windows evangelists in the *NIX groups are posting
off-topic). These off-topic posts as to a better OS are almost intended
to flame but the OP hasn't succeeded (as far as I see) in finding a
gullible dupe to partake in his attempted flame. Some try to mini-flame
by putting some registration number for Linux in their signature as
though anyone gave a damn about them stroking their ego in public.

Jerry DID break long-standing Usenet rules. He posted off-topic. His
post smacks of a subdued flame because it is off-topic. Posting
off-topic messages is rude.
 
brandon dub said:
There is a new UNIX magazine out, two actually, both offer CD's with
red hat
and fedora or something and some applications to kick it off for under
$25.

Thats what I would do without an internet connection, ...
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Obviously everyone he reaches with his post here in Usenet already has
an Internet connection; otherwise, they wouldn't see his post to take
advantage of his offer. To see his post, they must have an Internet
connection. Since they have an Internet connection, they can download
the free distros themselves.

There are free CD burning programs out there. In another group, someone
already asked this question and was given about 6 different programs
which could be used to do the CD burn of the ISO image for the
downloaded distro (see 24hoursupport.helpdesk in subject of "CD Burning
Program", but be prepared for lots of trolls and a-holes over there).
 
Edited to reinsert the part of my post you snipped:

[reinsertion] I know I mentioned up above that it might be considered
off-topic, but
when you take into account the number of frustrated people in this group
who threaten to get a new OS, I don't know how off-topic it really
is.[/reinsertion]

I don't mind being used as a springboard for a lecture, but please don't
ever do it like that again.

Argument by snipping is about as rude as it gets.
Spam involves a count of the number of posts (same or near
equivalent). One to three duplicated posts hardly meets the Briedbart
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It was a single message. One.

I'll grant that it was intended to be two, but he made a mistake and it
was only one.

Of course, neither one of us has googled to see if he actually
multiposted instead of crossposting, so this may not be a valid
argument.
Index or other spam measures. As you said, spam is not junkmail. The
post was off-topic and such posts are considered rude to the
group's regulars. You don't go posting on how to bondo a car in a
gardening group. You don't proselytize a *NIX operating system in a
Microsoft group, AND visa versa, too (i.e., Windows evangelists in
the *NIX groups are posting off-topic). These off-topic posts as to
a better OS are almost intended to flame but the OP hasn't succeeded
(as far as I see) in finding a gullible dupe to partake in his
attempted flame. Some try to mini-flame by putting some registration
number for Linux in their signature as though anyone gave a damn
about them stroking their ego in public.
Jerry DID break long-standing Usenet rules. He posted off-topic. His
post smacks of a subdued flame because it is off-topic. Posting
off-topic messages is rude.
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If we draw and quarter them all, there will be no one left to post.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Rhonda said:
Okay, I'm in a fiesty mood tonight, so I'll bite.

How is this spam, Bruce? He posted one article to three groups, one of
which does not even exist.

Off-topic, maybe, but not spam.
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Actually, in all the years I've been using Usenet, deliberately
off-topic posts are, by definition, spam. It's not quite the same as
email, in that it doesn't have to be commercial in nature before it's
considered spam. Also, I've no reason not to think that the OP has no
intentions of somehow profiting from the personal information he's
trying to gather with this oh-so-generous "offer" of his. Also, it's
more than one post to three newsgroups; he's posted this same post
repeatedly, on different days.


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



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Bruce said:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
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Actually, in all the years I've been using Usenet, deliberately
off-topic posts are, by definition, spam.
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They are not. See below.
It's not quite the same as
email, in that it doesn't have to be commercial in nature before it's
considered spam.
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I sympathize because about three years ago, I ran into a guy who was
profiting from the posting of news clips to various newsgroups, and I
got into a real battle royale with him over it. There were many, many
more posts involved than in this case. I took it to nanau. I was
adjudged to be overreacting.

Trust me, even if you consider it spam, it's not. Not by any stretch of
the imagination.
Also, I've no reason not to think that the OP has no
intentions of somehow profiting from the personal information he's
trying to gather with this oh-so-generous "offer" of his. Also, it's
more than one post to three newsgroups; he's posted this same post
repeatedly, on different days.
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He has made a total of *eight* posts, five to the Microsoft groups, two
to free.* and one (which was also a discussion of what he is doing) to
comp.os.linux.advocacy. He has been posting under this name, mostly to
the linux groups, for the last five years, and whenever people have
needed software, he has offered to burn and send for a buck plus the
actual shipping cost. I don't know what CDs cost where you live, but
where I live, he's losing money, even if people do cover his postage
after they receive the CDs, which is not guaranteed.

Based on his posting history alone, I would have no fear about using one
of his CDs.

So yes, it's off-topic and it may be annoying to some people, but it
isn't commercial and it isn't spam.

And the problem with making spam reports regarding non-spam is that when
you then make a legitimate spam report, no one listens.

rl
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Insisting on perfect safety is for people
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Mary Shafer Iliff
 
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