Forgot boot up user name and password

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Lauramc

My friend got a laptop from a friend and when he turned the computer on it
asked for a user name and password, well, he doesn't know it. How can he get
past this or how can he erase the hard drive without having this information.
 
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Malke

Lauramc said:
My friend got a laptop from a friend and when he turned the computer on it
asked for a user name and password, well, he doesn't know it. How can he
get past this or how can he erase the hard drive without having this
information.

It's unclear whether you mean a BIOS password (supplied immediately after
you turn the computer on and long before Windows boots) or a Windows
password. If the former, contact the laptop mftr. for instructions. If the
latter, ask the original owner for the password.

It is fairly easy to get around a Windows password, but with a used computer
your first step should always be to do a clean install anyway. Check at the
laptop mftr.'s website to see what the procedures are for that specific
model to return the laptop to factory condition.

Malke
 
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VanguardLH

Lauramc said:
My friend got a laptop from a friend and when he turned the computer on it
asked for a user name and password, well, he doesn't know it. How can he get
past this or how can he erase the hard drive without having this information.

When receiving old hardware and *if* it does truly include the operating
system (rather than just a polluted hard disk with the OS) then the best
advice is to flatten the host and rebuild anew. That means booting
using the install CD for Windows, selecting for format the partition for
the OS, and do a *fresh* install of that OS.

You and your friend don't know what might've been left on that old host
regarding tweaks, bugs, bad configuration, illegal software, illegal
porn, web history, etc. Just flatten and rebuild. Then your "friend"
has a new and fresh install of the OS without any screwups created by
its prior owner.

If your friend didn't get any installation media for Windows in the form
of an installation CD, a recovery CD, or a recovery image in a hidden
hard disk partition then he did not get the OS as part of the hardware
transfer. Get old hardware on which an OS is installed doesn't mean you
have a legal license to use it. The seller may have kept the Windows
license and what you got was just hardware that included a polluted hard
disk.
 
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Shenan Stanley

Lauramc said:
My friend got a laptop from a friend and when he turned the
computer on it asked for a user name and password, well, he doesn't
know it. How can he get past this or how can he erase the hard
drive without having this information.

If you mean 'immediately he was asked for a password to boot the computer' -
then that poses a different problem than 'after the system booted to Windows
XP - it prompted him for a username and password to utilize the Windows XP
system...'

Which is it?

If the latter - your friend does not need one to "... erase the hard drive
....' <- just the original installation media.
 
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David B.

Although this is nice advise it really has nothing to do with the OP's
question, nor does it help with the problem he's asking about.
 
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David B.

If your referring to a BIOS level password, unless the previous owner can
help, it is likely the laptop will have to be disassembled to clear it, if
it's an IBM forget about it, you can't clear it using normal methods.
 
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VanguardLH

David said:
Although this is nice advise it really has nothing to do with the OP's
question, nor does it help with the problem he's asking about.

Sure it does - regarding the missing quotation of my post which you
decided to put into the *signature* which NNTP clients should strip from
replies; i.e., signatures ALWAYS go at the bottom of a post regardless
that you want to top- or bottom-post. Windows Live Mail lets you
configure where the signature gets placed. Windows Mail doesn't have
that option? Microsoft added a patch to OE back in 2002 with Windows XP
SP-2 to honor a registry key that dictated where the signature goes (at
the end) so I would've thought that Windows Mail in Windows Vista
would've incorporated that feature but made it available as a user
configurable option.

If he flattens and rebuilds then obviously his "friend" gets to select
whatever password they want for the Administrator account and could even
leave it the default of blank, along with selecting whatever passwords
wanted for any other accounts created for Windows logins.

The OP did mention that erasing the disk was undesirable but a possible
choice so flattening the host and rebuild is what happens for that
choice.
 
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VanguardLH

David said:
If your referring to a BIOS level password, unless the previous owner can
help, it is likely the laptop will have to be disassembled to clear it, if
it's an IBM forget about it, you can't clear it using normal methods.

In fact, on some IBM laptops, the password is incorporate to the
encryption employed on the disk. Without it, no user can read the
contents of the hard disk (i.e., it's all scrambled). I don't know if
the user can send it in to IBM at a hefty price to reset the password
(so you can change it later to something that you only know) but I
suspect that means they wipe the disk and flatten and rebuild the OS.
They're not a data recovery company.

For some models of IBM's Thinkpad (I think it is the T and X models),
there are 3 passwords: the Setup (BIOS) password, the HDD password, and
the Power-On password.

For the Power-On password:
- Power off the computer.
- Remove the battery pack. Unplug the AC Adapter.
- Remove power to the RTC chip:
(a) Remove the backup battery for 20 minutes. For T23's & T30's, the
lithium cell is in the battery pack area so no case dismantled is
needed. Then replace the wafer battery.
(b) Or, use a screwdriver to short the backup battery for 1 second.
- Power up. Wait until the POST completes.
- The Power-On password should not reappear. It has been cleared.

I found another set of instructions at:
http://www.tech-faq.com/ibm-thinkpad-bios-password.shtml

Supervisor and HDD passwords:
These are security features used to protect the system from unauthorized
use and protect the hard disk drive data from unauthorized access, like
if it gets stolen or wandering employees go "visiting" your cubicle and
your laptop while you are away. There is no means of overriding this
security. They cannot be replaced if forgotten. If you forget the
Supervisor password, the system board must be replaced (to replace the
EEPROM chips). If you forget the Hard Disk password, the hard disk drive
must be replaced.

Googling around shows some articles with folks claiming that they have
figured out how to reset the HDD password but that only works if only a
password only was employed and not full-disk encryption that relies on
the original password for decryption. For the Supervisor password,
unsolder the Amtel chip from the mobo and read it to get the password
(http://sodoityourself.com/hacking-ibm-thinkpad-bios-password/). I've
don't know if a BIOS flash update (even to the same version as is
presently in EEPROM) will wipe the Supervisor password (as they could
make their flash utility bypass those bytes). In fact, I've read that
Thinkpad users lost access to their computer after performing a BIOS
flash update. I've seen claims that sending the Thinkpad into IBM to
reset "the password" (which one wasn't mentioned) costs anywhere from
$75 (or free) to $800. Guess you won't know until you call them to get
a repair cost quote.

So far, all that is known so far is that it is "a laptop". Nothing to
go on regarding brand and model to specifically address the concerns of
the OP for *that* laptop. I found instructions for some models at
http://repair4laptop.org/laptop_and_notebook_bios_password_reset.html.
Googling around on "+<brand> +<model> +password <passwordtype> +reset"
might have the OP find the info he needs.
 
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David B.

As the OP stated he wanted to format the disc, a lecture on why he should
format the disc was pointless.
 
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VFH

I enabled Content Advisor in my HP Desktop and password protected it. Now it
doesn't recognize the password I input and won't allow me to get into
explorer.
VFH
 
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Malke

Alexisxy wrote:

This is the second time you've done this. Now it's spam and now it's been
reported.

Malke
 

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