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Jeff T

Tim Meddick said:
Jeff,
The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in Task Manager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".

But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.

That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service" [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the "Stop"
service button. Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).

Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :

sc delete MsMpSvc

(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Control-Alt-Delete

Windows Task Manager...to stop MSE just end process for
Msseces.exe...you do need help.

Yes, I do need help. ==Msseces.exe isn't in the task manager.
Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I didn't
think you'd see it.
What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?
 
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Paul

Jeff said:
Tim Meddick said:
Jeff,
The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in Task Manager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".

But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.

That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service" [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the "Stop"
service button. Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).

Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :

sc delete MsMpSvc

(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Jeff T wrote:
Is it safe to delete Microsoft Security Client? I can't get rid of
Microsoft Security Essentials. The computer tells me that it's
running
but I can't find it anywhere. Is the security client the same thing?
I can find a recipe of sorts here. Basically it passes an argument to
the
original installer.
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_start/remova...
But before jumping to that conclusion, in a search engine, I can see
several attempts by rogue malware, to confuse and complicate matters.
If you're seeing dialog boxes, warning you're infected, and would
you like to buy the infection removal tool, that isn't coming from
Microsoft. There are a number of similarly named things, which
are rogues, and attempt to extort money from you.
Paul
I can't install MSE because it tells me it's running but I can't find
it.
Control-Alt-Delete

Windows Task Manager...to stop MSE just end process for
Msseces.exe...you do need help.

Yes, I do need help. ==Msseces.exe isn't in the task manager.
Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I didn't
think you'd see it.
What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?

Start : Programs : Accessories : Command Prompt

That will give you a "MSDOS Window", which accepts text commands you type in.

This may serve as a refresher, on what some of the commands can be. The Command
Prompt is not a perfect emulation of DOS, but a few of the things here will work.

http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/

The "cd" command is typically the first one I use. The "current directory"
will show in the prompt. For example, right now mine shows

C:\Documents and Settings\MyUserName>

If I enter this as a command

cd \

the prompt shows my current working directory as

C:\>

Then, I might like to move to my download directory, which is on C:

cd downloads

That gets me

C:\Downloads>

Now, executable programs are the things used in a command prompt.
For example

copy file1.txt file2.txt

would copy file1.txt to a new, identical file called file2.txt. And
place them both in the current working directory. Now I'd have these
two files in my Downloads directory.

C:\Downloads\file1.txt
C:\Downloads\file2.txt

Operating systems, typically have some rules for the "execution path".
This is a preferred set of directories where the shell will look
for a program you request. If the program you specify is not in the path,
then you get an error. For example,
bafflegab.exe

'bafflegab.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external...

and that means bafflegab isn't in the path, nor in the current working
directory. It could quite well be somewhere else on C:, but the
shell isn't allowed to go off on a lark, looking for the file. The
path is tightly controlled for a reason. It especially prevents
accidents, where the wrong thing might get picked up.

There is a control panel, where is stored environment variables. You
can modify the path, to add directories to the path. Some installers,
when they install DOS-like programs, make modifications to the
execution path.

The current directory is also included in the path. As I'm a lazy
guy, sometimes I "cd" to my Downloads directory, and just dump the
executable I need into the same directory. For example, I keep a copy
of "md5sum.exe" in my Downloads directory. md5sum computes a checksum,
and on some downloaded files, I compare the checksum as a measure
of authenticity (compare to someone else who has a legitimate copy).
md5sum file1.txt

and it is picked out of my current working directory. Both md5sum.exe
and file1.txt are in my Downloads directory.

That's not nearly enough to get you started, but may give you a
few hints.

When comparing "command prompt" to the usage of a "script", a script
is a collection of commands, one after another, potentially with
conditional statements to make the script intelligent. When a
user types into a DOS "command prompt", that is called an interactive
session, as the user can react to any accidents in a more intelligent
way than a script could (the script is only as intelligent as the
original writer of the script).

Even the MacOSX has this feature. On a Macintosh computer from Apple,
you open a Terminal window, and can issue the same kind of commands
as you can in Windows. The combination of GUI based programs
(the normal way), plus the power of issuing commands from a
command prompt, gives you the best of both worlds. When something
is well and truly broken, command prompts are there to help.

Paul
 
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Tim Meddick

You should be able to execute the "SC" command from the "Run" box on the
start menu.

However, you may still get a "Windows can't find SC...." error message.

That would be because you may be running Windows XP "Home" rather than
"Professional", as the file [sc.exe] is not included as standard with the
"Home" edition (I don't think so anyway).

But try it anyway and then if you get the error message download it from :
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip

....then "unzip" it to a location on your "PATH" (i.e. your WINDOWS or
SYSTEM32 folder)

Then run the command again :

sc delete MsMpSvc

....if you do run it from the "Run" box you won't have time to see any
"feedback" (i.e. if there's any error messages) because the command will
run and exit so fast, so it may be better to open a Command Prompt window
and run it from there instead :

To open a command prompt type "cmd.exe" into the "Run" box on the Start
Menu or you should find it on the Start Menu under :

All Programs > Accessories > Command Prompt


How did you get on with the rest of what I said you should do?


On second consideration, all you really need to do is the above command and
reboot.

After rebooting your PC you will then be able to remove the folder :

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Client


But you will also still need to download and run the "Windows Installer
CleanUp Utility" (a tiny "Add or Remove Programs" list editor) and is
available to install it from
http://majorgeeks.com/downloadget.php?id=4459&file=15&evp=fe1c76da3437592326a3d668d72bf8f5

Then, once installed, locate the program on your Start Menu and use it to
remove the "Microsoft Security Client" entry from the program-list.

Once you've done these two things your system should be clear of MSSE to
either install a different Anti-Virus program or even to re-install MSSE at
a later time.

Please re-post if you have any further problems with what I've said.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Tim Meddick said:
Jeff,
The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in Task Manager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".

But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless
advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.

That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service" [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the
"Stop"
service button. Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).

Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :

sc delete MsMpSvc

(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Jeff T wrote:
Is it safe to delete Microsoft Security Client? I can't get rid of
Microsoft Security Essentials. The computer tells me that it's
running
but I can't find it anywhere. Is the security client the same
thing?

I can find a recipe of sorts here. Basically it passes an argument
to
the
original installer.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_start/remova...

But before jumping to that conclusion, in a search engine, I can see
several attempts by rogue malware, to confuse and complicate
matters.
If you're seeing dialog boxes, warning you're infected, and would
you like to buy the infection removal tool, that isn't coming from
Microsoft. There are a number of similarly named things, which
are rogues, and attempt to extort money from you.

Paul

I can't install MSE because it tells me it's running but I can't find
it.

Control-Alt-Delete

Windows Task Manager...to stop MSE just end process for
Msseces.exe...you do need help.

Yes, I do need help. ==Msseces.exe isn't in the task manager.
Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I
didn't
think you'd see it.
What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?
 
J

Jeff T

Tim Meddick said:
P.S.
Again, as "SCTom" has also mentioned, you can also take a look at
this ;

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/smb-security/articles/69276.aspx

...particularly the part ¼ of the way down the page ;

"How to Remove Microsoft Security - Manually Uninstall Microsoft Security
Essentials"

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)

I tried to maually uninstall it and it's not in the registry that's why I
wonder if what you're telling me to do will work. I don't want to screw
anything up. Again!!
Jeff Thoele
 
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Paul

Jeff said:
I tried to maually uninstall it and it's not in the registry that's why I
wonder if what you're telling me to do will work. I don't want to screw
anything up. Again!!
Jeff Thoele

Have you confirmed what is running right now ? With Task Manager
or with Process Explorer ?

Paul
 
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Jeff T

Jeff T said:
I tried to maually uninstall it and it's not in the registry that's why I
wonder if what you're telling me to do will work. I don't want to screw
anything up. Again!!
Jeff Thoele
PS I AM running WindowsXP Home SP3
 
J

Jeff T

Paul said:
Have you confirmed what is running right now ? With Task Manager
or with Process Explorer ?

Paul
Yeah, MSE isn't running but MsMpEng is running. Is that the same thing??

Jeff
 
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Paul

Do you have a copy of Process Explorer ?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653

Try right-clicking on the msmpeng entry in Process Explorer, then select Properties.

If I do a properties right now on my newsreader, it looks like this. It
shows the folder where the software came from (which I presume can be
faked, but you never know). By using that technique, perhaps you can
identify the folder where MSE is installed, and see how much of it is left.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1766/procexp.gif

Now, is that program you just checked, coming from what looks like a
"normal" path, something that Microsoft would have done ? Or is it
coming from some other place ? If in doubt, post a screenshot of
the Properties box and upload it to imageshack.us or similar.

You might also want to search your machine, for copies of msseInstall.log
or mseInstall.log.

Paul
 
J

Jose

Jeff,
       The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in TaskManager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".
But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.
That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service"  [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the "Stop"
service button.  Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).
Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :
sc delete MsMpSvc
(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

Cheers,    Tim Meddick,    Peckham, London.    :)

Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I didn't
think you'd see it.
   What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?

Do you want fix things... or fool around trying things.

How are things working out for you now?
So far al I see is:

Try this, maybe that, should be, might be, could be, maybe...

How much time have you wasted?

Are you any closer to a satisfactory resolution or just spinning
wheels?
 
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Jeff T

Tim, I followed your directions word for word and I was able to uninstall
and then reinstall Microsoft Security Essentials. Thanks alot. I feel like I
owe you something.
Thanks Again,
Jeff Thoele


Jeff T said:
Tim Meddick said:
Jeff,
The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in Task Manager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".

But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.

That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service" [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the "Stop"
service button. Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).

Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :

sc delete MsMpSvc

(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Jeff T wrote:
Is it safe to delete Microsoft Security Client? I can't get rid of
Microsoft Security Essentials. The computer tells me that it's
running
but I can't find it anywhere. Is the security client the same thing?

I can find a recipe of sorts here. Basically it passes an argument to
the
original installer.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_start/remova...

But before jumping to that conclusion, in a search engine, I can see
several attempts by rogue malware, to confuse and complicate matters.
If you're seeing dialog boxes, warning you're infected, and would
you like to buy the infection removal tool, that isn't coming from
Microsoft. There are a number of similarly named things, which
are rogues, and attempt to extort money from you.

Paul

I can't install MSE because it tells me it's running but I can't find
it.

Control-Alt-Delete

Windows Task Manager...to stop MSE just end process for
Msseces.exe...you do need help.

Yes, I do need help. ==Msseces.exe isn't in the task manager.
Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I
didn't
think you'd see it.
What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?
 
T

Tim Meddick

If you do owe me anything, I have certainly been paid in full by knowing
you have had success.

Also, I thank you for re-posting that your problem was resolved.

So many don't bother, and it can be mildly frustrating.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Tim, I followed your directions word for word and I was able to uninstall
and then reinstall Microsoft Security Essentials. Thanks alot. I feel
like I owe you something.
Thanks Again,
Jeff Thoele


Jeff T said:
Tim Meddick said:
Jeff,
The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in Task Manager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running
process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".

But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless
advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.

That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service" [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the
"Stop"
service button. Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).

Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :

sc delete MsMpSvc

(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)















Jeff T wrote:
Is it safe to delete Microsoft Security Client? I can't get rid of
Microsoft Security Essentials. The computer tells me that it's
running
but I can't find it anywhere. Is the security client the same
thing?

I can find a recipe of sorts here. Basically it passes an argument
to
the
original installer.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_start/remova...

But before jumping to that conclusion, in a search engine, I can
see
several attempts by rogue malware, to confuse and complicate
matters.
If you're seeing dialog boxes, warning you're infected, and would
you like to buy the infection removal tool, that isn't coming from
Microsoft. There are a number of similarly named things, which
are rogues, and attempt to extort money from you.

Paul

I can't install MSE because it tells me it's running but I can't find
it.

Control-Alt-Delete

Windows Task Manager...to stop MSE just end process for
Msseces.exe...you do need help.

Yes, I do need help. ==Msseces.exe isn't in the task manager.
Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I
didn't
think you'd see it.
What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?
 
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Jeff T

Tim Meddick said:
If you do owe me anything, I have certainly been paid in full by knowing
you have had success.

Also, I thank you for re-posting that your problem was resolved.

So many don't bother, and it can be mildly frustrating.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




Jeff T said:
Tim, I followed your directions word for word and I was able to uninstall
and then reinstall Microsoft Security Essentials. Thanks alot. I feel
like I owe you something.
Thanks Again,
Jeff Thoele


Jeff T said:
Jeff,
The "Microsoft Antimalware Service" is not found in Task Manager
under the name "msseces.exe " (that's the process name for the
user-interface program) - the actual service-name of the running
process
is called "MsMpEng.exe".

But I trust that by telling you this, you won't follow the useless
advice
to simply stop the process from Task Manager but follow the procedure I
outlined in my first post to this thread.

That is; to use "Start" > "Run" > "services.msc" to stop the Microsoft
Antimalware Service" [MsMpSvc] by clicking on it and pressing the
"Stop"
service button. Then disable it (Startup-Type > choose "disabled" from
the drop-down list).

Finally delete the service (un-register) with the "sc" command from a
Command Prompt window :

sc delete MsMpSvc

(if you get "sc is not a recognized...." or "could not find..." you can
download the "sc" command [sc.exe] from the link below)
http://www.dynawell.com/download/reskit/microsoft/win2000/sc.zip
(open the ZIP-file (by clicking on it in Explorer, then copy the file
"sc.exe" to a folder in your "path", such as your [c:\windows] )

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)















Jeff T wrote:
Is it safe to delete Microsoft Security Client? I can't get rid of
Microsoft Security Essentials. The computer tells me that it's
running
but I can't find it anywhere. Is the security client the same
thing?

I can find a recipe of sorts here. Basically it passes an argument
to
the
original installer.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_start/remova...

But before jumping to that conclusion, in a search engine, I can
see
several attempts by rogue malware, to confuse and complicate
matters.
If you're seeing dialog boxes, warning you're infected, and would
you like to buy the infection removal tool, that isn't coming from
Microsoft. There are a number of similarly named things, which
are rogues, and attempt to extort money from you.

Paul

I can't install MSE because it tells me it's running but I can't find
it.

Control-Alt-Delete

Windows Task Manager...to stop MSE just end process for
Msseces.exe...you do need help.

Yes, I do need help. ==Msseces.exe isn't in the task manager.


Tim, I hate to start a new thread but my latest post was buried and I
didn't
think you'd see it.
What do you mean by a command prompt window.
I'm a little hesitant to do all this, I'm afraid I'll screw something up
again! Is there much chance of that?
Glad to help! I'm so happy you fixed my problem.
Jeff
 

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