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Bob I
BillW50 said:
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BillW50
In Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:42 -0500:
And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?
And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't buy
any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?
Computer <> hardware. But just for you.
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/winxp_inspn?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&redirect=1
And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?
And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't buy
any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?
K
Ken Blake, MVP
And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?
I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:
Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
some new ones.
As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
probably have even more used copies for sale.
Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
other version of Windows, including Windows XP.
B
Bob I
BillW50 said:In Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:42 -0500:
And how long will this last Bob? Maybe what you are trying to say is
that people like me should buy up all of the Windows XP systems they can
get their hands on because once they gone, that's it. Is that is what
you are saying, Bob?
And for those of us that has bad luck with Dell computers and won't buy
any more of them... well we are just screwed now, eh Bob?
I think someone needs to do a reality check, you can't buy PCs with
Windows 2000, NT4, Win 3.11 either.
M
M
BillW50 said:In M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:13:20 +0200:
So if I want Windows XP, where do I find the drivers for newer hardware
when the manufactures don't bother creating any for XP?
False, they still do. I just installed XP on a computer that was bought
three days ago. It came with an XP friendly ASUS mother board CD with
the drivers for the chipset, on board audio and NIC. The nVidia 9800 GT
had XP drivers at the nVidia site. You can get a copy of XP from NewEgg.
Linux? Been there, done that.
How long ago?
Completely useless to me. Can't even
multitask or play media very well. And it only has one hundredth the
applications that Windows does. And anybody who likes Linux is a
masochist IMHO. As why would they want to torture themselves like that?
I have no problem with it. I was not suggesting you use Linux, btw.
M
M
M
BillW50 said:In Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:00 -0500:
And which manufactures supplies drivers for XP on their computers that
they are selling now Bob?
Not the point. You need drivers for the motherboard. If you have a
dedicated graphics card, you need them for the card too, as well as if
you have a dedicated sound card. If all is on board, you only need the
CD that comes with the motherboard. Hardware makers know the popularity
of XP, trust me. Computer makers like Dell and HP are totally irrelevant.
M
B
BillW50
In Ken Blake, MVP typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:50:05 -0700:
Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.
I personally won't mind running Windows v3.1 and Windows 95 once again
(mainly for fun) on a modern machine. As I bet they would run lighting
fast. But drivers doesn't exists for newer hardware.
I don't know what Bob was saying, but here's my view:
Almost certainly, those people who want to buy copies of Windows XP
will be able to do so for a good many years--certainly used, and even
some new ones.
As an experiment, I just went to Amazon.com to see whether they still
offered Windows 95 for sale. They had new copies from two sources and
used copies from six. I didn't bother to also check eBay, but they
probably have even more used copies for sale.
Why did I look for Windows 95? Because Windows 98 came out on July 25,
1998. If you can buy Windows 95 over 11 years after it became
obsolescent, almost certainly you'll be able to do the same with any
other version of Windows, including Windows XP.
Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.
I personally won't mind running Windows v3.1 and Windows 95 once again
(mainly for fun) on a modern machine. As I bet they would run lighting
fast. But drivers doesn't exists for newer hardware.
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BillW50
In Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:51:15 -0500:
Yes Bob, try a reality check. Corporate and many users have rejected
Vista and I predict this will be true of Windows 7 as well. So that
leaves many with just Windows XP.
I think someone needs to do a reality check, you can't buy PCs with
Windows 2000, NT4, Win 3.11 either.
Yes Bob, try a reality check. Corporate and many users have rejected
Vista and I predict this will be true of Windows 7 as well. So that
leaves many with just Windows XP.
B
BillW50
In M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:02:33 +0200:
Using Intel CPU and chipset?
For the past year with Xandros, Ubuntu, and Puppy. Drivers for devices
are often missing, applications are rare, multimedia performance is
poor, etc. And OpenOffice can't even convert text to sentence or title
case. It's completely useless since I need to fire up a real machine to
get a simple job done.
Cool and nice looking it is. But I need an OS that does something more
than just sitting there and looking pretty. <wink>
False, they still do. I just installed XP on a computer that was
bought three days ago. It came with an XP friendly ASUS mother board
CD with the drivers for the chipset, on board audio and NIC. The
nVidia 9800 GT had XP drivers at the nVidia site. You can get a copy
of XP from NewEgg.
Using Intel CPU and chipset?
How long ago?
For the past year with Xandros, Ubuntu, and Puppy. Drivers for devices
are often missing, applications are rare, multimedia performance is
poor, etc. And OpenOffice can't even convert text to sentence or title
case. It's completely useless since I need to fire up a real machine to
get a simple job done.
I have no problem with it. I was not suggesting you use Linux, btw.
Cool and nice looking it is. But I need an OS that does something more
than just sitting there and looking pretty. <wink>
K
Ken Blake, MVP
In Ken Blake, MVP typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:50:05 -0700:
Well finding older version of Windows isn't much of a problem. The
problem comes in that drivers for newer hardware usually doesn't exists.
Well that's often true (especially for laptops), but it's a different
statement from the one I replied to.
M
M
BillW50 said:In M typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:02:33 +0200:
Using Intel CPU and chipset?
Yep. I've done it recently with a new AMD machine too.
M
B
Bob I
BillW50 said:In Bob I typed on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:51:15 -0500:
Yes Bob, try a reality check. Corporate and many users have rejected
Vista and I predict this will be true of Windows 7 as well. So that
leaves many with just Windows XP.
In reality, much of Vista's features were more geared to the home
consumer, and didn't give the corporate user any real benefit to move
off of XP. Also I think you are wrong about the acceptance of Windows 7.
But if there is a market, the drivers will be created. If you MUST have
Windows XP then you will need to plan ahead. The rest of the world is
moving on.
B
BillW50
In Bob I typed on 25 Sep 2009 12:35:42 -0500:
Really Bob? So far most of the world is with me. Most Windows users are
using Windows XP than any other Windows version. And there aren't any
signs that this is going to be changing anytime soon. So if you wish to
leave most of us and enter into the abyss of no return. well that is up
to you isn't it?
Windows XP has been the longest lasting and supported OS MS has ever
created. And developers have yet the memory limits of XP. And every new
software and device that is coming out has XP support behind it. Neither
Vista nor Windows 7 has this kind of support yet. And they may never
have.
Some people have often wondered how long can Microsoft continue their 28
year reign for OS domination? I personally believe huge, bloated, and
slow OS like Vista and Windows 7 is a turn for the worst. So we might be
seeing a whole new and different world in the future. One that Microsoft
no longer dominates. Unless they focus back on XP once again.
In reality, much of Vista's features were more geared to the home
consumer, and didn't give the corporate user any real benefit to move
off of XP. Also I think you are wrong about the acceptance of Windows
7. But if there is a market, the drivers will be created. If you MUST
have Windows XP then you will need to plan ahead. The rest of the
world is moving on.
Really Bob? So far most of the world is with me. Most Windows users are
using Windows XP than any other Windows version. And there aren't any
signs that this is going to be changing anytime soon. So if you wish to
leave most of us and enter into the abyss of no return. well that is up
to you isn't it?
Windows XP has been the longest lasting and supported OS MS has ever
created. And developers have yet the memory limits of XP. And every new
software and device that is coming out has XP support behind it. Neither
Vista nor Windows 7 has this kind of support yet. And they may never
have.
Some people have often wondered how long can Microsoft continue their 28
year reign for OS domination? I personally believe huge, bloated, and
slow OS like Vista and Windows 7 is a turn for the worst. So we might be
seeing a whole new and different world in the future. One that Microsoft
no longer dominates. Unless they focus back on XP once again.
S
Shenan Stanley
BillW50 said:Really Bob? So far most of the world is with me. Most Windows users
are using Windows XP than any other Windows version. And there
aren't any signs that this is going to be changing anytime soon. So
if you wish to leave most of us and enter into the abyss of no
return. well that is up to you isn't it?
Windows XP has been the longest lasting and supported OS MS has ever
created. And developers have yet the memory limits of XP. And every
new software and device that is coming out has XP support behind
it. Neither Vista nor Windows 7 has this kind of support yet. And
they may never have.
Some people have often wondered how long can Microsoft continue
their 28 year reign for OS domination? I personally believe huge,
bloated, and slow OS like Vista and Windows 7 is a turn for the
worst. So we might be seeing a whole new and different world in the
future. One that Microsoft no longer dominates. Unless they focus
back on XP once again.
In the end - it's all opinions.
Where I work, we did not push Vista until SP2 came out - because in our
estimation, it wasn't as ready as we like. As for Windows 7 - since we
obtained Windows 7 - we have been pushing it out.
For me - I would say it is the *next* Windows XP. Yep - Windows XP is a
great OS, although it had to develop into that. I see Windows 7 being that.
Windows Vista I treated like Windows ME. ;-)
All anyone can say for certain here is what they think, and only what they
think right at that moment. ;-) Everything else is speculation when it
comes to the future.
S
Shenan Stanley
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http://groups.google.com/group/micr...p.general/browse_frm/thread/66dc3ebbfa07819f/
Thought I should clarify...
Right now the majority of the systems I manage at work are 'Windows XP'.
There are a FEW 'Windows Vista' machines - but so few that the 'Windows 7'
workstations now number 3 times the number of 'Windows Vista' workstations.
So I would (roughly) say 80% 'Windows XP' (mostly because of the specs of
the hardware), 15% 'Windows 7' and 5% 'Windows Vista'.
Any new machines that are ordered get 'Windows 7' installed on them. ;-)
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...p.general/browse_frm/thread/66dc3ebbfa07819f/
Shenan said:In the end - it's all opinions.
Where I work, we did not push Vista until SP2 came out - because in
our estimation, it wasn't as ready as we like. As for Windows 7 -
since we obtained Windows 7 - we have been pushing it out.
For me - I would say it is the *next* Windows XP. Yep - Windows XP
is a great OS, although it had to develop into that. I see Windows
7 being that. Windows Vista I treated like Windows ME. ;-)
All anyone can say for certain here is what they think, and only
what they think right at that moment. ;-) Everything else is
speculation when it comes to the future.
Thought I should clarify...
Right now the majority of the systems I manage at work are 'Windows XP'.
There are a FEW 'Windows Vista' machines - but so few that the 'Windows 7'
workstations now number 3 times the number of 'Windows Vista' workstations.
So I would (roughly) say 80% 'Windows XP' (mostly because of the specs of
the hardware), 15% 'Windows 7' and 5% 'Windows Vista'.
Any new machines that are ordered get 'Windows 7' installed on them. ;-)
T
Terry R.
The date and time was Friday, September 25, 2009 1:57:54 PM, and on a
whim, Shenan Stanley pounded out on the keyboard:
Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering what corp. was installing
Vista! None of the networks I admin have Vista at all. If any get new
workstations/laptops, we either load XP or it's preinstalled.
Even with Win7 almost here, none of the existing workstations will get
it. So it means that only new machines would be considered for a new OS.
And in this economy, none of my customers are allocating much of their
budget for that type of expense. It's "Use it up, wear it out, make
due, or do without."
Terry R.
whim, Shenan Stanley pounded out on the keyboard:
<snipped>
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...p.general/browse_frm/thread/66dc3ebbfa07819f/
Thought I should clarify...
Right now the majority of the systems I manage at work are 'Windows XP'.
There are a FEW 'Windows Vista' machines - but so few that the 'Windows 7'
workstations now number 3 times the number of 'Windows Vista' workstations.
So I would (roughly) say 80% 'Windows XP' (mostly because of the specs of
the hardware), 15% 'Windows 7' and 5% 'Windows Vista'.
Any new machines that are ordered get 'Windows 7' installed on them. ;-)
Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering what corp. was installing
Vista! None of the networks I admin have Vista at all. If any get new
workstations/laptops, we either load XP or it's preinstalled.
Even with Win7 almost here, none of the existing workstations will get
it. So it means that only new machines would be considered for a new OS.
And in this economy, none of my customers are allocating much of their
budget for that type of expense. It's "Use it up, wear it out, make
due, or do without."
Terry R.