?for an MVP regarding dot Net updates recieved today repeating themselves?


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Dallas Overturf

This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET The
update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing.
Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again.

Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates
manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date
with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around
2:15pmish EST
System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor
is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram.

Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some light
on this I hope!

Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0

All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for
1.1

I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps??
I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw
3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x

Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm
on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so
I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes
question that.
I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields
the same.
Initializing installation... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service
Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1 Service
Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)...

I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do?

Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go uninstalling
the stuff...

Thank
you very much! Regards, Dallas...


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Dallas Overturf said:
This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET
The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing.
Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again.

Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates
manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date
with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around
2:15pmish EST
System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor
is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram.

Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some
light on this I hope!

Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0

All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for
1.1

I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps??
I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw
3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x

Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm
on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so
I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes
question that.
I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields
the same.
Initializing installation... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)...

I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do?

Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go
uninstalling the stuff...


Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas...


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Sorry I'm not a MVP, but I'll make a suggestion anyway - have you restarted
the computer since installing the updates? You haven't said you have in
your post.
 
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Jim

Dallas Overturf said:
This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET
The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing.
Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again.

Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates
manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date
with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around
2:15pmish EST
System has been stable for many months and still appears to be. Processor
is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram.

Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some
light on this I hope!

Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0

All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for
1.1

I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps??
I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I saw
3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x

Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x I'm
on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so
I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes
question that.
I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update yields
the same.
Initializing installation... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)...

I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to do?

Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go
uninstalling the stuff...


Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas...
I am not an MVP either, but the answer to your question is no. It seems
that the various versions of the .NET framework offer different features,
and
one does not supercede any of the previous ones.

Jim
 
D

Dallas Overturf

Thank you Jim and Maincat: for your replies; hopefully one of the MVPs out
there will have run into this and have further data on it.
The machine has been rebooted several times (I always reboot after an
install to verify things seem stable)
and from what was said; I will not uninstall any of the .NET versions.
I will note that even on shutdown it has said it was installing on at least
two ocaisions and I saw no error then either;
but when it comes back up; the yellow/gold update shield will come back and
it's for the same updates again.

Thanks for the replies! Regards
to all, Dallas...

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Jim said:
Dallas Overturf said:
This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET
The update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing.
Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again.

Machine is XPH SP2 and on auto update and I check for custom updates
manually as well every few weeks. Prior to this I was fully up to date
with no updates outstanding. This showed up today 7/10/07 at around
2:15pmish EST
System has been stable for many months and still appears to be.
Processor is AMD Athlon XP+1800 768MB ram.

Below is what seems relavent in Add Remove programs that may shed some
light on this I hope!

Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 1.1
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 2.0
Add Remove Programs shows .NET Framework 3.0

All of these appear to be installed; there is also a hotfix installed for
1.1

I'm thinking I need to Uninstall some of these except for 3.0 perhaps??
I will note: I did a custom update once today after this started and I
saw 3.0 update come through. 3.0 does not seem to be repeating like 1.x

Below is the cut and paste of the installation text happening for 1.x
I'm on OE set to plain text posting this but it looks tiny here so
I apologize if it is not plain text; Format says it is; but my eyes
question that.
I will note that manual express install from tools-> windows update
yields the same.
Initializing installation... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) (update 1 of 2)... done!

Installing Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) (update 2 of 2)...

I'm thinking that everything but 3.0 should be removed is this safe to
do?

Thanks for any suggestions on this; I did not want to just go
uninstalling the stuff...


Thank you very much! Regards, Dallas...
I am not an MVP either, but the answer to your question is no. It seems
that the various versions of the .NET framework offer different features,
and
one does not supercede any of the previous ones.

Jim
 
D

Dallas Overturf

Also regarding this here is the update history: All updates in my history
have a green check mark in the status column.
Followed By MBSA output.

Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates

Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Root Certificates Update Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft
Update
Windows XP Update for .NET Framework 3.0: x86 (KB932471) Tuesday,
July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Microsoft Update
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates
Windows XP Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0
Service Pack 3 (KB928367) Tuesday, July 10, 2007 Automatic Updates


Below is the output of MBSA 2.0.1: I've run the downloads it points me at
and same problem occurs. Perhaps the updates from auto update
are not being cleared out??
MS07-040 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.0 Service
Pack 3 (KB928367) Critical
MS07-040 Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework, Version 1.1
Service Pack 1 (KB928366) Critical


Again Thank you for any
help/suggestions on this! Regards to all, Dallas...
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Guest

Dallas Overturf said:
This afternoon my XP Home machine brought in security updates for .NET The
update claimed succesfull/completed no errors showing.
Now I keep getting the update shield and same updates again.


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EyeNoZero said:
This update failed 5 times. I feel like a bad day is coming. Maybe not
tomorrow..but soon. Total reformat over a weekend.

As I painfully learned today, this is a common problem. Free Microsoft
security support has been swamped with phone calls at 866-727-2338.
Fortunately they're being very nice about it and walk you through the steps
to overcome the installation problems for the ,Net 1.1 and .Net 2.0 security
updates issued July 10, 2007. The bizarre nature of this is that tech
support told me that these updates work fine if you do not already have .net
framework 1.1 or .net framework 2.0 installed -- heck, why would you update
them if you don't have them already installed? Such is the joy of dealing
with tech support overseas at 2 a.m. their time.

Also you need to keep the 3 versions of .net framework on your computer
(1.1, 2.0, and 3.0) -- they are not cumulative. Different applications
require different versions of .net framework to function.

I'll try to repeat their step by step instructions so you don't have to
call. It worked fine on my Windows XP Pro, SP2 computer; it did not work on
my wife' similar computer.

Read through them first before you do anything -- especially the caution at
the end.

The steps from Microsoft Security Tech Support and from Aaron Stebner's
Weblog at upnet.notlong.com -- Microsoft Tech Support actually took me there
first.

(1) Try to perform a standard uninstall of the .net framework for which you
could not install the July 10 security update. Of course, you do this in the
Control Panel's Add-Remove Programs.

(2) If this fails to completely remove the .net framework you've targeted,
then you'll want to download the tool from Stebner's Weblog -- this is the
tool that Microsoft Tech Support uses and recommends. The file name is
dotnetfx_cleanup_tool.zip . Unzip the file and run it. You will get to choose
which versions (1.0, 1.1, 2.0) of .net framework you want to uninstall and
clean up. While Mr. Stebner warns against simply uninstalling the .net
frameworks, Microsoft Tech Support had me run this tool without first
attempting the standard uninstall. On my computer this worked just fine.

Stebner warns:
There are a couple of very important caveats that you should read before
using this tool to cleanup .NET Framework bits on your machine:
1. You should try to perform a standard uninstall first. This tool is not
designed as a replacement for uninstall, but rather as a last resort for
cases where uninstall or repair did not succeed for unusual reasons.
2. This cleanup tool will delete shared files and registry keys used by
other versions of the .NET Framework. So if you use it, be prepared to repair
or reinstall any other versions of the .NET Framework that are on your
computer to get them to work correctly afterwards

Download the tool completely uninstall .net frameworks 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0.

(3) Reboot your computer after uninstalling/cleaning up the .net frameworks
you want to remove. NOte that when you restart your computer, any application
that is dependent on a .net framework version that you uninstalled will not
work. Be patient -- they'll work once you've reinstalled the appropriate .net
framework(s).

(4) Run Windows Update - custom. It should show all of the .net frameworks
not currently installed on your computer. Now you have probably not worried
about .net framework 3.0 since there was no security update for it. But there
is a regular update for it. You will probably find these .net frameworks
under "High Priority," but more likely under "Software, Optional." You can
download ALL of the .net frameworks and updates that are visible to you here
-- 1.1, 2.0, 3.0.

(5) After they've installed, reboot your computer.

(6) Now, the .net framework 1.1 that you just installed includes the latest
security update (Microsoft made this change today, July 12, 2007). You should
NOT try to install that update. So you should go back to Microsoft Update,
choose custom, and if it shows the .net framework 1.1 security pack update
tell Microsoft Update not to show it any more. Apparently Microsoft Update
thinks you didn't install it because it was built into the 1.1 that you just
installed.

(7) If you uninstalled .net framework 2.0, you should have been able to
reinstall it via Microsoft update. If it did not show up in Microsoft update,
you can track it down online via a search engine or at Microsoft.com and
download it and install it manually.

CAUTION. Frankly, you would be most prudent to clone your hard drive before
running these updates -- just to give yourself some protection. On my wife's
Windows XP Pro, SP2 computer, the .net framework 1.1 reinstall did not take
and I could not install it because I started getting Runtime errors from the
Microsoft Visual C++ RunTime Library. So I had to revert to a clone after
copying all the data (the D partition) to the clone's D partition.
 
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Dallas Overturf

Thank you Daniel: I could not uninstall any .NET installation (missing
network resource or some such...)
so used that clean tool and had it take out all versions of .NET. Then
reboot and re-install them via windows update.


All seems well again here, thanks! Much appreciated, Dallas...

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