first impression of a stupid design

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michail iakovou yos

Dale you really nailed that one down... indeed the start menu image on the
top that fades in and out has these things that make it not cool:

A program fails to be "cool" when it has:

-Use or abuse of a technology just because it can.
-Features that detract from usability, flow, or performance.
-Is in the user's face, constantly drawing unneeded attention to itself.
-A fleeting good impression. It might have been fun the first time, but the
enjoyment wears off quickly


You don't say who "he" is but really who's stuck in 1993 is you. Back then,
eye candy was considered cool. Marquee controls scrolling text uselessly in
web pages, falling-snow java applets that you could put any image into and
watch snow fall in front of it, waving blue satin sheet backgrounds in web
pages, web site home pages that you had to "click to enter site", and more.
These were all useless visual effects but way too many people thought they
were cool. Luckily, in UI design, we realized that we don't put in elements
because they're cool. We put in UI elements because they add value and
functionality.


Because that same square is changing constantly as a result of, but not
keeping up with, mouse movements, it is, for all intents and purposes, an
animation. Here's what the Vista UI design guidelines say about animations:

The human eye is sensitive to motion, especially peripheral motion. If you
use animation to draw attention to something, make sure that attention is
well deserved and worthy of interrupting the user's train of thought.


Here's the definition of "Cool" from Microsoft's own UI design pages for
Vista:

What is "cool"?
WPF offers an exciting set of advanced capabilities. With this step forward
comes the desire to create better—or "cooler"—software. All too often these
attempts don't seem to hit the mark. To understand why, let's make a
distinction between what makes a program cool and what doesn't.
A program really is "cool" when it has:
Features appropriate for the program and its target users.
Aesthetically pleasing look and feel, often in a subtle way.
Improved usability and flow, without harming performance.
A lasting good impression—it's just as enjoyable the 100th time as the
first.
A program fails to be "cool" when it has:
Use or abuse of a technology just because it can.
Features that detract from usability, flow, or performance.
Is in the user's face, constantly drawing unneeded attention to itself.
A fleeting good impression. It might have been fun the first time, but the
enjoyment wears off quickly.
He is stuck in 1993.

Michail

The year is 2007..
 
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michail iakovou yos

I agree with that ... anything else?


Jeff said:
Well,

I for one,
think the searchbar in the start menu is WAY better than NOT having one in
X? hmmm X something-lol

Jeff
 
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Dale

I agree that some people may like it. I found it lacking as a virtual
replacement for the Run command. I was sure glad when someone in here
posted how to get Run back on the start menu.

Dale
 
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Tom Lake

you must have then a third eye on your forehead so you can watch that cute icon
fade on and off... lol

its not cool.. its useless and distracting... The best way was to have the icons next to the words like XP had. Your eye and brain could identify the function in a split second without reading the title of the function and click on it.

It's not too distracting for me. In fact, even though I've been using Vista since Beta 1,
it wasn't until this discussion that I even noticed that the icon changes!

Tom Lake
 
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Dale

Well, that surely shows that it is useless then. :) There are a lot of other items the development time could have been used to improve. For instance, the developers who wrote that functionality could have been loaned to the WMP team for a while do complete some of the dropped features that WMP didn't have time to complete before release.

Dale

you must have then a third eye on your forehead so you can watch that cute icon
fade on and off... lol

its not cool.. its useless and distracting... The best way was to have the icons next to the words like XP had. Your eye and brain could identify the function in a split second without reading the title of the function and click on it.

It's not too distracting for me. In fact, even though I've been using Vista since Beta 1,
it wasn't until this discussion that I even noticed that the icon changes!

Tom Lake
 
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Robert Firth

Ok, the fading icons might be a bad idea, I'll give you that one. However,
the scroll bar is brilliant and more visually appealing. Besides, you don't
need to use the scroll bar anyway if you use the search feature.

I don't look for things, I search - I find.

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Dale

I can accept the scrollbar as part of the new way of doing things that Vista
represents. I can give it time to see how it settles in. I know I dislike
the scrolling programs list introduced in Windows 2000 and if you disable
the scrolling, I have had cases where the overlapped subfolders over
subfolders have nearly filled the screen and been very hard to find where I
was - there was definitely room for improvement and the scrollbar just may
be it.

The icon on the top will always be a bad idea.

Dale
 
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michail iakovou yos

search means you remove your hand from the mouse so you can type..
some people are disabled, some people are very slow typers...
some use tablet pc with onscreen keyboards.. (this just takes too much time)
Some HATE to use the keyboard when its not nessesary (like I do)

conclusion?>>> BAD IDEA AND DESIGN MICROSOFT!

Selecting the classic menu means you lose the other handy options the XP
start menu had.

If I find a way, tweak, or hack to get the XP functionality back on a vista
start menu..
I will gladly do it without a second thought
 
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Mark-Allen [160825]

The latest Longhorn build I have is 6001. So, does it exist on that, too?

Build 5048 is a bit long in the tooth, wouldn't you say?

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Windows Vista X64 Ultimate
RTM Build 6000.16386
ALPHA Systems
Marly, Switzerland
mark-allen @ mvps . org
 

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