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And your talented contribution rates a solid ZERO (0).

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| Absolutely astounding information. He did not ask you about security on
| IE yet you volunteered this fud without even trying to answer the
| question asked.
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| Why did you even bother replying to the question if you could not
| provide anything to help?
 
Carey said:
And your talented contribution rates a solid ZERO (0).

Far better than yours, check below, I provided the answer to his
question. You need an attitude adjustment. Just because your life
ain't so great doesn't mean you have to be a jerk.
 
Helping folks solve problems...a skill and talent you apparently lack.

As I provided an answer that was directly helpful and you only provided
FUD, how do you feel that you helped in any way.

In this thread I've not seen you provide any help and only provide FUD
and misinformation. IE is still not a secure browser, if it was, users
would not have so many tool-bars and spyware being installed on their
systems in the default configuration.

As it stands, most users running FireFox, even an older .9/1.0 version
are far more secure anywhere on the web than using IE with SP2 in its
default config.

If users follow the MS recommendation to secure IE, unless they also
follow the recommendation on adding sites to the trusted zone, they will
find most websites broken or unusable. If the same users just blindly
add sites to the trusted zone, as many users would do, they will have
their systems compromised in short order.

You should take a step back, take a good look at how IE is use and how
FireFox is used, then how each react in different situations - if you
have any technical skills for evaluation you will admit that FF is a
more secure browser by default than IE (even with SP2).
 
Carey said:
With the latest updates installed, Internet Explorer is no more vulnerable
than alternative third-party browsers.

More FUD from the resident MS sycophant.

Pathetic, really.
 
In this thread I've not seen you provide any help and only provide FUD
and misinformation. IE is still not a secure browser, if it was, users
would not have so many tool-bars and spyware being installed on their
systems in the default configuration.

I do user support for over 600 people (all using IE) I can attest to much
spyware. Their browser is locked down pretty well by our policies and is NOT
the way this stuff gets in. They get the spyware because they download
'free' screensavers, games and other crap that contains spyware. Switching
to Firefox will not stop users from doing dumb things.
As it stands, most users running FireFox, even an older .9/1.0 version
are far more secure anywhere on the web than using IE with SP2 in its
default config.

If users follow the MS recommendation to secure IE, unless they also
follow the recommendation on adding sites to the trusted zone, they will
find most websites broken or unusable. If the same users just blindly
add sites to the trusted zone, as many users would do, they will have
their systems compromised in short order.

I've been using IE for years without a single security related incident and
I spend a LOT of time surfing.
You should take a step back, take a good look at how IE is use and how
FireFox is used, then how each react in different situations - if you
have any technical skills for evaluation you will admit that FF is a
more secure browser by default than IE (even with SP2).

It's marginally more secure than a properly configured version of IE. The
big difference is that Firefox users tend to be more computer savvy and
therefore are less likely to do potentially harmful things while surfing.

Security is just one aspect of a browser. If all we cared about was security
we would all be driving Volvo's.
 
I do user support for over 600 people (all using IE) I can attest to much
spyware. Their browser is locked down pretty well by our policies and is NOT
the way this stuff gets in. They get the spyware because they download
'free' screensavers, games and other crap that contains spyware. Switching
to Firefox will not stop users from doing dumb things.

We're in the same position, but I've moved my users from IE to FireFox
as a matter of support ROI. While users with properly secured/locked
down IE settings are able to surf, in most cases, most websites they
connect to are broken due to being locked down. At the same time, users
are mostly incapable of adding sites to the trusted zone because they
don't remember to do it - and the ones that do remember are adding sites
that should not be added to it.

Sure, FF doesn't stop users from doing stupid things, but stupid users
can browse more sites without being compromised than with IE.

You need to separate the two types of users - there are unmanaged users
and there are managed users. In the case of Unmanaged users, FF is a
better choice. In the case of Managed Users, IE, if properly configured
makes a reasonable choice.
I've been using IE for years without a single security related incident and
I spend a LOT of time surfing.

So have I, but I use both, and I'm not one to surf questionable sites
and know what should / should NOT be clicked on. Most users, the
unmanaged ones in small offices/homes don't have a clue.
It's marginally more secure than a properly configured version of IE. The
big difference is that Firefox users tend to be more computer savvy and
therefore are less likely to do potentially harmful things while surfing.

I can count the hours saved on workstation maintenance since moving
users to FireFox - in most cases we've changed the access defaults so
that FF is the primary browser, and users seem to leave it set that way.
I've only found two instances where we had to let IE remain as the
primary browser, and that was due to a poorly written .Net application.

I think you've missed the market - fire fox users have to be slightly
more technical in that they were looking for a browser replacement in
most cases, but there are masses of them that get FF due to a friends
recommendation, not because they are technical.

I will continue to push FF out to clients until I see some reason to
move them back to IE as the primary. Besides, with a 15% savings in
hours per month, it's a measurable difference now that we're using FF.
Security is just one aspect of a browser. If all we cared about was security
we would all be driving Volvo's.

And you could say that many other cars provide better transportation and
functions than a Volvo, and some of those vehicles are also safer when
properly configured than the Volvo.
 
Also, WU won't work without IE and the piggy backing services set to Auto...


R. McCarty said:
Iexplore.Exe is a WFP (Windows File Protected) module. If you
rename/move/delete it, XP will silently replace it. Best to not try
and remove or disable it, just set your preferred browser as Don
suggested.
 
Also, WU won't work without IE and the piggy backing services set to Auto...

With FF set as the default browser, and set as the default in Program
Defaults, automatic windows update works perfectly.
 
Thank you all for your incredible input. I would hope to think I wasn't one
of the uninformed. I am sticking with the Firefox and using IE for updates,
as one intelligent fellow remarked. MK
 
Please follow the thread. I was referring to the possibility of removing IE
completely.

I am aware of what you posted. FF is my default browser as well.
 
The best feature of FireFox is it uninstalls quite nicely.

You appear to be the opposite of those people who hate
anything fom MS.
I've switched to FF as my default browser, preferring it over
Avant or Maxthon, which at least feature tabbed browsing.
I.E. may be fine for some, but I don't know how any serious
I.T. person can use it instead of something that allows tabs.
 
You appear to be the opposite of those people who hate
anything fom MS.
I've switched to FF as my default browser, preferring it over
Avant or Maxthon, which at least feature tabbed browsing.
I.E. may be fine for some, but I don't know how any serious
I.T. person can use it instead of something that allows tabs.

I'm a comical I.T. person and I like tabs!?

PS don't browse untrusted sites with FF until this get's fixed:

http://secunia.com/advisories/11978/
 

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