Finally, MS is doing the right thing about Piracy

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Alias said:
Yeah, but the fanboys will say that people will pirate them, even if
they're 1 dollar. I agree with you. Make the profit margin marginal for
professional pirates and you'll cure most of the problem and benefit
greatly from customer satisfaction which would lead to a lot less
"casual piracy".

Alias

A fallacy. The "margin" will always be in favor of the pirate since
it pays no royalties or has a workforce to support. The current act
of counterfeiting has reached high levels through the salvage of not-
so-obsolete production equipment or their over-abundance. For example,
it wasn't too long ago that it required a 20,000 unit run to break-even
while pressing CD's; now it is 2,000 units. A future deterrance against
piracy might be a system of encryption-decryption based on pre-set keys
activated from a central source by another set of random keys. But this
might also prove to be fallacious, witness the WWII German "Enigma" or
the Japanese JN-25 codes.
 
A fallacy. The "margin" will always be in favor of the pirate since
it pays no royalties or has a workforce to support. The current act
of counterfeiting has reached high levels through the salvage of not-
For example,
it wasn't too long ago that it required a 20,000 unit run to
break-even while pressing CD's; now it is 2,000 units.

Not even 2000 units. A friend had CD's made of his band....printed CD
lettering/graphics (granted only 3 color), w/jewel case and tray liner and
front cover (no booklet). $1.70 ea. Sold for $3 a pop at a show is 566 CD's
to break even.
 
Yeah, but the fanboys will say that people will pirate them, even if
they're 1 dollar. I agree with you. Make the profit margin marginal
for professional pirates and you'll cure most of the problem and
benefit greatly from customer satisfaction which would lead to a lot
less "casual piracy".

Alias

Usenet junkies downloading 10 gig's of software a month is not casual
piracy.
 
Leythos said:
Oh, bs, what a bunch of crap. They are going after pirates, it doesn't
make any difference if they are online or off-line, they are still going
after pirates - the method of pirated distribution makes no difference -
they are still, and have been, going after pirates.

"Today's announcement marks ... ***the first time*** the company has
focused its efforts worldwide to bring legal action against online
dealers,"

Have the last word, you always do. Trying to dialog with you only brings
up your Jello wall.

Alias
 
DanS said:
Usenet junkies downloading 10 gig's of software a month is not casual
piracy.

I didn't say it was. Most don't sell what they download or even use it
for that matter and none of these junkies would pay for anything. I
think they do if for bragging rights, not because they need the software
or watch the same movie more than twice.

Alias
 
DanS said:
So they are going after 55 sellers that were accused of selling counterfeit
copies of MS software. Big deal. That's a miniscule piece of the pie.

IMO, the vast majority of pirating is done either by sharing copies of
purchased software with people you know, OR through Usenet & filesharing.

Putting out 55 sellers will do NOTHING.

I disagree to some point. I don't agree with theft. But at the same time
MS is stealing more than any of their users can.
 
Leythos said:
Oh, bs, what a bunch of crap. They are going after pirates, it doesn't
make any difference if they are online or off-line, they are still going
after pirates - the method of pirated distribution makes no difference -
they are still, and have been, going after pirates.

MS is as much a pirate as those they are going after. Prove this wrong.
 
Usenet junkies downloading 10 gig's of software a month is not casual
piracy.

LOL, 10GB is nothing, I've seen people do that in a week or less - All
of it was videos that had either just been released or other pirated
materials.
 
"Today's announcement marks ... ***the first time*** the company has
focused its efforts worldwide to bring legal action against online
dealers,"

Have the last word, you always do. Trying to dialog with you only brings
up your Jello wall.

Listen bubble - nothing has changed, only the "online" and based on what
YOU wrote, that means that nothing has changed. MS IS/DOES go after
Pirates and has for decades, so, if you could understand what I've
written so very clearly, nothing is different, nothing has changed, they
are still going after pirates - which doesn't mean that "Finally" or "MS
is doing the right thing" - it's a continuation of the same thing
they've done for many decades.
 
I didn't say it was. Most don't sell what they download or even use it
for that matter and none of these junkies would pay for anything. I
think they do if for bragging rights, not because they need the software
or watch the same movie more than twice.

Alias

Generally Alias, I agree with that opinion, but the most widely 'pirated'
AND CONTINUALLY USED single piece of s/w has to be WindowsXP. XP downloaded
and used at home. XP being sold as counterfeit. XP installed by less than
ethical computer shops. Yes you can blame the small shops, but that market
is small margin. Dell/Compaq/HP etc. virtually put them out of business for
system sales and the like. Why would you buy any system from a small shop,
with the super cheap deals you can catch at the big OEMs.

MS want their retail sales, which is currently a fraction, possibly almost
nothing of the total XP sales. They already have OEM sales, that is the
HUGE slice of the pie.

Of course, their whole point of view is distorted just like DTV. DTV and
other companies claim to be losing millions of dollars a year to various
form of electronic 'theft'. The way they see it, or more likely, want
everyone else to see it, is that w/o the possibility of stealing DTV, all
of the people that were 'testing' cards, would become legitimate
subscribers, since thay can no longer get it for free. Subscription numbers
and revenue's would skyrocket. That is not the case. While it's true that
subs have increased since the security holes were closed, it doesn't really
show anything substancially realted to have a secure service. They had
steady increase is subs throughout their history, and looking at the chart,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirecTV , the increase is not out of line with
the company history. Ergo, piracy of DTV did not nearly have the impact
that the company was claiming it did.

MS goes by the same mindset. Make it so you can't use it unless you buy it,
but let's charge $200/$300. Of illegal copies being used, how many of those
people would have gone out and purchased the OS retail to upgrade at $200.
I still work on people's PC's with Win98/Me on them. That's what was on the
PC when they got it, and it will be until that PC croaks.

So yes, people will steal it even if it's a buck, but if they make it so it
can't be pirated and must be purchased, a MUCH larger percentage of users
would feel comfortable spending $50 for the new OS.

Do you sell a million @ $200, or 4 million @ $50 ? If it were my business,
I'd go for the quantity sales.

DanS
 
MS is as much a pirate as those they are going after. Prove this wrong.

Show me where MS has been identified as a "Pirate" in any court RULING.
If you can't then your statement is false. You made that statement, now
back it up with some factual information.
 
DanS said:
I suggest massive price reduction.......XP Home - $39....XP Pro - $49. So
then, when Carey says 'You have to go out and buy (another) full retail
copy of XP', you'll only be out another $50 at most if you listen to him.

Why pay $50 if you could get it for free?

If your idea worked, people wouldn't be pirating $7.99 music albums.
 
Leythos said:
Show me where MS has been identified as a "Pirate" in any court RULING.
If you can't then your statement is false. You made that statement, now
back it up with some factual information.

What was that thing involving Apple and Xerox all about?

Alias
 
Why pay $50 if you could get it for free?

If your idea worked, people wouldn't be pirating $7.99 music albums.

Yes, but if XP was truly uncrackable (which is very important for this to
work), and there was no other way to use it than a purchase, $50 would be
much more reasonable to people than $200.

As far as music goes, that can't be compared fairly to software piracy.
Piracy of music does hurt sales on a greater scale than software piracy.
New release CD's are more like $12 (at least) and up, and very little of
that actually goes to the artists....MAYBE a $1/CD, if that. You are also
forced to buy a full CD of 10-13 songs when in fact you only want that
one song you heard on the radio. Similar to saying 'I'd like to purchase
a Windows XP'.....'OK, but you can only get XP if you buy XP, MS Office,
and exchange server for $1500'.
 
HeyBub said:
Why pay $50 if you could get it for free?

Yes. I'd buy three Vistas for that, one for each computer.
If your idea worked, people wouldn't be pirating $7.99 music albums.

I bought a Bob Dylan album last week for 8 euros. The new one is only 20
and comes with a dvd and a DRM free CD. I guess maybe someone, at least,
is getting the message and not listening to people like you who think
everyone's a crook.

Alias
 
DanS said:
Yes, but if XP was truly uncrackable (which is very important for this to
work), and there was no other way to use it than a purchase, $50 would be
much more reasonable to people than $200.

As far as music goes, that can't be compared fairly to software piracy.
Piracy of music does hurt sales on a greater scale than software piracy.
New release CD's are more like $12 (at least) and up, and very little of
that actually goes to the artists....MAYBE a $1/CD, if that. You are also
forced to buy a full CD of 10-13 songs when in fact you only want that
one song you heard on the radio. Similar to saying 'I'd like to purchase
a Windows XP'.....'OK, but you can only get XP if you buy XP, MS Office,
and exchange server for $1500'.

FUD. The music industry was crying in the rain when reel to reel tapes
came out and crying a bloody ocean when cassette tapes came out. Someone
needs to give them a hanky.

Alias
 
Bob said:
As you have made the accusation, the burden of proof is on your shoulders.
Do research on the patent infringement case brought against MS by AT&T
and MS's response as to its defense. MS ripped off AT&T lost and was
give a fine in the millions. MS has appealed the the reward saying that
they should only pay for one copy of the ripp off. MS made hundreds of
thousands of copies. But by MS's reasoning all the others were just
copies not the master (Gold) so they should not be held liable for the
copies. So by this reasoning I could buy an original make copies for
sale and not be held liable for theft as they were only copies not the
original.
 
Leythos said:
Show me where MS has been identified as a "Pirate" in any court RULING.
If you can't then your statement is false. You made that statement, now
back it up with some factual information.
Look here for one place;
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/10/30/tech-microsoft.html
So If I buy a copy of Windows I am legal. If I make copies and sell them
I am also legal, by MS reasoning, because they are only copies.
Believe me I do not believe in theft. But where does this leave MS.
This is just one case in point. Look into MS business practices since
there beginning but especially since the birth of "MS's" browser. It is
constant and provable.
I have found that you always expect people to treat you the way you
treat people. That is why MS believes that All uses are potential pirates.
 
Alias said:
What was that thing involving Apple and Xerox all about?

Alias

I can't remember the name of the company that MS bought the rights to
the browser that MS renamed IE then gave it away free so they didn't
have to live up to their contractual royalty payments. It took awhile
but MS lost that one also.
 

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