Finally, MS is doing the right thing about Piracy

[Alias]

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic..._0_TECH-MICROSOFT-URGENT.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

Yes, MS, this is the correct way, not forcing your paying customers to
prove their innocence and assuming they are guilty.

Alias

 

[Galen]

In Alias had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic..._0_TECH-MICROSOFT-URGENT.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

Yes, MS, this is the correct way, not forcing your paying customers to
prove their innocence and assuming they are guilty.

Alias

I may be an MVP but I'm inclined to agree with you in that the whole WGA is
pretty silly. I can't think of a better way (while preventing piracy) though
so while I agree I certainly don't have the answers as to how to improve the
situation. Thanks for the link and news.

The irony?

"Microsoft said it had sent warnings for infringing behavior to many of the
defendants before taking the legal action."

*sigh*

Did they actually think Microsoft was kidding or something?

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/ http://kgiii.info/

"Chance has put in our way a most singular and whimsical problem, and
its solution is its own reward." - Sherlock Holmes

 

[Leythos]

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic..._0_TECH-MICROSOFT-URGENT.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

Yes, MS, this is the correct way, not forcing your paying customers to
prove their innocence and assuming they are guilty.

MS is not changing how they do things - they just expanded the way they
have been going after pirates to include more than a few countries.

They have always gone after pirates and "customers", so nothing is
different.

 

[Alias]

MS is not changing how they do things - they just expanded the way they
have been going after pirates to include more than a few countries.

They have always gone after pirates and "customers", so nothing is
different.

It wasn't really a long article, Leythos. From the article:

"Today's announcement marks ... ***the first time*** the company has
focused its efforts worldwide to bring legal action against online dealers,"

My point, which you missed, was that this is the way to deal with
pirates, not assume ALL of your paying customers are thieves and forcing
them to jump through flawed WPA/WGA/WGAN/SPP hoops to prove their innocence!

Alias

 

[Leythos]

It wasn't really a long article, Leythos. From the article:

"Today's announcement marks ... ***the first time*** the company has
focused its efforts worldwide to bring legal action against online dealers,"

My point, which you missed, was that this is the way to deal with
pirates, not assume ALL of your paying customers are thieves and forcing
them to jump through flawed WPA/WGA/WGAN/SPP hoops to prove their innocence!

And the point which you missed, saying that they were doing the "Right
Thing" is that nothing has changed with WGA/WPA/WGAN, and that they've
been going after pirates for years, the only thing that makes this news
is that they are going after a LARGE number all at the same time.

Read it again - nothing is new and nothing has changed.

 

[Alias]

And the point which you missed, saying that they were doing the "Right
Thing" is that nothing has changed with WGA/WPA/WGAN, and that they've
been going after pirates for years, the only thing that makes this news
is that they are going after a LARGE number all at the same time.

Read it again - nothing is new and nothing has changed.

What is it about the phrase "the first time" that you don't comprehend?
They have NOT been going after pirates for "years". Pre XP OSes were
pirated BECAUSE MS WANTED THEM PIRATED in order to saturate and control
the market. I know MS is your hero but, sorry, that's the truth. What's
more WPA/WGA/WGAN/SPP marks the end of Microsoft's golden years and the
beginning of them being as relevant as Amiga.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

What is it about the phrase "the first time" that you don't comprehend?
They have NOT been going after pirates for "years". Pre XP OSes were
pirated BECAUSE MS WANTED THEM PIRATED in order to saturate and control
the market. I know MS is your hero but, sorry, that's the truth. What's
more WPA/WGA/WGAN/SPP marks the end of Microsoft's golden years and the
beginning of them being as relevant as Amiga.

BS, MS has gone after pirates for years, google for it.

I don't care for MS and your showing your immaturity when suggesting
that MS is "my hero".

Nothing has changed, nothing is different, they are still doing the same
thing they always have.

 

[Alias]

BS, MS has gone after pirates for years, google for it.

False. They have only given lip service. They allowed piracy for exactly
the reasons I stated.

I don't care for MS and your showing your immaturity when suggesting
that MS is "my hero".

Sorry, but it's the impression you give, in spades.

Nothing has changed, nothing is different, they are still doing the same
thing they always have.

I find WPA, etc. to be different. Going after online distributors of
pirated MS products, according to the article, is different.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

False. They have only given lip service. They allowed piracy for exactly
the reasons I stated.

False - completely.

Sorry, but it's the impression you give, in spades.

Actually, as about half my workstations are running Fedora, the only
justification you have for that is your incessant hate of all things
Microsoft. I don't care what vendor does what, but misinformation is
always a bad thing - and stating that MS is doing something different is
misinformation.

I find WPA, etc. to be different. Going after online distributors of
pirated MS products, according to the article, is different.

And again, I don't see anything different - they go after pirates, even
pirates in other countries.

 

[Alias]

False - completely.


Actually, as about half my workstations are running Fedora, the only
justification you have for that is your incessant hate of all things
Microsoft. I don't care what vendor does what, but misinformation is
always a bad thing - and stating that MS is doing something different is
misinformation.


And again, I don't see anything different - they go after pirates, even
pirates in other countries.

You're in a dream world.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

You're in a dream world.

From an article posted in 2004

Vendor giant warns channel off counterfeit software after jailing of
pirates. Microsoft has again warned the channel to steer clear of
illegal software after two members of Europe's largest software
counterfeiting ring were sent to jail.

A German court recently sentenced the father of notorious software
pirate Ralph Blasek, himself jailed for five years in July 2003, to 16
months' imprisonment for selling counterfeit software and infringing
Microsoft copyright. Another member of the gang received a three-year
sentence.

Alex Hilton, Microsoft UK license compliance manager, said: "The pirates
are getting cleverer. Many are now selling their software close to the
price of legal software, so it is easy for firms to be duped. But we
reiterate our message to always buy from authorized sources."

Hilton said that if Microsoft obtains a list of the resellers that
bought from the gang, it will follow up the leads. "This won't
necessarily be with a view to prosecuting, but more to educate those
partners," he said.

Earlier this year a joint study by IDC and the Business Software
Alliance (BSA) revealed that software piracy in the UK is costing $1.6bn
a year.

Ross Miller, managing director of VAR Trustmarque Solutions, disagreed
that firms were being duped. "Every reseller knows it can go to an
authorized distributor and get a reasonable price," he said.

===
Strange that you still hang on the idea that MS doesn't go after
pirates, yet the FACTS dispute your statements.

 

[Alias]

From an article posted in 2004

Vendor giant warns channel off counterfeit software after jailing of
pirates. Microsoft has again warned the channel to steer clear of
illegal software after two members of Europe's largest software
counterfeiting ring were sent to jail.

A German court recently sentenced the father of notorious software
pirate Ralph Blasek, himself jailed for five years in July 2003, to 16
months' imprisonment for selling counterfeit software and infringing
Microsoft copyright. Another member of the gang received a three-year
sentence.

Alex Hilton, Microsoft UK license compliance manager, said: "The pirates
are getting cleverer. Many are now selling their software close to the
price of legal software, so it is easy for firms to be duped. But we
reiterate our message to always buy from authorized sources."

Hilton said that if Microsoft obtains a list of the resellers that
bought from the gang, it will follow up the leads. "This won't
necessarily be with a view to prosecuting, but more to educate those
partners," he said.

Earlier this year a joint study by IDC and the Business Software
Alliance (BSA) revealed that software piracy in the UK is costing $1.6bn
a year.

Ross Miller, managing director of VAR Trustmarque Solutions, disagreed
that firms were being duped. "Every reseller knows it can go to an
authorized distributor and get a reasonable price," he said.

===
Strange that you still hang on the idea that MS doesn't go after
pirates, yet the FACTS dispute your statements.

Please read for content, although I have my doubts that you can. The
article I posted says they are going after *on line* distributors *for
the first time*. Interesting, however, how MS went after its own paying
customers with WPA looooooooooooooong before 2004.

You, of course, can't post anything from pre XP other than lip service
because it doesn't exist.

Fact: MS allowed piracy in order to monopolize the market. Ergo, MS owes
all the pirates a favor big time because without them, they would have
never gotten to where they are.

Fact: No MS wants to cash in and is doing it at the expense of their
paying customers as is evidenced by their flawed anti piracy programs
and the new Vista EULA which proves they don't care about the beta
testing group that helped them get where they are.

Fact: I don't like that and will going for Linux very soon.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Please read for content, although I have my doubts that you can. The
article I posted says they are going after *on line* distributors *for
the first time*. Interesting, however, how MS went after its own paying
customers with WPA looooooooooooooong before 2004.

You, of course, can't post anything from pre XP other than lip service
because it doesn't exist.

Fact: MS allowed piracy in order to monopolize the market. Ergo, MS owes
all the pirates a favor big time because without them, they would have
never gotten to where they are.

Fact: No MS wants to cash in and is doing it at the expense of their
paying customers as is evidenced by their flawed anti piracy programs
and the new Vista EULA which proves they don't care about the beta
testing group that helped them get where they are.

Fact: You have no factual basis for your assertions.

Fact: You have been provided proof that MS goes after pirates, the form
the pirates use to distribute means nothing, and you've been proven
wrong again.

Fact: I don't like that and will going for Linux very soon.

Fact: You will still come here to b1tch and complain about MS.

 

[Alias]

Fact: You have no factual basis for your assertions.

Of course I do. You just have nothing other than a lame ad hominem to
refute me.

Fact: You have been provided proof that MS goes after pirates, the form
the pirates use to distribute means nothing, and you've been proven
wrong again.

No, you said that going after on line distributors wasn't new. It is.

Fact: You will still come here to b1tch and complain about MS.

I doubt it. If I'm not using Windows, there is no need to waste my time
and have to deal with people like you who can't read for content and
have no grasp of logic.

Alias

 

[caver1]

From an article posted in 2004

Vendor giant warns channel off counterfeit software after jailing of
pirates. Microsoft has again warned the channel to steer clear of
illegal software after two members of Europe's largest software
counterfeiting ring were sent to jail.

A German court recently sentenced the father of notorious software
pirate Ralph Blasek, himself jailed for five years in July 2003, to 16
months' imprisonment for selling counterfeit software and infringing
Microsoft copyright. Another member of the gang received a three-year
sentence.

Alex Hilton, Microsoft UK license compliance manager, said: "The pirates
are getting cleverer. Many are now selling their software close to the
price of legal software, so it is easy for firms to be duped. But we
reiterate our message to always buy from authorized sources."

Hilton said that if Microsoft obtains a list of the resellers that
bought from the gang, it will follow up the leads. "This won't
necessarily be with a view to prosecuting, but more to educate those
partners," he said.

Earlier this year a joint study by IDC and the Business Software
Alliance (BSA) revealed that software piracy in the UK is costing $1.6bn
a year.

Ross Miller, managing director of VAR Trustmarque Solutions, disagreed
that firms were being duped. "Every reseller knows it can go to an
authorized distributor and get a reasonable price," he said.

===
Strange that you still hang on the idea that MS doesn't go after
pirates, yet the FACTS dispute your statements.

Yes they do but maybe someone needs to check MS. If you doubt check into
the patent infrigment case AT&T brought against MS and MS's resoning as
to why they shouldn't be held liable for all of it.

 

[DanS]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=200
6-10-31T082005Z_01_L31884884_RTRIDST_0_TECH-MICROSOFT-URGENT.XML&rpc=66
&type=qcna

Yes, MS, this is the correct way, not forcing your paying customers to
prove their innocence and assuming they are guilty.

Alias

So they are going after 55 sellers that were accused of selling counterfeit
copies of MS software. Big deal. That's a miniscule piece of the pie.

IMO, the vast majority of pirating is done either by sharing copies of
purchased software with people you know, OR through Usenet & filesharing.

Putting out 55 sellers will do NOTHING.

 

[Alias]

So they are going after 55 sellers that were accused of selling counterfeit
copies of MS software. Big deal. That's a miniscule piece of the pie.

IMO, the vast majority of pirating is done either by sharing copies of
purchased software with people you know, OR through Usenet & filesharing.

Putting out 55 sellers will do NOTHING.

What do you suggest?

Alias

 

[DanS]

What do you suggest?

Alias

I suggest massive price reduction.......XP Home - $39....XP Pro - $49. So
then, when Carey says 'You have to go out and buy (another) full retail
copy of XP', you'll only be out another $50 at most if you listen to him.

I also suggest OEM's not be allowed to butcher the OS to fit their needs,
and pay the same $39/$49 per copy.(which is probably not much less than
they pay now, I have no clue.)

DanS

 

[Alias]

I suggest massive price reduction.......XP Home - $39....XP Pro - $49. So
then, when Carey says 'You have to go out and buy (another) full retail
copy of XP', you'll only be out another $50 at most if you listen to him.

I also suggest OEM's not be allowed to butcher the OS to fit their needs,
and pay the same $39/$49 per copy.(which is probably not much less than
they pay now, I have no clue.)

DanS

Yeah, but the fanboys will say that people will pirate them, even if
they're 1 dollar. I agree with you. Make the profit margin marginal for
professional pirates and you'll cure most of the problem and benefit
greatly from customer satisfaction which would lead to a lot less
"casual piracy".

Alias

 

[Leythos]

No, you said that going after on line distributors wasn't new. It is.

Oh, bs, what a bunch of crap. They are going after pirates, it doesn't
make any difference if they are online or off-line, they are still going
after pirates - the method of pirated distribution makes no difference -
they are still, and have been, going after pirates.