Finally - a C84 success story to avoid their premature death

J

Jan Alter

By last December I was fed up with the six C84 printers in our school.
Only one of them was still running without a clog. The other five had
partial clogs of either the black or colors that I had put into service
within the past year and a half. What was more painful to bear was that I
still had another ten new C84 printers sitting in unopened boxes that I had
expected to place into service into class rooms. I started to think about
the eventual printer death disaster and waste of money. What was further
pain to this was that the previous summer I had bought two of these printers
for my two kids at home. One was already clogged completely and the other
had a partially clogged black. Both were still on their OEM cartridges
within less than a year's use.

With each printer that clogged I had tried the Windex annointment of the
docking sponges. I tried alchohol/ammonia concoctions into the printheads.
I'd inspected the waste tubes for clogging. None of it worked. Once the head
on a C84 clogged, I began to realize, it was the simple death of the
printer. I'd read many times from this newsgroup about the Epson Dura-brite
ink problems and was convinced that to use the Dura-brite was essentially to
be feeding the printer poison despite all the wonderful benefits Epson
espoused of this pigment ink; mainly being permanence, light fastness, water
resistance.

I got in touch with MIS, a company that made aftermarket ink, and asked if
they could recommend a dye base ink for the C84. They did, with no
guarantees, and over the next three months I started three new C84 printers
with that ink that I loaded into their spongeless cartridges, along with a
chip resetter to allow refilling them. Up to June they all ran fine and then
sat for the summer for more than ten weeks without running.

Today all three of them were run and they all work fine. One had to have one
cleaning cycle run before it gave a good nozzle check pattern. So what I'm
concluding is that the C84 and C86 can both be assured a long life, along
with any other Epson printers that use the Dura-brite inks, by switching
over to dye base. There are some paper limitations imposed by switching to a
different ink and the printer software, but for decent color printing in the
class room and everyday text printing these machines give pretty decent
results. Obviously it will be more work for me to have to refill the
cartridges, but with the spongeless cartridge design it goes very fast and
these machines will become cheaper to run than any aftermarket cartridges I
could ever buy
 
Y

Yianni

It's known that pigment ink (durabrite) dries 20 times faster than dye. It
also is 20 times water and fade resistant than dye. But if it clogs the
head, 50 times less possibility to unclog.

So, it depends on the use what printer (and ink) someone would use. E.g.
there is the alternative R245 that works with four dye inks, or the R200/300
series printers that work with six dye inks (R220, R340, etc).
 
A

Arthur Entlich

I think you have done a great service to the readers of this newsgroup
by sharing your experiences and offering them the options you discovered
to avoid the clogging failures with the C and probably CX printers.

I suspected for a long time that the problem was not the inherent design
of these printers, but the Durabrite ink formulation in tandem with
these printers. Of course, the advantage of the Durabrite inks is lost
somewhat with dye inks (permanence without fading, immediate waterproof
nature, etc.)

The only thing I would like to add is this. I do not question your
personal experiences with trying to unclog the heads of these printers,
and I also know some people are not successful in unclogging the heads
of C and CX printers using Durabrite inks, however, I can tell you from
the feedback I get that a lot of people are successful in doing so using
the same chemicals you mention. Perhaps, their printers were not quite
as far gone as the ones you deal with, or other factors unknown at this
time are involved, but I don't want people thinking C and CX printers
using Durabrite inks are beyond unclogging, because that hasn't been the
statistical experience I encounter.

So, to avoid the problem to begin with, yes, switch to dye inks, but if
you get a clog, it is still worthwhile looking into unclogging methods.

Art
 
D

Dick Adams

Jan Alter said:
... with the spongeless cartridge design it goes very fast ...

Is that spongeless cartridge the one that comes with the printer,
or an aftermarket design? Is the refilling procedure posted?
 
J

Jan Alter

Is that spongeless cartridge the one that comes with the printer,
or an aftermarket design? Is the refilling procedure posted?


... with the spongeless cartridge design it goes very fast ...



I think Art may have mentioned that the spongeless variety is what Epson is
now using. But from the way it's been advertised I believe it to be an
aftermarket design. You can see pictures of it at www.inksupply.com (MIS).
Look under Epson cartridges. Yes, the refilling procedure is posted there as
well.
 
R

Richard Steinfeld

Please make certain that you specify the manufacturer in the headings of
all posts!!!!
 
J

Jan Alter

Richard Steinfeld said:
Please make certain that you specify the manufacturer in the headings of
all posts!!!!

The C84 is an Epson printer that has the dubious reputation of clogging
itself to death quite frequently because of the Durabrite ink it uses. This
problem extends itself to the C86 and several other multifunction Epsons
using the ink.
Actually most folks who follow printing, at least on this newsgroup, seem
pretty well aware of who make the C84 without naming its manufacturer. One
could easily Google for the answer as well.

This isn't a measekite question, is it?
 
R

Richard Steinfeld

Jan said:
The C84 is an Epson printer that has the dubious reputation of clogging
itself to death quite frequently because of the Durabrite ink it uses. This
problem extends itself to the C86 and several other multifunction Epsons
using the ink.
Actually most folks who follow printing, at least on this newsgroup, seem
pretty well aware of who make the C84 without naming its manufacturer. One
could easily Google for the answer as well.

Thanks for the explanation.
I have an 850c, a 940c, a 1200, a 12i, a 2000 and a 9230.

One is welcome to Google away all night for these, too.

Or, I could extend the courtesy of simply naming the manufacturers.
That's my point. I'm not sure that most people on this group would know
who makes the C84, because most of the traffic in this group, in fact,
seem to really be about Canons. Anyway, that's what I'm asking.

I'm into printers, but not _these_ printers (Canons, Epsons).
This isn't a measekite question, is it?

No. It's a _me_ question. After all, Measkite knows everything and never
has to ask: he doesn't need anything. He knows that he does not
appreciate "relabelers." He is unique in this knowledge, always warning
everyone to avoid relabelers. Actually, what he does not realize is that
it's extremely easy for all of us to avoid relabelers (for one simple
reason: there aren't any!).

But it's been really difficult for me to try to figure out what people
are talking about by plowing through the headers -- I guess that some
folks think that this is a Canon group and just identify their printers
by their model numbers as if everyone already knows. That's the reason.
I'm not used to people doing this with Epsons so much. If people
indicate up front both the brand as well as the model, it saves people
like me a whole lot of irrelevant digging through the content. Everyone
who comes here is not "most folks."

Oh, my printers are: two HP inkjets, a Brother laser, and an OKI LED
printer, plus two Panasonic dot printers. I hope that you understand.

Thanks.

Richard
 
M

Martin ©¿©¬ somewhere

I think Art may have mentioned that the spongeless variety is what Epson is
now using. But from the way it's been advertised I believe it to be an
aftermarket design. You can see pictures of it at www.inksupply.com (MIS).
Look under Epson cartridges. Yes, the refilling procedure is posted there as
well.

Any UK suppliers ?
 
D

Dick Adams

Jan Alter said:
I think Art may have mentioned that the spongeless variety is what Epson is
now using. But from the way it's been advertised I believe it to be an
aftermarket design. You can see pictures of it at www.inksupply.com (MIS).
Look under Epson cartridges. Yes, the refilling procedure is posted there as
well.

I have a C80 which I have not used much, and am now starting out with
MIS's refill kit which has half-sponge cartridges and pigment inks. So
far (several weeks) it is working well. Previously I had several clogs
which were removed by moist bottom wiping, according to the usual
procedure. I like the idea of 4 inks because more seems too many.
Archival inks please me also. The idea of completely spongeless
cartridges seems good, but there is no news that they are available for
the C80. Apparently the cartridges for C80 differ from C84 cartridges.

The OEM C80 cartridges are spongeless labyrinthine and reportedly
very difficult to refill.

Regards C84 etc. cartridges, it would seem that if Epson were now
using spongeless ones, MIS would not be selling spongeless replacements,
unless, of course, the OEM ones were a bitch to fill.

Thank you for your response.
 
I

Impmon

I got in touch with MIS, a company that made aftermarket ink, and asked if
they could recommend a dye base ink for the C84. They did, with no
guarantees, and over the next three months I started three new C84 printers
with that ink that I loaded into their spongeless cartridges, along with a
chip resetter to allow refilling them. Up to June they all ran fine and then
sat for the summer for more than ten weeks without running.

And cue Measkite the troll fuming abnd ranting that using generic ink
will ruin the printer and insist you stick to OEM ink. just ignore
the said troll, he's under the delusion that the world will end if too
many used non OEM inks.
 
M

Martin ©¿©¬ somewhere

I have a C80 which I have not used much, and am now starting out with
MIS's refill kit which has half-sponge cartridges and pigment inks. So
far (several weeks) it is working well.
Previously I had several clogs which were removed by moist bottom wiping,

I'm sure that was uncomfortable <GRIN>

Sorry I couldn't resist !!
 
P

polymorph

Richard said:
Thanks for the explanation.
I have an 850c, a 940c, a 1200, a 12i, a 2000 and a 9230.

One is welcome to Google away all night for these, too.

Or, I could extend the courtesy of simply naming the manufacturers.
That's my point. I'm not sure that most people on this group would know
who makes the C84, because most of the traffic in this group, in fact,
seem to really be about Canons. Anyway, that's what I'm asking.

I'm into printers, but not _these_ printers (Canons, Epsons).

I think this is a "me, too" post.

I got a voicemail today from someone who said she bought a "1200" from
me a few years ago and is only now getting around to setting it up, and
can she get help? Well, I've sold an Amiga 1200 (an old computer) and
an Epson 1200 a couple years ago.

And I have a bunch of Epson 3000s, Amiga 3000s, and an HP 3000cp.
Whoops, I also have a Canon BJC 3000 I haven't cleaned up yet.

If I'm asking a question, I think expecting someone else to have to
Google for the priviledge of helping me is going to cut down on my
chances of getting assistance.

Steve Greenfield
 
A

Arthur Entlich

Epson's current models are indeed "spongeless", at least for the
individual ink type. However, the design also makes refilling difficult
without drilling or melting holes in them, and even with that, the fill
isn't complete.

Some newer 3rd party cartridges are also spongeless but are designed to
be refilled easily and fully.

Art
 
R

Richard Steinfeld

These are the numbers of our jokes for today. They'll crack you up.

Richard
(I'm still laughing)
 
A

Arthur Entlich

650 is the best of the bunch. I'm a bit put off by 25, and 13 is just
silly. 270 is not for a family audience, so be careful.

Art
 

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