files deleted over a network-missing

[john matousek]

Using a Win98se machine on a small network, I deleted
(mistakenly) three files on a Win XP Pro SP1 machine. Now
I can't find them to restore them. They didn't go the the
Recycle Bin on either machine. But even using two
different data recovery programs there is no sign they
ever existed on the XP machine. Using data recovery I can
restore files deleted two years ago but not three from
today. They probably weren't overwritten since I did the
data recovery almost immediately.
I tried again with a dummy file and it also
disappeared. What happens to files deleted over a network?

Thanks

 

[Cari \(MS MVP\)]

As you discovered they do NOT go into the Recycle Bin. Moral of the
story....be careful who you give permissions to! In this case unfortunately
you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[John Matousek]

Actually the moral of the story is don't reply to a
post unless you have something relevant to say. I was not
asking for, nor is one relevant, a BS lecture on
permissions and I never tried to blame anyone but me.
I was looking for some logic, some information. Doh,
I know they don't go to the Recycle Bin. Do YOU know why?
Do YOU know why they seem to have never existed at all?
Obviously not.
It seems to me your "printing, imaging & hardware"
expertise might better be confined to those areas.
Basically, you showed how much you don't know.
MVP (Most Vapid Person) (Websters: vapid: woman,
obsessed by her own elegance)
Anyone have some real input?

 

[Kelly]

Hi John,

I noted that you mentioned using data recovery. You didn't mention
which.....

If you haven't already, I would suggest using (as I have used many of their
great programs):
www.winternals.com/products/repairandrecovery/filerestore.asp

This utility recovers files deleted from any Windows XP/2000/NT/Me/9x system
regardless of whether emptied from the Recycle Bin, deleted via a command
prompt or with a removed directory, by a remote process or uninstall, etc.
It's designed to be effective regardless of whether installed before or
after an accidental deletion.

You may find more helpful information here and good luck:
http://tinyurl.com/2uejo

 

[Plato]

Anyone have some real input?

Sure. Yellow Pages | Computer | Repair And Service

Get a tech over to your location asap before you totally phark up what's
left of your system.

 

[Kelly]

Erhm, Ed.....you run a professional site that has helped thousands and
thousands of users get their system back up and running, yet you are going
to dawg a user for deleting three files?

What kind of message is that sending out for those who need and utilize your
services, that we promote here? Evidently they deleted one heck of a lot
more than three files to seek your useful downloads, right?

 

[francis gerard]

Actually the moral of the story is don't reply to a
post unless you have something relevant to say. I was not
asking for, nor is one relevant, a BS lecture on
permissions and I never tried to blame anyone but me.
I was looking for some logic, some information. Doh,
I know they don't go to the Recycle Bin. Do YOU know why?
Do YOU know why they seem to have never existed at all?
Obviously not.
It seems to me your "printing, imaging & hardware"
expertise might better be confined to those areas.
Basically, you showed how much you don't know.
MVP (Most Vapid Person) (Websters: vapid: woman,
obsessed by her own elegance)

hear! hear! all these people with MS inititals after their names, what a
bunch of jokers, and suddenly they're an 'expert'... yet they rarely seem to
have anything of real value to offer. advertising their initials is
irritating, considering that many of them simply can't diagnose real-world
computer problems, let alone troubleshoot their way out of a cardboard box.
imho ;-)

btw... MVP, Most Valuable Professional, basically means you're a whore for
microsoft. the MVPs that i've met weren't qualified to give expert
technical advice to a slug. i suppose there are a few who know what they're
doing, but that hasn't been my experience.

Anyone have some real input?

yes... there are utilities that can recover the files, as you are probably
aware of at this point. if not... let me know.

 

[john matousek]

Kelly,thanks for your defense,
Following up on an earlier email I sent you, I tried
the recovery program you mentioned but it did not find
the missing files. But I got a copy of Ontrack's Easy
Recovery Pro 6.3 and it found the files and is now
restoring them. R-Studio also found them but it was a
demo & wouldn't restore large files.
Now for Plato who knows it all. According to your
post, Ed of Bootlist.com is the real name of Yellow
Pages 'Plato'. In his Bootlist newsletter #147 (April
2004) I found these three incredibly simple questions
from him:
"Plato posts and Thor answers: 1. Lets say you have a
3 PC home network and share your cable access. Does each
PC get its own IP address? 2. How about a 200 person
office with each workstation having acs to the internet
via their server's connection. Does each workstation get
it's own IP address whilst on the Internet? 3. Suppose
you have a domain on a host and in your stats page you
see 200 visits per day from the same IP address day in
and day out and the bytes transferred tells you that no
way is this one person but if you divide bytes by users
it comes up to lets say what an average user will pull on
a single visit. How can these 200 "users" be using the
same IP address?"
Plato/Ed doesn't know what NAT is? I've been using
gateway/routers with NAT for over five years and I only
have a little 8 machine network in my house-hardly
cutting edge. Plato, I think you should hold onto your
Yellow Pages for dear life, you seem to need it more than
I do.
Thanks again for you help Kelly, I think I'll go back
to working out problems on my own-like I've been doing
for 10 years. Life's too short to waste time on people
like Cari, Plato and Francis.
"It is better not to post and be thought stupid than
to post and thus confirm it."

John Matousek

 

[Plato]

Erhm, Ed.....you run a professional site that has helped thousands and
thousands of users get their system back up and running, yet you are going

First off, thanks. Much appreciated comment.

On average, I help fix 22,000 computers per day. Sometimes the best
and/or easiest way to fix your PC cant be found in the Intenet tho.
Sometimes one needs a real pro at the pcs location to get up and runing
asap.

For example. My mom called me the other day from Florida and was having
problems staying on the Internet. She told me the error message and I
immediatly noticed it was one of the older trojans. It would take me an
entire day to walk her though how to boot to safe mode and delete the
files from a dos box. She has ZERO experience typing in "command" line
commands. She is 100% mouse trained [grin]

Added to that, her PC came with NTFS by default which makes it harder to
tweak files.

I do love you, you know

 

[Plato]

ps I did a search. Found a local PC repair business, and paypalled 40
bucks over to him.
He came to my moms townhouse and fixed the system in 10 minutes.

 

[Plato]

hear! hear! all these people with MS inititals after their names, what a
bunch of jokers, and suddenly they're an 'expert'... yet they rarely seem to
have anything of real value to offer. advertising their initials is

You're an idiot who has no real knowledge of how to fix XP PCs or judge
what's good or bad advice. In general, the advice from the MS-MVPs is
extremely valuable.

 

[Kelly]

First off, thanks. Much appreciated comment.

Most welcome. )

She has ZERO experience typing in "command" line
commands. She is 100% mouse trained [grin]

Time to break her in?

Added to that, her PC came with NTFS by default which makes it harder to
tweak files.

I haven't really found that to be true, in my case.

I do love you, you know

Well thanks for that, I didn't know!!! <w>

Erhm, Ed.....you run a professional site that has helped thousands and
thousands of users get their system back up and running, yet you are
going

First off, thanks. Much appreciated comment.

On average, I help fix 22,000 computers per day. Sometimes the best
and/or easiest way to fix your PC cant be found in the Intenet tho.
Sometimes one needs a real pro at the pcs location to get up and runing
asap.

For example. My mom called me the other day from Florida and was having
problems staying on the Internet. She told me the error message and I
immediatly noticed it was one of the older trojans. It would take me an
entire day to walk her though how to boot to safe mode and delete the
files from a dos box. She has ZERO experience typing in "command" line
commands. She is 100% mouse trained [grin]

Added to that, her PC came with NTFS by default which makes it harder to
tweak files.

I do love you, you know

 

[Kelly]

Most welcome.

But I got a copy of Ontrack's Easy Recovery Pro 6.3 and it found the files
and is now
restoring them.

Great, glad to know for others. Thanks for the feedback. )



Kelly,thanks for your defense,
Following up on an earlier email I sent you, I tried
the recovery program you mentioned but it did not find
the missing files. But I got a copy of Ontrack's Easy
Recovery Pro 6.3 and it found the files and is now
restoring them. R-Studio also found them but it was a
demo & wouldn't restore large files.
Now for Plato who knows it all. According to your
post, Ed of Bootlist.com is the real name of Yellow
Pages 'Plato'. In his Bootlist newsletter #147 (April
2004) I found these three incredibly simple questions
from him:
"Plato posts and Thor answers: 1. Lets say you have a
3 PC home network and share your cable access. Does each
PC get its own IP address? 2. How about a 200 person
office with each workstation having acs to the internet
via their server's connection. Does each workstation get
it's own IP address whilst on the Internet? 3. Suppose
you have a domain on a host and in your stats page you
see 200 visits per day from the same IP address day in
and day out and the bytes transferred tells you that no
way is this one person but if you divide bytes by users
it comes up to lets say what an average user will pull on
a single visit. How can these 200 "users" be using the
same IP address?"
Plato/Ed doesn't know what NAT is? I've been using
gateway/routers with NAT for over five years and I only
have a little 8 machine network in my house-hardly
cutting edge. Plato, I think you should hold onto your
Yellow Pages for dear life, you seem to need it more than
I do.
Thanks again for you help Kelly, I think I'll go back
to working out problems on my own-like I've been doing
for 10 years. Life's too short to waste time on people
like Cari, Plato and Francis.
"It is better not to post and be thought stupid than
to post and thus confirm it."

John Matousek

 

[francis gerard]

You're an idiot who has no real knowledge of how to fix XP PCs or judge
what's good or bad advice. In general, the advice from the MS-MVPs is
extremely valuable.

ghee... that's news to me. after all, i've only been a systems admin and an
NT network administrator for years, and been building servers and
workstations for even longer. not to mention, my extensive background in
electronics, but let's move on...

oh, and for the record, i did the MCSE+I, but you won't see those ubiquitous
MS initials appended to my signature to prop up my credibility or as
evidence of my technical abilities, which for MVPs is exaggerated, at best.

yawn...