Deleted files don't go to Delete Folder

[Adela]

[MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Free; Dell
Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; Windows
Media Player; Adobe Reader 9.3.3; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..]

Hello, in one of my Identities, when I delete files from the "Inbox" folder,
instead of going to the "Delete" folder, they go straight to the,
supposedly, "Recycle Bin". I say "supposedly" because when I went to the
Recycle Bin to retrieve them (I had mistakenly deleted all "Inbox" files!),
the Bin showed to be empty!

I had noticed this since a couple of weeks or so but since I meant to delete
them permanently before, I didn't bother trying to fix the problem.

Rather than trying to retrieve them at this time, I'd like now to know how
to fix this problem before it does it again...when I delete by mistake.
Anyone with suggestions please?

Anticipating my big thanks! Adela

 

[VanguardLH]

[MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Free; Dell
Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; Windows
Media Player; Adobe Reader 9.3.3; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..]

Hello, in one of my Identities, when I delete files from the "Inbox" folder,
instead of going to the "Delete" folder, they go straight to the,
supposedly, "Recycle Bin". I say "supposedly" because when I went to the
Recycle Bin to retrieve them (I had mistakenly deleted all "Inbox" files!),
the Bin showed to be empty!

I had noticed this since a couple of weeks or so but since I meant to delete
them permanently before, I didn't bother trying to fix the problem.

Rather than trying to retrieve them at this time, I'd like now to know how
to fix this problem before it does it again...when I delete by mistake.
Anyone with suggestions please?

Anticipating my big thanks! Adela

There are no files for items in OE6. Each folder shown in the
hierarchical tree is a file on the hard disk. That file containing the
folder holds all the items in that folder. These are database files.
If you delete the entire folder which deletes the file for it on the
hard disk (after you exit OE) then that database file would show up in
the Recycle Bin. If you delete items within that folder, you are merely
updating the database file for that folder. Since the folder was not
deleted then it won't be in the Recycle Bin.

OE folder = disk file
OE item = record inside the disk file

Deleting an item merely flags that record with a Deleted status in the
database file. The file itself (for the folder) never got deleted.

For OE question, it has its own newsgroup at:
microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

 

[Bruce Hagen]

[MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Free; Dell
Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; Windows
Media Player; Adobe Reader 9.3.3; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..]

Hello, in one of my Identities, when I delete files from the "Inbox"
folder, instead of going to the "Delete" folder, they go straight to
the, supposedly, "Recycle Bin". I say "supposedly" because when I went
to the Recycle Bin to retrieve them (I had mistakenly deleted all
"Inbox" files!), the Bin showed to be empty!

I had noticed this since a couple of weeks or so but since I meant to
delete them permanently before, I didn't bother trying to fix the
problem.

Rather than trying to retrieve them at this time, I'd like now to know
how to fix this problem before it does it again...when I delete by
mistake. Anyone with suggestions please?

Anticipating my big thanks! Adela

Just to add to Vanguard's reply. Huh? The only things that go to the
Recycle Bin in OE are .dbx files when deleted from the message store.

 

[Adela]

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't understand
that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox (not the Inbox
folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the other Identities?
One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from the Delete folder....
any ideas?

Vanguard, this: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general newsgroup is one of
the groups that disappeared from my OE, and I was pleasantly surprised to
see that this one is still on...because I tried Google and none of the
results focused on this particular problem (not going to Delete folder).

Thanks again. Adela

[MS WinXP Home 2002 - SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Free; Dell
Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; Windows
Media Player; Adobe Reader 9.3.3; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..]

Hello, in one of my Identities, when I delete files from the "Inbox"
folder, instead of going to the "Delete" folder, they go straight to the,
supposedly, "Recycle Bin". I say "supposedly" because when I went to the
Recycle Bin to retrieve them (I had mistakenly deleted all "Inbox"
files!), the Bin showed to be empty!

I had noticed this since a couple of weeks or so but since I meant to
delete them permanently before, I didn't bother trying to fix the
problem.

Rather than trying to retrieve them at this time, I'd like now to know
how to fix this problem before it does it again...when I delete by
mistake. Anyone with suggestions please?

Anticipating my big thanks! Adela

Just to add to Vanguard's reply. Huh? The only things that go to the
Recycle Bin in OE are .dbx files when deleted from the message store.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox
(not the Inbox folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the
other Identities? One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from
the Delete folder.... any ideas?

In Deleted Items: View | Current View. Is Show All Messages checked? If it
is, make sure you have no messages in Deleted Items that you want and
close OE. Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx. Open OE
and you will have a new one. Does it work now?

If not, create a new identity and test it. If that works, import your
messages from this identity. The current one may be damaged.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA



<snip>

 

[VanguardLH]

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't understand
that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox (not the Inbox
folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the other Identities?
One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from the Delete folder....
any ideas?

Do you have the option to remove items from the Deleted Items folder
when you exit OE?

Are you using Shift+Del to do permanent deletes (instead of using just
the Del key which doesn't delete but actually moves items to the Deleted
Items folder)?

Are you using a view (for the Deleted Items folder) that hides 'read'
items?

Vanguard, this: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general newsgroup is one of
the groups that disappeared from my OE, and I was pleasantly surprised to
see that this one is still on...because I tried Google and none of the
results focused on this particular problem (not going to Delete folder).

Microsoft is scrambling away from Usenet. That means they are also
abandoning their Communities webnews-for-boobs gateway to Usenet.
Microsoft is not Usenet. Usenet will survive despite the loss of
Microsoft. The microsoft.public.* newsgroups will continue to survive
albeit with much less traffic as the noobs migrate to Microsoft's inane
Answers web-based forums. Since Microsoft is dropping newsgroups from
*their* NNTP server (and eventually will kill their NNTP server) along
with killing off the matching gatewayed Communities "forums", you will
have to use a DIFFERENT server than the one provided by Microsoft.
There are LOTS of free and paid NSPs (newsgroup service providers), like
Albasani, Eternal-September, individual.net, and Giganews. You can ask
in the alt.free.newsservers group for suggestions on a replacement NNTP
server (but you'll need to connect to a different NNTP server to ask
there since Microsoft's NNTP server *only* carries [and is dropping]
just the microsoft.public.* groups).

Both Albasani and Eternal-September are free NSPs but you have to
register to get an account. The account is free but you register to get
login credentials to use that free account. AIOE is free but is
frequently down and also employs non-standard anti-abuse policies that
can cause problems with using his NNTP server. Teranews has a free
server (well, after you pay a registration fee, that is) but is often
down, unresponsive, or very slow. individual.net is ran by a univerity
in Berlin, Germany and costs ~$16USD (10 euro) per year. These are
text-only NSPs. Giganews is a commercial NSP that includes binary
groups but costs a lot more. There are other NSPs, like EasyNews.

 

[Adela]

Thanks again Bruce, I found the Message Store but it showed only one file
and didn't remember how to find the other Identity files..

So I tried going to Windows Explorer. Under Identities on the left column
it shows 7 files! (I actually have only 4!). I double clicked on the same
Identities in Win Explorer, and it showed at the right column 8 files with
their yellow folder icons. How did they double themselves??? lol! And
how do I know which is which? Obviously I have 3 or 4 too many!

Please tell me how to find the problem Identity so I can then find the
Deleted folder, delete it, and the system can replace it?

Sorry to be so dumb! Adela

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox
(not the Inbox folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the
other Identities? One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from
the Delete folder.... any ideas?

In Deleted Items: View | Current View. Is Show All Messages checked? If it
is, make sure you have no messages in Deleted Items that you want and
close OE. Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx. Open OE
and you will have a new one. Does it work now?

If not, create a new identity and test it. If that works, import your
messages from this identity. The current one may be damaged.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA



<snip>

 

[Adela]

Do you have the option to remove items from the Deleted Items folder

when you exit OE?

YES, I just checked the box though I always empty it when I exit.

Are you using Shift+Del to do permanent deletes (instead of using just
the Del key which doesn't delete but actually moves items to the Deleted
Items folder)?

NO, never did. That's why I'm puzzled.

Are you using a view (for the Deleted Items folder) that hides 'read'
items?

NO, I always keep this option NOT to hide.

Thanks Vanguard, and also for reminding me to install one of the programs
you suggest for another USENET. I'm having several home problems right now
and so I put this on a back burner...until I get a computer crisis. )
I'll try to do it as soon as I can.

Meantime I can't even remember how to find and delete my problem Identity in
the Message Store so I could delete the Deleted folder and let the system
replace it. Especially since I have only 4 identities, but it shows...8!!!
I'm pulling my hairs! < :-(((( Adela

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand
that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox (not the
Inbox
folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the other Identities?
One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from the Delete
folder....
any ideas?

Do you have the option to remove items from the Deleted Items folder
when you exit OE?

Are you using Shift+Del to do permanent deletes (instead of using just
the Del key which doesn't delete but actually moves items to the Deleted
Items folder)?

Are you using a view (for the Deleted Items folder) that hides 'read'
items?

Vanguard, this: microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general newsgroup is one
of
the groups that disappeared from my OE, and I was pleasantly surprised to
see that this one is still on...because I tried Google and none of the
results focused on this particular problem (not going to Delete folder).

Microsoft is scrambling away from Usenet. That means they are also
abandoning their Communities webnews-for-boobs gateway to Usenet.
Microsoft is not Usenet. Usenet will survive despite the loss of
Microsoft. The microsoft.public.* newsgroups will continue to survive
albeit with much less traffic as the noobs migrate to Microsoft's inane
Answers web-based forums. Since Microsoft is dropping newsgroups from
*their* NNTP server (and eventually will kill their NNTP server) along
with killing off the matching gatewayed Communities "forums", you will
have to use a DIFFERENT server than the one provided by Microsoft.
There are LOTS of free and paid NSPs (newsgroup service providers), like
Albasani, Eternal-September, individual.net, and Giganews. You can ask
in the alt.free.newsservers group for suggestions on a replacement NNTP
server (but you'll need to connect to a different NNTP server to ask
there since Microsoft's NNTP server *only* carries [and is dropping]
just the microsoft.public.* groups).

Both Albasani and Eternal-September are free NSPs but you have to
register to get an account. The account is free but you register to get
login credentials to use that free account. AIOE is free but is
frequently down and also employs non-standard anti-abuse policies that
can cause problems with using his NNTP server. Teranews has a free
server (well, after you pay a registration fee, that is) but is often
down, unresponsive, or very slow. individual.net is ran by a univerity
in Berlin, Germany and costs ~$16USD (10 euro) per year. These are
text-only NSPs. Giganews is a commercial NSP that includes binary
groups but costs a lot more. There are other NSPs, like EasyNews.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

In Deleted Items: View | Current View. Is Show All Messages checked? If
it is, make sure you have no messages in Deleted Items that you want and
close OE. Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx. Open OE
and you will have a new one. Does it work now?

If not, create a new identity and test it. If that works, import your
messages from this identity. The current one may be damaged.

Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder will reveal the location of
your Outlook Express files. Write the location down and navigate to it in
Windows Explorer or, copy and paste it into Start | Run.

In WinXP, Win2K & Win2K3, the OE user files (DBX and WAB) are by default
marked as hidden. To view these files in Windows Explorer, you must enable
Show Hidden Files and Folders under Start | Control Panel | Folder Options
Icon | View, or in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options | View.

 

[John Hacker]

Just to add to Vanguard's reply. Huh? The only things that go to the
Recycle Bin in OE are .dbx files when deleted from the message store.

Also when you compact the message folders to recover lost space.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

If you're finding EML files in Recycle Bin, the identity's damaged. If
they're DBX files [e.g., INBOX.DBX; INBOX (1).DBX], WYSIWYG.

 

[dadiOH]

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the
Inbox (not the Inbox folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as
in the other Identities? One may make a mistake and need to retrieve
them from the Delete folder.... any ideas?

Yes.

OE
Tools
Options
Maintenance tab

Uncheck "Empty messages from the deleted Items folder on exit"

--

dadiOH
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[Guest]

[MS WinXP Home 2002 -  SP3; OE 6; IE 8; MS Office Pro; Avast Free; Dell
Dimension XPS T448MHz Pentium III; 640 MB RAM; high speed cable; Windows
Media Player; Adobe Reader 9.3.3; Adobe Flash Player 10 Activex..]

Hello, in one of my Identities, when I delete files from the "Inbox" folder,
instead of going to the "Delete" folder, they go straight to the,
supposedly, "Recycle Bin".  I say "supposedly" because when I went to the
Recycle Bin to retrieve them (I had mistakenly deleted all "Inbox" files!),
the Bin showed to be empty!

I had noticed this since a couple of weeks or so but since I meant to delete
them permanently before, I didn't bother trying to fix the problem.

Rather than trying to retrieve them at this time, I'd like now to know how
to fix this problem before it does it again...when I delete by mistake.
Anyone with suggestions please?

Anticipating my big thanks!         Adela

Why not migrate from OE to the latest version of Thunderbird?
While you are at it make Firefox you default browser.
I think you will find both to be superior to their Microsoft
equivalents.

 

[Adela]

Thanks....I had done this when Vanguard and Bruce suggested it. Adela

 

[Adela]

Hi again....

Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx. Open OE and you will
have a new one.

I sent an email yesterday but I don't see it now. I was saying that I I
went to the Message Store but didn't remember how to get to all of my
Identities from there (was supposed to copy and paste on "Run"...then what?
lol So I tried Windows Explorer and found on the left column: 7 identities
under the word "Identities". On clicking on this word, found on the right
column 8 identities (I have only 4!!!).

So...still don't know what to do to find that corrupted Deleted folder, and
delete it, so I can "grow" a new one.

How will I tell which is which? So I could not only find the corrupted
folder to delete, but also delete all those duplicates???

Sorry to be so dumb but, could someone give me the step-by-step method?

Anticipating my big thanx! (Hope this one goes through...) Adela

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox
(not the Inbox folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the
other Identities? One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from
the Delete folder.... any ideas?

In Deleted Items: View | Current View. Is Show All Messages checked? If it
is, make sure you have no messages in Deleted Items that you want and
close OE. Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx. Open OE
and you will have a new one. Does it work now?

If not, create a new identity and test it. If that works, import your
messages from this identity. The current one may be damaged.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA



<snip>

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Hi again....


I sent an email yesterday but I don't see it now. I was saying that I I
went to the Message Store but didn't remember how to get to all of my
Identities from there (was supposed to copy and paste on "Run"...then
what? lol So I tried Windows Explorer and found on the left column: 7
identities under the word "Identities". On clicking on this word, found
on the right column 8 identities (I have only 4!!!).

So...still don't know what to do to find that corrupted Deleted folder,
and delete it, so I can "grow" a new one.

How will I tell which is which? So I could not only find the corrupted
folder to delete, but also delete all those duplicates???

Sorry to be so dumb but, could someone give me the step-by-step method?

Anticipating my big thanx! (Hope this one goes through...) Adela

This isn't e-mail.

Each OE identity has it's own message store. The beginning of the path is
the same, but you will reach a poin where you see multiple identites. You
need the one for the identity that you are having problems with.

They each have a different GUID, or Globally Unique IDentifyer. The is the
long string of letters and numbers. If you go to Tools | Options |
Maintenence | Store Folder in the problem identity, you will see the path
and the specific GUID for that identity.

Eiher copt/paste this path into the Run command, or just note the path and
navigate to it manually. You just need to note the first four
letters/numbers in the GUID to get to the correct message store.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox
(not the Inbox folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the
other Identities? One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them
from the Delete folder.... any ideas?

In Deleted Items: View | Current View. Is Show All Messages checked? If
it is, make sure you have no messages in Deleted Items that you want
and close OE. Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx.
Open OE and you will have a new one. Does it work now?

If not, create a new identity and test it. If that works, import your
messages from this identity. The current one may be damaged.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA



<snip>

 

[Adela]

I found the Delete folder and deleted it, and it came back, I tried it and
so far it seems to be working normally. Thanks so much Bruce! Adela

Hi again....


I sent an email yesterday but I don't see it now. I was saying that I I
went to the Message Store but didn't remember how to get to all of my
Identities from there (was supposed to copy and paste on "Run"...then
what? lol So I tried Windows Explorer and found on the left column: 7
identities under the word "Identities". On clicking on this word, found
on the right column 8 identities (I have only 4!!!).

So...still don't know what to do to find that corrupted Deleted folder,
and delete it, so I can "grow" a new one.

How will I tell which is which? So I could not only find the corrupted
folder to delete, but also delete all those duplicates???

Sorry to be so dumb but, could someone give me the step-by-step method?

Anticipating my big thanx! (Hope this one goes through...) Adela

This isn't e-mail.

Each OE identity has it's own message store. The beginning of the path is
the same, but you will reach a poin where you see multiple identites. You
need the one for the identity that you are having problems with.

They each have a different GUID, or Globally Unique IDentifyer. The is the
long string of letters and numbers. If you go to Tools | Options |
Maintenence | Store Folder in the problem identity, you will see the path
and the specific GUID for that identity.

Eiher copt/paste this path into the Run command, or just note the path and
navigate to it manually. You just need to note the first four
letters/numbers in the GUID to get to the correct message store.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

Thank you Vanguard and Bruce, I understand now but, I still don't
understand that when I delete incoming files (messages) from the Inbox
(not the Inbox folder) why they don't go to my Delete folder as in the
other Identities? One may make a mistake and need to retrieve them from
the Delete folder.... any ideas?


In Deleted Items: View | Current View. Is Show All Messages checked? If
it is, make sure you have no messages in Deleted Items that you want and
close OE. Go to the message store and delete Deleted Items.dbx. Open OE
and you will have a new one. Does it work now?

If not, create a new identity and test it. If that works, import your
messages from this identity. The current one may be damaged.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA



<snip>

 

[Bruce Hagen]

You're welcome. Never a doubt in my mind.