Everything is lagging here!!!

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coolBuddy

Hi all,
Recently i upgraded my pc with a Asus P5KPL-CM mobo, 4 GB of ram and a
XFX nVidia GEforce 9500 gt 1 GB gfx card. My processor and hard disk
are from the older pc. The processor is a intel pentium d 820(2.8 ghz
800 mhz FSB). The hard disk is an old 80 gb PATA or IDE or whatever it
is, but it is not a SATA one. I hv a friend who has exactly the same
products but his processor is Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz and he has a SATA
250 GB hdd. I installed Windows Vista Ultimate. Now if i try to play a
1080p HD video from my DVD combo drive or the hdd it lags a lot where
it doesnt for my friend. Also when i installed NFS ProStreet on my PC
it lagged a hell of a lot even at everything low where as my friend
plays them with everything maxxed out with a res larger than mine. In
my PC even the ingame videos ten to lag, like the one at the begining
of ProStreet. What is the problem here?? I suspect its the slow PATA
interface that is making my gaming suffer. Also probably someone can
advice me about the proper BIOS settings to get the best of my PATA
drive. I dont think the processor is the cluprit here. I even tried
changing the PATA cables but no improvement.

Thanks.
Reply soon.
 
P

Paul

coolBuddy said:
Hi all,
Recently i upgraded my pc with a Asus P5KPL-CM mobo, 4 GB of ram and a
XFX nVidia GEforce 9500 gt 1 GB gfx card. My processor and hard disk
are from the older pc. The processor is a intel pentium d 820(2.8 ghz
800 mhz FSB). The hard disk is an old 80 gb PATA or IDE or whatever it
is, but it is not a SATA one. I hv a friend who has exactly the same
products but his processor is Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz and he has a SATA
250 GB hdd. I installed Windows Vista Ultimate. Now if i try to play a
1080p HD video from my DVD combo drive or the hdd it lags a lot where
it doesnt for my friend. Also when i installed NFS ProStreet on my PC
it lagged a hell of a lot even at everything low where as my friend
plays them with everything maxxed out with a res larger than mine. In
my PC even the ingame videos ten to lag, like the one at the begining
of ProStreet. What is the problem here?? I suspect its the slow PATA
interface that is making my gaming suffer. Also probably someone can
advice me about the proper BIOS settings to get the best of my PATA
drive. I dont think the processor is the cluprit here. I even tried
changing the PATA cables but no improvement.

Thanks.
Reply soon.

Is your BIOS version at least 0305 ? Don't panic. Don't touch the BIOS
until you've had a good look around. (If you've never touched the
BIOS, the sticker adhering to the BIOS chip on the motherboard,
will tell you what release was present when you got the motherboard
brand new out of the box.)

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5KPL-CM

At the very least, check Task Manager, and see if there are two charts
for the two processor cores. (It is possible to set Task Manager, to
combine the info from the two cores. View:CPU History:One Graph Per CPU
should allow both cores to be displayed. At least, that is the
choice on my copy of WinXP.) Also, if you examine process affinity
for tasks, you should see two tick boxes for CPU0 and CPU1, and
that would be proof both cores are recognized and working.

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...ervices-running-under-svchost-exe-taskmgr.jpg

With respect to RAM on your system, if you expect Vista to perform,
you should stock up on RAM. Depending on your budget, you could
go thrifty, with 2x1GB DDR2 (what I use), or go rich, with 2x2GB.
In the 2x2GB case, 1GB of address space is lost right away, due to
the video card. Vista will likely report slightly less than 3GB
available. So you'd buy 4GB memory, and get to use about 2.75GB
reported free. You're doubling the price, for an extra 0.75GB of
memory. Perhaps with a bit of tuning, and turning off some of the
Vista features, you can make better usage of your resources.
(I don't have Vista, so don't know the tricks.)

With regard to your CPU horsepower, you cannot compare the
clock rate of your D 820, to the clock rate of the Core2 Duo.
The architecture of the processors is different. To compare
them, multiply the Core2 clock by 1.8 or so. So your friend has
2.53*1.8 = 4.5GHz while you have 2.8GHz. Your friend should see
better performance than your system, due to the newer processor
architecture. The only time you can compare clock rates
directly, is if the processors are from the same architecture.
For other cases, you need to multiply by a conversion factor,
to make comparison possible.

To give you an example, I used to have a 3.1GHz P4. It ran a
benchmark in 45 to 50 seconds. I now have a 2.6GHz Core2. It
runs the same benchmark in 24 seconds. Even though my new
processor has a lower numeric value for clock rate, it is
blowing away the old processor. The benchmark finishes in
less time. They're different architectures.

When you installed the video card, you needed to do three things.
One, was install the chipset drivers from the motherboard CD.

In the manual, there is a picture of the motherboard CD
"Drivers" screen, and it mentions

Intel Chipset INF Update Program

Now, chances are, that is not the problem, but you should
have some version of chipset drivers installed. They help
label things correctly in Device Manager (and are mainly
helpful, if chipset drivers aren't in the Windows CD already).

The second thing, is the video driver from Nvidia, for the 9500 GT.

The third is DirectX, but you likely have relatively
recent versions of DirectX already. Many games like
to (try to) install a minimum version of DirectX, so
again, that probably isn't an issue. In some games, the
performance of their DirectX 9 mode, is different than
when they're running DirectX 10, which is a setting you
might play with.

A slow PATA interface, might be an issue if a game makes
a lot of references to the disk in real time. If a game
level loads entirely into RAM, at the beginning of a level,
you might never see the disk light flash while you're playing.
A slow PATA interface might be an issue with a flight simulator
program, as some of those are continuously loading landscape
data as the airplane moves over the landscape. There is more
data in a flight simulator, than can be held in system memory.
A game level may have less data than that (limited play space
and map).

In terms of BIOS flashing, there is little incentive to do that,
unless only one of your CPU cores is being reported, and you're
seeing evidence that the full processor is not recognized. A
BIOS flash is unlikely to help other aspects of your problem.
I only mentioned the release number, in case the BIOS version
is older than the value recommended on that Asus support
page. If you must flash the BIOS, pick a safe way to do it.
I personally, don't trust a "Windows based" method. And
with Asus, always check the download page for the BIOS
files, because sometimes there are warnings that certain
BIOS flashing methods are broken. There have been cases,
where one of the three BIOS flashing methods, guarantees
a "bricked" motherboard. Which is a nuisance to fix.

HTH,
Paul
 
C

coolBuddy

Thanks for replying Paul.
Both my cores are being recognized - i just checked that in the Task
Manager.
Taking reference to your processor example i feel that is my problem.
For my friends PC, which is a Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.53 ghz, WinSAT
or the Vista Windows Experience Index shows a base score of 5 giving
the lowest to gaming. Whereas for me the base core is with the CPU
with a score of 3.4. So I was just thinking its probably the CPU that
is the bottleneck when something startled me. I tried running NFS
Carbon with my PC and Whoa!! it ran maxxed out!! Now how is that
possible? How much is the difference between NFS Carbon and NFS
ProStreet Graphics level?
If I change my processor which one do u recommend?
Thanks..
 
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Paul

coolBuddy said:
Thanks for replying Paul.
Both my cores are being recognized - i just checked that in the Task
Manager.
Taking reference to your processor example i feel that is my problem.
For my friends PC, which is a Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.53 ghz, WinSAT
or the Vista Windows Experience Index shows a base score of 5 giving
the lowest to gaming. Whereas for me the base core is with the CPU
with a score of 3.4. So I was just thinking its probably the CPU that
is the bottleneck when something startled me. I tried running NFS
Carbon with my PC and Whoa!! it ran maxxed out!! Now how is that
possible? How much is the difference between NFS Carbon and NFS
ProStreet Graphics level?
If I change my processor which one do u recommend?
Thanks..

The list shows you could use a dual, like an E8400. There are
also quads in the list, but it really depends on what you do,
as to whether they would be a better choice.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5KPL-CM

You can currently get an E8400 for $168.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

This would be an example of a quad, which draws more power. $220.
A quad is most useful, with multimedia applications, like say
a DVD Shrink program or some kind of rendering. In many other
cases, the extra cores don't do a lot for you.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

I use an E4700 Core2Duo, because I'm a cheapskate. And the closest
to that now, would be an E5300 2.6GHz Dual core for $80. You would
likely need to update the BIOS version, before inserting that
processor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116074

So you have some choices.

The games could be using different versions of DirectX. And
it is possible, one has more processor loading than the other.
It could even be a video driver issue, but to know that, you'd
have to do some web searches using the game product name, to see
if others report "lagging" problems.

And sites like this, can tell you more about where that video card
sits in the performance scheme of things. It is probably more
powerful than what I use (a five year old video card).

http://www.gpureview.com/GeForce-9500-GT-PCI-E-card-574.html

Paul
 
C

coolBuddy

thanks again for replying paul.
I even noticed one thing that 1080p videos lag like hell with my
config.
i think i damaged my cpu while installing it in my new mobo (ya it was
my first install). Can it get damaged in such a partial manner?
i am trying now to update my bios but i dont think thats the prob.
Also is the intel g31 chipset fully compatible with my processor?
Thanks again for replying...
Reply soon....
 
C

coolBuddy

Hey man Paul i just fixed my prob. It was with a BIOS setting under
the CPU config menu there. Dont remember exactly what it was but it
just fixed my prob n now my pc reports a base score of 4.8!!!
Hooray!!! also NFS prostreet carbon n all other games run maxxed
out !!!
Thanks man....
Ur help is extremely appreciated!!!!
 
P

Paul

coolBuddy said:
Hey man Paul i just fixed my prob. It was with a BIOS setting under
the CPU config menu there. Dont remember exactly what it was but it
just fixed my prob n now my pc reports a base score of 4.8!!!
Hooray!!! also NFS prostreet carbon n all other games run maxxed
out !!!
Thanks man....
Ur help is extremely appreciated!!!!

Glad you figured it out. Now you can put off
the upgrade for another day.

Paul
 
J

JD Lindsey

Hi all,
Recently i upgraded my pc with a Asus P5KPL-CM mobo, 4 GB of ram and a
XFX nVidia GEforce 9500 gt 1 GB gfx card. My processor and hard disk
are from the older pc. The processor is a intel pentium d 820(2.8 ghz
800 mhz FSB). The hard disk is an old 80 gb PATA or IDE or whatever it
is, but it is not a SATA one. I hv a friend who has exactly the same
products but his processor is Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz and he has a SATA
250 GB hdd. I installed Windows Vista Ultimate. Now if i try to play a
1080p HD video from my DVD combo drive or the hdd it lags a lot where
it doesnt for my friend. Also when i installed NFS ProStreet on my PC
it lagged a hell of a lot even at everything low where as my friend
plays them with everything maxxed out with a res larger than mine. In
my PC even the ingame videos ten to lag, like the one at the begining
of ProStreet. What is the problem here?? I suspect its the slow PATA
interface that is making my gaming suffer. Also probably someone can
advice me about the proper BIOS settings to get the best of my PATA
drive. I dont think the processor is the cluprit here. I even tried
changing the PATA cables but no improvement.

Thanks.
Reply soon.

Well Its Like this man any team or group is only as strong as there
weakest link Right??? Well Computers are the same Your running a Newer
faster Graphics Card With a newer faster DVD Multi-Burner( I assume
Your talking about) On a not so good Motherboard And a CPU and IDE
HARD DRIVE from the Stone Age You didnt upgrade Three of the mosxt
imortant parts ... Oh and Get A New and bigger Power supply.....
 

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