Epson R1800 paper & bulk ink


P

Paul Furman

First, is this a good option for a bulk ink system? Is this as risky as
using third party inks? Is 100ml enough? I'm sick of not printing my
photos, I want prints damn it & I want them big <g>.

http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R800
Stylus Photo R800 Ink Kit with 8 Pigment Inks
R800 Bulk Ink System + 8 * 100ml Pigment Inks
Price: $339.95

Now for paper... I'm in the US, West Coast if that matters for other
suppliers.

http://www.eximvaios.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=2_252_383
Premium Glossy Photo Paper
13"x100 ft roll $71.84 = $0.66/sf
13"x32 ft roll $45.00 = $1.30/sf
13"x19" 100 shts $150.00 = $0.88/sf
-this is basically what I'm used to but supposedly this printer is a
little funny on glossy paper so people talk about using matte or
semi-gloss. The sample enhanced matte paper that came with the printer
is awful, I assume the fancier stuff is better? If I go with gloss, my
old prints will match. Does one or the other use more ink?

http://www.pictorico.com/category/5-PGHG-White-Film.htm
-supposed to be really nice bright colors
Photo Gallery Hi-Gloss White Film
13 x 19 20 shts $98.38 = $2.87/sf

http://www.hahnemuehle.com/index.php?mid=936&lng=us
-supposed to make gorgeous matte prints but really expensive?? Moab
supposed to be 30-40% cheaper with similar look:
http://redrockinnovations.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=IJG
Entrada® Fine Art 190 Natural (MOAB)
8.5x11 [25] $24.30 = $1.50/sf (check math?)
Entrada® Fine Art 190 13x66 [ROLL] Out of Stock $82.80

That same site has Ilford 'Pearl' products which I recall folks saying
works well with an Epson R1800 but am not sure which one:
Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl (and Classic Pearl?)
13x19 [25] $31.95
-none of those in 13" rolls though.
 
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Martin

Paul said:
First, is this a good option for a bulk ink system? Is this as risky as
using third party inks? Is 100ml enough? I'm sick of not printing my
photos, I want prints damn it & I want them big <g>.

http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R800
Stylus Photo R800 Ink Kit with 8 Pigment Inks
R800 Bulk Ink System + 8 * 100ml Pigment Inks
Price: $339.95

Can't help you with the paper aspect but someone sure will...

I've never dealt with the A3 printer versions of any CIS, nor have I
seen an alternative yet (well in truth I haven't been looking) but you
do need to take care when you install the Ink Republic CIS kits because
they tend not to pay as much attention as they should to the tubing pathway.

I don't know how others have done it but if I were you I'd pay attention
to the way the R2400 kit by MIS associates (
http://www.inksupply.com/instructions/r2400direct.doc ) handles the
installation and what parts, measurements, etc.. it uses to keep the
tubing from falling into the path of the printhead carriage.

If you can tackle that properly then the rest of the unit should work ok.

As for inks, I don't know how good Ink Republic's are so you might want
to cast around for reviews on good bulk ink suppliers.. 100ml is
reasonable as you'll get about 8 carts from each colour but you'll be
wanting to get refills when you hit 50ml down..


Bottom line, if MIS associates or someone with an equal reputation
offered a kit for the R1800 then I'd grab it with both hands and ignore
the Ink Republic version. Partly because of cost but mainly because of
the problems with the tube pathways...

Hope that helps.
 
S

Shooter

Not sure if you have a CIS or just looking for ink for one. I have used the
Everest-team cis on an Epson 2100 for just under two years. They cater for
both Pigment and dye ink replacement, I have used both with the system they
sell and have had no problems whatever. The systems have spongelees
carts.You do get on the 2100 Bronzing with pigment but great quality with
glossy and semi gloss using dye. The only point to watch is twice weekly
nozzle checks if you do little printing and if you change from say pigment
to dye you need to flush the printer. The web address is
www.everest-team.com worth a look if nothing else and the cost is way below
what you quoted below.
 
P

Paul Furman

Martin said:
Can't help you with the paper aspect but someone sure will...

I've never dealt with the A3 printer versions of any CIS, nor have I
seen an alternative yet (well in truth I haven't been looking) but you
do need to take care when you install the Ink Republic CIS kits because
they tend not to pay as much attention as they should to the tubing
pathway.

I don't know how others have done it but if I were you I'd pay attention
to the way the R2400 kit by MIS associates (
http://www.inksupply.com/instructions/r2400direct.doc ) handles the
installation and what parts, measurements, etc.. it uses to keep the
tubing from falling into the path of the printhead carriage.

If you can tackle that properly then the rest of the unit should work ok.

As for inks, I don't know how good Ink Republic's are so you might want
to cast around for reviews on good bulk ink suppliers.. 100ml is
reasonable as you'll get about 8 carts from each colour but you'll be
wanting to get refills when you hit 50ml down..

Another place has 4 or 8 oz bottles, 100ml is 3.4oz
Bottom line, if MIS associates or someone with an equal reputation
offered a kit for the R1800 then I'd grab it with both hands and ignore
the Ink Republic version. Partly because of cost but mainly because of
the problems with the tube pathways...

Thanks!
Here's just more of my research:
http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/ci/cis2.html
G7 bulk 4oz bottles for R800/R1800-SET8 $159.18
-hmm, ink only, no conversion kit? looks like it's for refilling
cartridges, maybe this in is better than ink republic's?

Here's one in Poland???
http://www.agawa.pl/g1.asp?nrs=256&ln=2
.... and another on ebay hong kong...

Ah ha!
http://www.mediastreet.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.678/.f
Niagara II Pre-filled Continuous Ink Flow System for Epson R1800 with
G-Chrome RB Ink (bulk bottles of ink sold separately)
Price: $332.00

Generations G-Chrome RB Set of 8 Colors:
*4 ounce* bottle
Price: $159.18

Generations G-Chrome RB Set of 8 Colors:
*8 ounce* bottle
Price: $305.63

Niagara II Replacement Pre-Filled Cartridge for the Epson R1800 with G7
Ink-Cyan (with chip)
Price: $25.95 [each for 8 colors = $207.60]

I guess the kit comes with those cartridges but they might need to be
replaced some day? I notice they don't sell individual color bottle refills.
 
P

Paul Furman

I'm looking for the whole system. I'm not clear on their web site they
mention the R1800 but then don't list a system for it, only inks and
only Dye and UltraChrome inks, not the normal pigment ink. Oh, I guess
UltraChrome is pigment.
http://www.everest-team.com/ultra_r800.htm
I didn't know dye inks could be run in this machine.
Not sure if you have a CIS or just looking for ink for one. I have used the
Everest-team cis on an Epson 2100 for just under two years. They cater for
both Pigment and dye ink replacement, I have used both with the system they
sell and have had no problems whatever. The systems have spongelees
carts.You do get on the 2100 Bronzing with pigment but great quality with
glossy and semi gloss using dye. The only point to watch is twice weekly
nozzle checks if you do little printing and if you change from say pigment
to dye you need to flush the printer. The web address is
www.everest-team.com worth a look if nothing else and the cost is way below
what you quoted below.


First, is this a good option for a bulk ink system? Is this as risky as
using third party inks? Is 100ml enough? I'm sick of not printing my
photos, I want prints damn it & I want them big <g>.

http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R800
Stylus Photo R800 Ink Kit with 8 Pigment Inks
R800 Bulk Ink System + 8 * 100ml Pigment Inks
Price: $339.95

Now for paper... I'm in the US, West Coast if that matters for other
suppliers.

http://www.eximvaios.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=2_252_383
Premium Glossy Photo Paper
13"x100 ft roll $71.84 = $0.66/sf
13"x32 ft roll $45.00 = $1.30/sf
13"x19" 100 shts $150.00 = $0.88/sf
-this is basically what I'm used to but supposedly this printer is a
little funny on glossy paper so people talk about using matte or
semi-gloss. The sample enhanced matte paper that came with the printer is
awful, I assume the fancier stuff is better? If I go with gloss, my old
prints will match. Does one or the other use more ink?

http://www.pictorico.com/category/5-PGHG-White-Film.htm
-supposed to be really nice bright colors
Photo Gallery Hi-Gloss White Film
13 x 19 20 shts $98.38 = $2.87/sf

http://www.hahnemuehle.com/index.php?mid=936&lng=us
-supposed to make gorgeous matte prints but really expensive?? Moab
supposed to be 30-40% cheaper with similar look:
http://redrockinnovations.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=IJG
Entrada® Fine Art 190 Natural (MOAB)
8.5x11 [25] $24.30 = $1.50/sf (check math?)
Entrada® Fine Art 190 13x66 [ROLL] Out of Stock $82.80

That same site has Ilford 'Pearl' products which I recall folks saying
works well with an Epson R1800 but am not sure which one:
Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl (and Classic Pearl?)
13x19 [25] $31.95
-none of those in 13" rolls though.
 
R

rafe b

Bottom line, if MIS associates or someone with an equal reputation
offered a kit for the R1800 then I'd grab it with both hands and ignore
the Ink Republic version. Partly because of cost but mainly because of
the problems with the tube pathways...


Try WeInk and/or MediaStreet.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
 
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Paul Furman

rafe said:
Try WeInk

Thanks!
<http://www.weink.com/ecom/catalog/camelflo_prox_for_epson_r8001800_crs_4303041.htm>
CamelFLO ProX for Epson R8001800 CRS $531.99 [plus $250 135ml ink]

and/or MediaStreet.

Thanks I just found that (above) and will repost the link here:
http://www.mediastreet.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.678/.f
Niagara II Pre-filled Continuous Ink Flow System for Epson R1800 with
G-Chrome RB Ink (bulk bottles of ink sold separately)
Price: $332.00

Generations G-Chrome RB Set of 8 Colors:
*4 ounce* bottle
Price: $159.18

So far this one seems the middle price range and better recommended.
 
M

measekite

WHAT A JOKE. SOME GUY RECOMMENDS THE WORST OF THE WORST AND THE OTHER
GUY THANKS HIM FOR GETTING SCREWED ON MATERIAL AND PRICE.

HA HA HA

Paul said:
rafe said:
Try WeInk


Thanks!
<http://www.weink.com/ecom/catalog/camelflo_prox_for_epson_r8001800_crs_4303041.htm>

CamelFLO ProX for Epson R8001800 CRS $531.99 [plus $250 135ml ink]

and/or MediaStreet.


Thanks I just found that (above) and will repost the link here:
http://www.mediastreet.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.678/.f
Niagara II Pre-filled Continuous Ink Flow System for Epson R1800 with
G-Chrome RB Ink (bulk bottles of ink sold separately)
Price: $332.00

Generations G-Chrome RB Set of 8 Colors:
*4 ounce* bottle
Price: $159.18

So far this one seems the middle price range and better recommended.
 
M

measekite

Paul said:
I'm looking for the whole system. I'm not clear on their web site they
mention the R1800 but then don't list a system for it, only inks and
only Dye and UltraChrome inks, not the normal pigment ink. Oh, I guess
UltraChrome is pigment.
http://www.everest-team.com/ultra_r800.htm
I didn't know dye inks could be run in this machine.

YOU CAN EVEN RUN WATER
Not sure if you have a CIS or just looking for ink for one. I have
used the Everest-team cis on an Epson 2100 for just under two years.
They cater for both Pigment and dye ink replacement, I have used both
with the system they sell and have had no problems whatever. The
systems have spongelees carts.You do get on the 2100 Bronzing with
pigment but great quality with glossy and semi gloss using dye. The
only point to watch is twice weekly nozzle checks if you do little
printing and if you change from say pigment to dye you need to flush
the printer. The web address is www.everest-team.com worth a look if
nothing else and the cost is way below what you quoted below.


First, is this a good option for a bulk ink system? Is this as risky
as using third party inks? Is 100ml enough? I'm sick of not printing
my photos, I want prints damn it & I want them big <g>.

http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R800
Stylus Photo R800 Ink Kit with 8 Pigment Inks
R800 Bulk Ink System + 8 * 100ml Pigment Inks
Price: $339.95

Now for paper... I'm in the US, West Coast if that matters for other
suppliers.

http://www.eximvaios.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=2_252_383
Premium Glossy Photo Paper
13"x100 ft roll $71.84 = $0.66/sf
13"x32 ft roll $45.00 = $1.30/sf
13"x19" 100 shts $150.00 = $0.88/sf
-this is basically what I'm used to but supposedly this printer is a
little funny on glossy paper so people talk about using matte or
semi-gloss. The sample enhanced matte paper that came with the
printer is awful, I assume the fancier stuff is better? If I go with
gloss, my old prints will match. Does one or the other use more ink?

http://www.pictorico.com/category/5-PGHG-White-Film.htm
-supposed to be really nice bright colors
Photo Gallery Hi-Gloss White Film
13 x 19 20 shts $98.38 = $2.87/sf

http://www.hahnemuehle.com/index.php?mid=936&lng=us
-supposed to make gorgeous matte prints but really expensive?? Moab
supposed to be 30-40% cheaper with similar look:
http://redrockinnovations.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=IJG

Entrada® Fine Art 190 Natural (MOAB)
8.5x11 [25] $24.30 = $1.50/sf (check math?)
Entrada® Fine Art 190 13x66 [ROLL] Out of Stock $82.80

That same site has Ilford 'Pearl' products which I recall folks
saying works well with an Epson R1800 but am not sure which one:
Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl (and Classic Pearl?)
13x19 [25] $31.95
-none of those in 13" rolls though.
 
M

measekite

ALL BULK SYSTEMS ARE 3RD PARTY. THERE IS NO OEM
Can't help you with the paper aspect but someone sure will...

I've never dealt with the A3 printer versions of any CIS, nor have I
seen an alternative yet (well in truth I haven't been looking) but
you do need to take care when you install the Ink Republic CIS kits
because they tend not to pay as much attention as they should to the
tubing pathway.

I don't know how others have done it but if I were you I'd pay
attention to the way the R2400 kit by MIS associates (
http://www.inksupply.com/instructions/r2400direct.doc ) handles the
installation and what parts, measurements, etc.. it uses to keep the
tubing from falling into the path of the printhead carriage.

If you can tackle that properly then the rest of the unit should work
ok.

As for inks, I don't know how good Ink Republic's are so you might
want to cast around for reviews on good bulk ink suppliers.. 100ml is
reasonable as you'll get about 8 carts from each colour but you'll be
wanting to get refills when you hit 50ml down..


Another place has 4 or 8 oz bottles, 100ml is 3.4oz
Bottom line, if MIS associates or someone with an equal reputation
offered a kit for the R1800 then I'd grab it with both hands and
ignore the Ink Republic version. Partly because of cost but mainly
because of the problems with the tube pathways...


Thanks!
Here's just more of my research:
http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/ci/cis2.html
G7 bulk 4oz bottles for R800/R1800-SET8 $159.18
-hmm, ink only, no conversion kit? looks like it's for refilling
cartridges, maybe this in is better than ink republic's?

Here's one in Poland???
http://www.agawa.pl/g1.asp?nrs=256&ln=2
... and another on ebay hong kong...

Ah ha!
http://www.mediastreet.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.678/.f
Niagara II Pre-filled Continuous Ink Flow System for Epson R1800 with
G-Chrome RB Ink (bulk bottles of ink sold separately)
Price: $332.00

Generations G-Chrome RB Set of 8 Colors:
*4 ounce* bottle
Price: $159.18

Generations G-Chrome RB Set of 8 Colors:
*8 ounce* bottle
Price: $305.63

Niagara II Replacement Pre-Filled Cartridge for the Epson R1800 with
G7 Ink-Cyan (with chip)
Price: $25.95 [each for 8 colors = $207.60]

I guess the kit comes with those cartridges but they might need to be
replaced some day? I notice they don't sell individual color bottle
refills.
 
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Martin

Shooter said:
Not sure if you have a CIS or just looking for ink for one. I have used the
Everest-team cis on an Epson 2100 for just under two years.

Just a quick note on that...

Their customer support appears to be appalling... I can't speak for
their email responses but if you check the forums for Everest-team it's
a wasteland with no admin or support response in months.
 
S

Shooter

I have to say that in two years I have purchased replacement ink and two
chips no problem, the chips were with me in 48hrs and the the ink in 3 days.
Email replies same day. I have looked at the forum and it does appear
somewhat slow, I would think that puts a lot of people off.
 
M

Martin

Shooter said:
I have to say that in two years I have purchased replacement ink and two
chips no problem, the chips were with me in 48hrs and the the ink in 3 days.
Email replies same day. I have looked at the forum and it does appear
somewhat slow, I would think that puts a lot of people off.


Thanks for that feedback Shooter... I was wondering if the email side of
things was any better... but like you say the forum does them no favours
at all.
 
P

Paul Furman

I'm just going back to this thread to summarize & update the CIS
research. I finally got some decent 13x19 paper & did a bunch of
printing and it's simply spectacular but devours ink fast.

Here's a discussion of CIS on the R1800 which sounds like kind of a
messy tedious situation:
<http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=16961017>
-I wish they had mentioned what system & inks they were using!

Of course if you are selling art prints at a good price there is no
reason to go with CIS but I'm not yet. I want to do a boatload of
printing to learn & build a portfolio. I'll have to do a lot of printing
before I can come up with enough great results to put together a gallery
showing & even then it'll probably just be in a cafe or something to
start with.

Paul said:
I'm sick of not printing my
photos, I want prints damn it & I want them big <g>.

(I've normalized ink prices for 100ml though sizes vary)

WeInk system ($491 including $160/100ml ink set)
http://www.weink.com/ecom/products/epson.htm
They've changed recently, this is the complete kit with all options &
135ml ink set, also avail in 500ml or gallons (LOL)

Ink Jet Mall ($464 including $135/100ml ink set)
http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/ci/cis2.html
G7 bulk 4oz bottles for R800/R1800-SET8 $159.18
Niagara II pre-primed [CIS kit] with Generations G-Chrome (RB) Inks for
the Epson R800

Media Street ($464 including $132/100ml ink set)
http://www.mediastreet.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.678/.f
Niagara II Pre-filled Continuous Ink Flow System for Epson R1800 with
G-Chrome RB Ink (bulk bottles of ink sold separately 4-oz $159, 8-oz
$305 and individual color bottle refills not available, 100ml is 3.4oz )
Price: $332.00

Ink Republic ($339 including $152/100ml ink set)
http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R800
R800 Bulk Ink System + 8 * 100ml Pigment Inks

...you do need to
take care when you install the Ink Republic CIS kits because
they tend not to pay as much attention as they should to the tubing
pathway.

... to keep the
tubing from falling into the path of the printhead carriage.

If you can tackle that properly then the rest of the unit
should work ok.



Then for comparison, the regular Epson catridges seem to go for around
$12-$13
<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...EPCSPR800K&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=320985>
that's $11.87 if you buy a full set or $12.95 individually plus
shipping, no tax
Calumet sells them over the counter here for $13.50 plus 8.5% tax
Epson themselves charges $14.24!

The carts are 17ml so if I assume $12.50/cart that's $588/100ml set of 8
versus the average $150 CIS cost above (a 100ml bottle is about 6 carts
worth).

I assume I could refill at the same costs as the CIS minus the
auto-reset chip cart set but that sounds like a major mess, I just went
through a set of 17ml carts in a few days day's worth of printing.

Now, what about compatible carts? I saw something like $7/cart and I'm
not going to research this but assuming that number it's about half the
price of OEM, the ink cost with CIS is about 1/4 price.

The average $300 CIS kit cost would easily be recovered after going
through one set of 100ml bottles (6 sets of OEM cartridges).
 
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M

measekite

Paul said:
I'm just going back to this thread to summarize & update the CIS
research. I finally got some decent 13x19 paper & did a bunch of
printing and it's simply spectacular but devours ink fast.

Here's a discussion of CIS on the R1800 which sounds like kind of a
messy tedious situation:
<http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1013&message=16961017>
-I wish they had mentioned what system & inks they were using!

Of course if you are selling art prints at a good price there is no
reason to go with CIS but I'm not yet. I want to do a boatload of
printing to learn & build a portfolio. I'll have to do a lot of
printing before I can come up with enough great results to put
together a gallery showing & even then it'll probably just be in a
cafe or something to start with.




(I've normalized ink prices for 100ml though sizes vary)

WeInk system ($491 including $160/100ml ink set)

I WOULD NEVER BUY FROM THESE OVERPRICE RELABELERS
http://www.weink.com/ecom/products/epson.htm
They've changed recently, this is the complete kit with all options &
135ml ink set, also avail in 500ml or gallons (LOL)

Ink Jet Mall ($464 including $135/100ml ink set)
http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/ci/cis2.html
G7 bulk 4oz bottles for R800/R1800-SET8 $159.18
Niagara II pre-primed [CIS kit] with Generations G-Chrome (RB) Inks
for the Epson R800

TOO GENERIC FOR ME
Media Street ($464 including $132/100ml ink set)
http://www.mediastreet.com/s.nl/sc.14/category.678/.f
Niagara II Pre-filled Continuous Ink Flow System for Epson R1800 with
G-Chrome RB Ink (bulk bottles of ink sold separately 4-oz $159, 8-oz
$305 and individual color bottle refills not available, 100ml is 3.4oz )
Price: $332.00

Ink Republic ($339 including $152/100ml ink set)
http://www.inkrepublic.com/ProductDetail.asp?item=R800
R800 Bulk Ink System + 8 * 100ml Pigment Inks

NEITHER WILL DISCLOSE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING
 
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