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Hi All:

When a picture is blown up, it becomes blurry, Is there any freware,
shareware or others programs that will enhance the resulting image?.
Thanks in advance for any input.
 
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Hi All:

When a picture is blown up, it becomes blurry, Is there any freware,
shareware or others programs that will enhance the resulting image?.
Thanks in advance for any input.

I haven't tried it, but Irfanview?

deKay
 
I tried it but it doesn't help too much.
Jules
deKay said:
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yawatina tan reek esk "Jules" <[email protected]> fornis do marikano es
bono tan el:
Hi All:

When a picture is blown up, it becomes blurry, Is there any freware,
shareware or others programs that will enhance the resulting image?.
Thanks in advance for any input.

I haven't tried it, but Irfanview?

deKay
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Hi All:

When a picture is blown up, it becomes blurry, Is there any freware,
shareware or others programs that will enhance the resulting image?.
Thanks in advance for any input.

The picture is blurry because it's definition has been exceeded. There is
no way to put in something that's not there to begin with. You can use
various programs that have a "sharpen" feature but that only reveals a
severely pixellated picture.
 
elaich said:
The picture is blurry because it's definition has been exceeded. There
is no way to put in something that's not there to begin with. You can
use various programs that have a "sharpen" feature but that only
reveals a severely pixellated picture.

I don't know if gimp has this feature, I should think it has, but one way
with Paintshoppro is to use the "soften" retouch tool.

This reduces the pixelation and gives a better appaerance, of course, it
doesn't increase definition, but subjectively it can be a great help

mike
 
Hi All:

When a picture is blown up, it becomes blurry, Is there any freware,
shareware or others programs that will enhance the resulting image?.
Thanks in advance for any input.

I use Photoshop CS < payware>, but * the Gimp* <Free> sounds like it
is a powerful image editor. Especially with the ability to use layers.
For any enlargement I would recommend that you use the Lanczos 3 or
Bicubic filter and then play around w/ *Unsharp Mask* and or *Gaussian
Blur* on a separate blending layer.
http://www.gimp.org/

I have enlarged < within practical limits> using IrfanView and its
Lanczos filter w/ nice results. You can, also, use some of the
Photoshop filters/ plug-ins w/ IranView. http://www.irfanview.com/

I would recommend converting the image to a *Lossless* format (e.g.,
Tiff) before enlarging and after making your final adjustments
converting back to .jpg w/ a compression that suited you. Generally no
more than 10% compression.

The success of your enlargement will greatly depend on the quality of
the source image and the amount of enlargement you desire.
HTH
/bLB
 
You're simple request is more complicated than you think. The short answer
is that you can only expand an image up to a point and correct for the
blurriness. Beyond that no amount of sharpening will help. Without going
into a long tutorial, here are the quick facts.

1. Generally, images can be expanded up to 10 percent without a serious
compromise of quality. After that you are going to see some degradation in
image quality though it may not matter to you.

2. If your image is for print purposes, you require a minimum number of
ORIGINAL pixel information for acceptable prints at any given size. The
larger the picture the larger of pixels required. Most commercial printers
can give you guidance in this regard.

For example, for a standard 4 x 6 inch print, you should have 800 x 1200
pixels (1 meg) of information. For a good print, you need 1200 x 1800. (2
megs).

3. Scaling a smaller image up to a larger size won't give you a photo as
sharp as one that was taken at that larger size by a camera designed for it.
The software that enlarges the photo will produce a certain amount of error
that shows up as blurriness.

Irfanview will show you pixel info about the image you're viewing in its
status bar at the bottom. You can resize your image (Image | Resize /
Resample) then use the sharpen filter (Image | Sharpen) to try to improve it
somewhat subject to what I wrote above. To fine-tune the sharpening, go
Image | Effects | Effects browser and you can sharpen your image more or
less.

There are other tips and tricks that might be helpful, but for simple stuff
that's all you need to do. For more info:
www.scantips.com for lengthy discussions of scanning, resolution, etc.

M
 
I would recommend converting the image to a *Lossless* format (e.g.,
Tiff) before enlarging and after making your final adjustments
converting back to .jpg w/ a compression that suited you. Generally no
more than 10% compression.

If you are talking about one step resizing, I don't believe this will make a
difference.

Re-sizing a JPEG will result in information loss due to:
i. the re-sizing process
ii. the compression process

Converting first to a lossless format leaves you with the original
information of the JPEG.

Re-sizing the TIFF will reduce the information in the image due to the
re-sizing process, just as if it were a JPEG.

Converting it back to JPEG will result in further information loss due to
compression.

In the end it doesn't matter which route you take.

IT WILL help though if you are making a series changes to an image and
saving each step of the way.
I'm not talking about re-sizing, but making imcremental changes to the image
with a paint program for example.

In this case a lossless format is better to avoid compression losses with
each subsequent save.

Alternately, if you are re-sizing in increments, then, yes a TIFF will help.
I've read pros and cons about re-sizing in small increments as a way to
improve final image quality. If you're a believer in this, then TIFF would
be the way to do it before final conversion to JPEG.

M
 
Hi All:

When a picture is blown up, it becomes blurry, Is there any freware,
shareware or others programs that will enhance the resulting image?.
Thanks in advance for any input.

No, not unless you purchase very expensive image enhancement software
that is generally only purchased by professionals. You are limited by
the number of pixels in the original image.
 
I don't know if gimp has this feature, I should think it has, but one
way with Paintshoppro is to use the "soften" retouch tool.

I've never been able to do anything with pixellated pics in Paint Shop
Pro. The whole thing is to take a high resoultion photo to begin with.
Soften only undoes what sharpen does. Softening a pixellated pic only
makes it more blurry.

I know sometimes photos are out of control and you can only deal with
what you already have.

Interestingly - I have a black and white photo I downloaded of US 66 in
Oklahoma that must have been taken in the late 1940s, judging from the
cars that are on it. In PSP, you can go as high as 10-1 blowup, and
clearly magnify the old US 66 highway shield in the background to the
point that you can read it clearly, and it looks like you are standing
next to it. I wonder what kind of resolution that is, and what kind of
B&W camera took it?
 
elaich said:
I've never been able to do anything with pixellated pics in Paint Shop
Pro. The whole thing is to take a high resoultion photo to begin with.
Soften only undoes what sharpen does. Softening a pixellated pic only
makes it more blurry.
I was shown how to do it at the local college.

I didn't say soften the picture, you use the retouch tool to soften sloping
edges that have the jagged staircase effect. It smooths the staircase and
makes the picture look a lot better.

Worked for the lecturer.

Works for me

mike
 
If you are talking about one step resizing, I don't believe this will make a
difference.

This was in reference to using a program like *Gimp* w/ layer ability.
I have found that working w/ multiple layers and making many
adjustments that it is wise to make incremental saves.....something
you don't want to do w/ a jpeg format.
I have spent many hours on a single project<albeit, not a single
enlargement task > and have a crash or power interruption. Had I not
saved my work at various stages it would have been disastrous....
/bLB
 
I didn't say soften the picture, you use the retouch tool to soften
sloping edges that have the jagged staircase effect. It smooths the
staircase and makes the picture look a lot better.

That's interesting. At the danger of getting the off topic cops riled up,
what version of PSP are you using? I have version 6.
 
I've never been able to do anything with pixellated pics in Paint Shop
Pro. The whole thing is to take a high resoultion photo to begin with.
Soften only undoes what sharpen does. Softening a pixellated pic only
makes it more blurry.

I know sometimes photos are out of control and you can only deal with
what you already have.

Interestingly - I have a black and white photo I downloaded of US 66 in
Oklahoma that must have been taken in the late 1940s, judging from the
cars that are on it. In PSP, you can go as high as 10-1 blowup, and
clearly magnify the old US 66 highway shield in the background to the
point that you can read it clearly, and it looks like you are standing
next to it. I wonder what kind of resolution that is, and what kind of
B&W camera took it?

Probably a Box Brownie. They were cheap and nasty but took the most
amazing pictures, seemingly by accident. Even a duff photographer
could be made to look good by one of them.
 
I didn't say soften the picture, you use the retouch tool to soften
That's interesting. At the danger of getting the off topic cops riled
up, what version of PSP are you using? I have version 6.

I've got PSP7, though the course was centred on 5.

I think the big improvement was 5 to 6.

I thought I'd check the Gimp, it was buggy last time I looked, but now it
seems to work well (98SE).

I could get the same effect with it's sharpen/soften tool - it actually
appears to sharpen the picture because it sort of overwrited the old jagged
pixels with the higher resolution your working in.

Of course it doesn't do a thing for the real resolution.

I think I'll have to download a manual for the gimp; I found options, then
couldn't get back to them; typical learning curve, but it looked good. I
managed to copy a PSP image layer by layer into it and reassemble them, so
a conversion is possible.

The real strength I think of PSP (I think 6 has it), is the point to point
freehand selection, as I'm a nil-to-crap artist I don't think I could live
without it.

mike
 
mike said:
I've got PSP7, though the course was centred on 5.

I think the big improvement was 5 to 6.

I thought I'd check the Gimp, it was buggy last time I looked, but now it
seems to work well (98SE).

I could get the same effect with it's sharpen/soften tool - it actually
appears to sharpen the picture because it sort of overwrited the old jagged
pixels with the higher resolution your working in.

Of course it doesn't do a thing for the real resolution.

I think I'll have to download a manual for the gimp; I found options, then
couldn't get back to them; typical learning curve, but it looked good. I
managed to copy a PSP image layer by layer into it and reassemble them, so
a conversion is possible.

The real strength I think of PSP (I think 6 has it), is the point to point
freehand selection, as I'm a nil-to-crap artist I don't think I could live
without it.

mike
 
The easiest way to resize images,making them too big or small without
loosing image quality at all,is using Stoik Smart Resizer.Simple quick
easy program that does a wonderful job.I use it often.

Appears to be $49.00 shareware. Where's the freeware version ?
 
Probably a Box Brownie.

Irrelevant. The camera might have been fantastic but that's nothing to do
with blowing it up and still looking sharp in this instance. He's not
blowing up the original photo, he's blowing up a scanned copy of the
original. Unless the photo was scanned at some extremely high rez and posted
it in some lossless format, the original observation doesn't make sense.

If the photo was a jpg, it would show significant artifacting blown up to
10x -- I doubt anything would even be recognizable. And I doubt it was a
lossless format such as BMP or TIFF as the online file size would have been
ginormous to hold that much information, assuming a scanner anywhere could
have scanned that much info in.

Either:
1. The original poster might have been exxagerating somewhat. (My guess. . .
:) )
2. PSP has some amazing internal algorithm for interpolating zoomed in
images.

M
 
Irrelevant. The camera might have been fantastic but that's nothing to
do with blowing it up and still looking sharp in this instance. He's
not blowing up the original photo, he's blowing up a scanned copy of
the original. Unless the photo was scanned at some extremely high rez
and posted it in some lossless format, the original observation
doesn't make sense.
Oh, dear, this point went clear over my head; where were my brains when I
read that post?

Off with the fairies, as usual

mike
 
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