Economics of SATA hard drive

[DRS]

Yes, but you may well see motherboards with not
enough IDE ports for the hard drives you want to use.

For example, those with the Force5 chipset. It has only one IDE channel.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Hi Rod, don't You think Your copy key bounces?

Nope, and your caps key has a problem anyway.

 

[Rod Speed]

Newer boards will support at least one PATA channel
because OEMs (and others too) are still using and
preferring PATA optical drives.

Yes, but one PATA channel may well not be enough,
most obviously if you want to have two optical drives,
you're stuffed, no where to put the PATA hard drives.

Plus, the same argument you are making about the need for a
PCI SATA adapter could go the other way- that you buy a PCI
PATA adapter for the next system "IF" it ends up needing one.

Yes, but the newer motherboards tend to be short on card slots too.

If you don't plan on having more than one optical drive in
your next system and plan on purchasing it within at least
the next couple years, it is most likely it will have PATA.

Going with SATA now does give you more future tho.

And you get the better SATA cabling now too.

I don't know what all hardware costs over there, but trying
to equate it based on % of a budget grade drive is a bit
misguided. The card has, as any product does, a certain bit
over overhead in design, manufacture, delivery, marketing,
warranty coverage, etc, etc.

Card can be surprisingly cheap anyway. Clearly
a lot easier to manufacture than a hard drive too.

The best alternative is to buy a PATA drive.

Nope, the best alternative is a cheaper PCI SATA adaptor.

It will be faster than an SATA, because not only will you
be avoiding use of a PCI SATA card (slower because
it's on the PCI bus instead of southbridge integrated as
your PATA controller onboard, is), but ALSO because
your motherboard's Via chipset is known to have a
somewhat low realized PCI throughput.

It isnt exactly a red hot performer, bet he wont even notice.

In other words, your board is among the
worst to use a PCI SATA controller on.

Oh bullshit.

Get the PATA drive and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Mad.

 

[Rod Speed]

kony typed

Hi Kony, I aggree.

More fool you.

My last PC bought in Sep 2005 has a SATA HD as bootable device and also IDE connectors
for older HDs. So there's no need for extra adapters!

And some current motherboards only have a single IDE channel.

Yes/No, last motherboards have SATA "and" PATA connectors.

And some current motherboards only have a single IDE channel.

No need for SATA if PATA can be connected. Forget it.

No thanks.

Don't understand. An onboard IDE will make no difference to an extra PCI SATA card on
performance.

He's claiming that a SATA drive and a PCI SATA adaptor
wont perform as well in that system as an IDE drive will.

And newer boards will already have a SATA interface.
I don't see any difference on adapter speeds.

Time for new glasses.

 

[Rod Speed]

Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When
its time to move to another motherboard, look for one that will
support the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may be
possible to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since
DVDs typically runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably run at
that reduced bandwidth.

Hasnt worked like that for many years now.

BUT the good news is that hard drives rarely transfer data any faster than that except
for burst from cache.

Oh bullshit.

 

[Rod Speed]

Ya think? Prove it.

YOU made those stupid pig ignorant claims.

YOU get to do the proving.

THATS how it works.

 

[Rod Speed]

In news:[email protected] Merrill P. L. Worthington typed:

Hi Merill, all motherboards of the last years have PATA connectors!
In addition to SATA connectors.

Some only have one of those.

And also new motherboards provide that interface.

Some only have one of those.

There was no question in using a HD and a CD/DVD in parallel!

There can be with a new motherboard that only has a
single PATA channel if he bought a PATA hard drive now.

You did not respond to Warra's inquery!

Yes he did.

 

[Rod Speed]

My PATA HD and DVD are on the same channel and the HD benches up to
its maximum of 40 Mb/S.

Device manager lists them at UDMA 133 and 33. Win XP Home.

Whether this can happen may depend on the bios.

Nope, not anymore.

 

[Rod Speed]

In news:K6omg.198$lv.167@fed1read12 Ed Light typed:

Hi Ed, and what has this to do with the OP's inquery?

He can end up in that situation if he does what you lot
recommend, buy a PATA drive now and later upgrades
to a motherboard which only has a single PATA channel.

He asked about SATA!

And you and others suggested he should go PATA instead.

 

[Ed Light]

In news:K6omg.198$lv.167@fed1read12 Ed Light typed:

Hi Ed, and what has this to do with the OP's inquery?
He asked about SATA!
Horst

You missed part of the thread. Though I had some news server problems and
maybe answered a bit off the appropriate sub-thread. Not sure. I had to skip
some messages that wouldn't load.

The OP presently has a pata m/b and doesn't really want a pci sata card. One
alternative suggested was to get a pata drive and later it would still work
on a newer motherboard, then that newer motherboards have only one pata
channel, then that having a hd and dvd on the same channel should drop the
udma speed to the dvd's. Now my post is relevant.


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[Ed Light]

Yes, but one PATA channel may well not be enough,
most obviously if you want to have two optical drives,
you're stuffed, no where to put the PATA hard drives.

To the rescue!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822998008

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[Ed Light]

Nope, not anymore.

How far back? KT133? Pentium 1?


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[Simon Finnigan]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need to
add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA) because
newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's one-
third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?

My new motherboard has 2 PATA channels. Wasn`t enough for me, so paid about
£10 for a PCI PATA card, giving me another 2 channels, allowing me 8 PATA
drives. Maybe this would be the better way round for you to go - get a PATA
drive now, and buy the PCI card in the future IF your new M/B doesn`t have
enough channels.

 

[Rod Speed]

To the rescue!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822998008

Dont need that if you have enough of a clue to buy a SATA drive.

 

[~misfit~]

YOU made those stupid pig ignorant claims.

YOU get to do the proving.

THATS how it works.

Thank you Rod. Couldn't have said it better. At least three totally
inaccurate statements in there and at least one questionable. I'm glad I
didn't have this guy teaching me PC stuff.

 

[Rod Speed]

You missed part of the thread. Though I had some news server problems
and maybe answered a bit off the appropriate sub-thread. Not sure. I
had to skip some messages that wouldn't load.

The OP presently has a pata m/b and doesn't really want a pci sata
card. One alternative suggested was to get a pata drive and later it
would still work on a newer motherboard, then that newer motherboards
have only one pata channel, then that having a hd and dvd on the same
channel should drop the udma speed to the dvd's.

No it doesnt.

Now my post is relevant.

No it isnt, its just plain wrong.

 

[Rod Speed]

How far back? KT133? Pentium 1?

Back about then.

 

[Rod Speed]

My new motherboard has 2 PATA channels. Wasn`t enough for me, so
paid about £10 for a PCI PATA card, giving me another 2 channels,
allowing me 8 PATA drives. Maybe this would be the better way round
for you to go - get a PATA drive now, and buy the PCI card in the
future IF your new M/B doesn`t have enough channels.

Makes more sense to do it the other way, buy a SATA drive
and a SATA PCI card, because that will be used only in the
dinosaur that wont be that fast anyway. No point in crippling
the speed of the hard drives in a new fast system by having
them on a PCI card.

 

[Warra]

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.



But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.


But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.


But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

Rod has anticipated my concern. I'm not upgrading yet but when I do
(maybe in 12 months) I expect the mobo manufacturers will have pared
back any spare IDE capacity to almost nothing.

Altho to be fair I guess there will always be one spare IDE slot because
the DVD or CD will use one slot on an P-IDE port and the other one will
be spare. But one PATA hard drive is not much.

 

[Warra]

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Hey you! OK, so one group has to go. Fair enough.

Altho the AMD group very often discusses upgrade configurations which
retain old components.

Check if the SATA drive includes an adapter. This lets you connect
the SATA drive to an IDE port (and also use the 4-pin Molex power
plug so you don't need a PSU with SATA power plugs). You would
then run your SATA drive to the IDE port in your old host. When
you get a new host later, you can remove the adapter and connect
the SATA drive to a SATA port on the new motherboard.

I haven't bought a SATA drive for awhile so I don't know if they
come with the adapter. If not, you can get them separately.
However, check the cost since getting a SATA card might be close to
the same price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812206001

Sadly the Samsung hard drive I am looking comes with no cables at all
and the UK cost of cables is similar to the cost of a PCI SATA card.