Economics of SATA hard drive

[Warra]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need to
add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA) because
newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's one-
third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?

 

[Rod Speed]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need
to add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA)
because newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's
one- third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?

Find a cheaper PCI SATA adaptor on ebay.

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Warra typed:

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need
to add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA)
because newer mobos will support only SATA.

Hi Warra, sorry but I learned both (PATA and SATA) are supported!

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.
But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's
one- third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

So what? As I said I know both interfaces on current motherboards.
I don't know the UK prices but I don't think UK market will defer from
German market - so You should also get motherboards with IDE adapters.
My current MSI Mobo (7131) from 2005 supports both interfaces.
Horst

 

[Derek]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need to
add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA) because
newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's one-
third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?

I wouldn't worry to much, many of the 'modern' sata boards also support
EIDE ) so you are unlikely to lose out when you need to upgrade
Derek

 

[Mike Redrobe]

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need
to add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA)
because newer mobos will support only SATA.

DVD drives are almost exclusively PATA, so its' unlikely many
newer mobos would drop PATA altogether for a while.

 

[Rod Speed]

Warra typed

Hi Warra, sorry but I learned both (PATA and SATA) are supported!

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

So what? As I said I know both interfaces on current motherboards.

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

I don't know the UK prices but I don't think UK market will defer from
German market - so You should also get motherboards with IDE adapters.

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

My current MSI Mobo (7131) from 2005 supports both interfaces.

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

 

[Rod Speed]

Warra wrote

DVD drives are almost exclusively PATA, so its' unlikely many newer mobos would drop
PATA altogether for a while.

Yes, but you may well see motherboards with not
enough IDE ports for the hard drives you want to use.

And there's the better cabling with SATA too.

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

But not necessarily with enough IDE ports in the future.

Hi Rod, don't You think Your copy key bounces?
Horst

 

[kony]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need to
add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA) because
newer mobos will support only SATA.

Newer boards will support at least one PATA channel because
OEMs (and others too) are still using and preferring PATA
optical drives.

Plus, the same argument you are making about the need for a
PCI SATA adapter could go the other way- that you buy a PCI
PATA adapter for the next system "IF" it ends up needing
one. If you don't plan on having more than one optical
drive in your next system and plan on purchasing it within
at least the next couple years, it is most likely it will
have PATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's one-
third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

I don't know what all hardware costs over there, but trying
to equate it based on % of a budget grade drive is a bit
misguided. The card has, as any product does, a certain bit
over overhead in design, manufacture, delivery, marketing,
warranty coverage, etc, etc.

What viable alternatives do I have?

The best alternative is to buy a PATA drive. It will be
faster than an SATA, because not only will you be avoiding
use of a PCI SATA card (slower because it's on the PCI bus
instead of southbridge integrated as your PATA controller
onboard, is), but ALSO because your motherboard's Via
chipset is known to have a somewhat low realized PCI
throughput. In other words, your board is among the worst
to use a PCI SATA controller on.

Get the PATA drive and let tomorrow take care of itself.

 

[Ed Light]

Later on if you need to you can get a little adapter that plugs into the
pata and makes it sata.

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[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need to
add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA) because
newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's one-
third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

What viable alternatives do I have?

Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When
its time to move to another motherboard, look for one that will support
the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may be possible
to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since DVDs typically
runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably run at that reduced
bandwidth. BUT the good news is that hard drives rarely transfer data
any faster than that except for burst from cache.

 

[Vanguard]

Am in the UK. Running an old system which works quite well: Via 266
mobo with Duron 1800 processor and 768MB of SD-RAM.

Will upgrade the system when I need the extra power. Currently need
to
add to my data storage. Don't want to get Parallel IDE (PATA) because
newer mobos will support only SATA.

Can get a 250GB Samsung hard drive (from Komplett) for about £60 inc
delivery which is a real bargain.

But a PCI SATA adaptor by Sunsway from the same dealer costs £19. It
supports 2 SATA devices. That is definitely not a bargain as it's
one-
third of the price of the 250 GB drive! What a swizz!

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Check if the SATA drive includes an adapter. This lets you connect the
SATA drive to an IDE port (and also use the 4-pin Molex power plug so
you don't need a PSU with SATA power plugs). You would then run your
SATA drive to the IDE port in your old host. When you get a new host
later, you can remove the adapter and connect the SATA drive to a SATA
port on the new motherboard.

I haven't bought a SATA drive for awhile so I don't know if they come
with the adapter. If not, you can get them separately. However, check
the cost since getting a SATA card might be close to the same price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812206001

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] kony typed:

Newer boards will support at least one PATA channel because
OEMs (and others too) are still using and preferring PATA
optical drives.

Hi Kony, I aggree.
My last PC bought in Sep 2005 has a SATA HD as bootable
device and also IDE connectors for older HDs.
So there's no need for extra adapters!

Plus, the same argument you are making about the need for a
PCI SATA adapter could go the other way- that you buy a PCI
PATA adapter for the next system "IF" it ends up needing
one. If you don't plan on having more than one optical
drive in your next system and plan on purchasing it within
at least the next couple years, it is most likely it will
have PATA.

Yes/No, last motherboards have SATA "and" PATA connectors.

No need for SATA if PATA can be connected. Forget it.

The best alternative is to buy a PATA drive. It will be
faster than an SATA, because not only will you be avoiding
use of a PCI SATA card (slower because it's on the PCI bus
instead of southbridge integrated as your PATA controller
onboard, is), but ALSO because your motherboard's Via
chipset is known to have a somewhat low realized PCI
throughput. In other words, your board is among the worst
to use a PCI SATA controller on.

Don't understand. An onboard IDE will make no difference to
an extra PCI SATA card on performance.
And newer boards will already have a SATA interface.
I don't see any difference on adapter speeds.
Horst

 

[~misfit~]

Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When
its time to move to another motherboard, look for one that will
support the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may be
possible to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since
DVDs typically runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably run at
that reduced bandwidth. BUT the good news is that hard drives rarely
transfer data any faster than that except for burst from cache.

What a crock of misinformation!

 

[Merrill P. L. Worthington]

What a crock of misinformation!

Ya think? Prove it.

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Merrill P. L. Worthington typed:

Warra wrote: What viable alternatives do I have?

Consider getting a PATA drive of whatever size fits your needs. When
its time to move to another motherboard, look for one that will
support the hard drive. If it only has one PATA interface, it may be
possible to use it for both the hard drive and a DVD drive. Since
DVDs typically runs at 66mhz, the hard drive would probably run at
that reduced bandwidth. BUT the good news is that hard drives rarely
transfer data any faster than that except for burst from cache.

Hi Merill, all motherboards of the last years have PATA connectors!
In addition to SATA connectors.
And also new motherboards provide that interface.
There was no question in using a HD and a CD/DVD in parallel!
You did not respond to Warra's inquery!
Horst

 

[Ed Light]

My PATA HD and DVD are on the same channel and the HD benches up to its
maximum of 40 Mb/S.
Device manager lists them at UDMA 133 and 33. Win XP Home. Whether this can
happen may depend on the bios.

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[Ed Light]

The new nvidia chipsets for AMD AM2 have one ATA channel.


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[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Vanguard typed:

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Hi Vanguard, that's Your personal problem.

Check if the SATA drive includes an adapter. This lets you connect
the SATA drive to an IDE port (and also use the 4-pin Molex power
plug so you don't need a PSU with SATA power plugs). You would then
run your SATA drive to the IDE port in your old host. When you get a
new host later, you can remove the adapter and connect the SATA drive
to a SATA port on the new motherboard.

But this is only a "via corners" solution.
New motherboards already have SATA connectors.

I haven't bought a SATA drive for awhile so I don't know if they come
with the adapter. If not, you can get them separately. However,
check the cost since getting a SATA card might be close to the same
price.

Hi WHY to buy an expensive SATA HD drive and adapter,
when there's an IDE HD drive available/to be connected?
And then to pay 18 USD extra cost for that?
The speed of SATA would never relay on this.
Horst

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:K6omg.198$lv.167@fed1read12 Ed Light typed:

My PATA HD and DVD are on the same channel and the HD benches up to
its maximum of 40 Mb/S.
Device manager lists them at UDMA 133 and 33. Win XP Home. Whether
this can happen may depend on the bios.

Hi Ed, and what has this to do with the OP's inquery?
He asked about SATA!
Horst