ECCO Pro

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Ted K

I have only found the following site for the program
ftp://ftp.netmanage.com/pub/support/pub/utilities/EC401/Ecco32/
and I am unable to download it. Is there another site for it? Or
can someone email it to me as a zip file?

TIA
 
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Dan Boyd

Dan said:

OOPS, that site just directs you to the link you already have. Sorry about that.
I know of no other place to get the program from, and as it is an EXE file over 6.5 megs in size, I'm afraid it would plug up your email.
Let me know if you want me to try emailing it.
 
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safesurfer

I have only found the following site for the program
ftp://ftp.netmanage.com/pub/support/pub/utilities/EC401/Ecco32/
and I am unable to download it. Is there another site for it? Or
can someone email it to me as a zip file?

TIA
It doesn't appear to work if you are clicking on the link on a web
page. Use a FTP program instead and you should have no problem.
By the way, it's a great program I've used it for many years.
 
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Dan Boyd

safesurfer said:
It doesn't appear to work if you are clicking on the link on a web
page. Use a FTP program instead and you should have no problem.
By the way, it's a great program I've used it for many years.

I just went to the FTP site and double clicked on the Setup32.exe file, and downloaded it just fine.
 
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JunkMonkey

Ted, you need an FTP utility to download Ecco. Sorry, I use a commercial
FTP product, so I don't have any free suggestions for you in that area but
I'm sure other posters have recommendations. If you've never used File
Transfer Protocols (FTP), most FTP utilities work in a way similar to
Windows Explorer. And most public FTP sites require that you sign on with a
user ID as "Anonymous" Passwords are also sometimes "Anonymous", or
nothing, or something else. There is usually a web page associated with the
public FTP site telling you the login details.

Knowing how to use FTP will open up the ability to download larger files
than what is normally available with a browser download.

I downloaded it (Ecco) as I am something of a PIM collector, always looking
for the perfect PIM. But I was a bit surprised at how much I disliked it.
Ecco was clearly was designed some time in the late 80's early 90's and the
user interface reflects a very early Windows approach. That's just my
impression based on my needs, your mileage may vary.

Personally at this point, I prefer Palm desktop combined with Scrapbook for
my PIM/data storage needs. Both are freeware. Palm desktop is free for
downloading from PalmOne and does not require the use of a Palm Pilot
handheld (but it's a BIG download, those who want to try it might want to
find someone with a CD) Sorry, I don't remember where I got Scrapbook, but
I'm sure a Google search will uncover a source for it.
 
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Richard Steinfeld

Another program similar to ECCO Pro you could look at is Task
Plus, available here.
http://www.padring.com/soft/Business/Specialized/TaskPlus.html
I downloaded it (Ecco) as I am something of a PIM collector, always
looking for the perfect PIM. But I was a bit surprised at how much I
disliked it. Ecco was clearly was designed some time in the late 80's
early 90's and the user interface reflects a very early Windows
approach. That's just my impression based on my needs, your mileage
may vary.

I bought ECCO Simplicity (an ECCO subset) in 1996. It had just
been taken over by NetManage from a small company in Oregon. I
have no idea what ECCO stands for. I could not find out from the
people who developed it, nor could I from the buyer. I later
"upgraded" to the full-blown program that you can now download
free. I think that what NetManage wanted when they bought the
software was the group aspect of ECCO; it members of a group
transmit memos to each other and to schedule a meeting easily:
the kind of stuff that became office-standard via Microsoft
Office in corporations. NetManage probably had eyes on expanding
this networkability to larger networks, and perhaps the web.

At the time, it was the top-rated PIM. It is an extremely
powerful program and almost infinitely customizable. It is
outline-based; almost anything can be put into an outline form.
You can create outlines on as many topics as you want. You can
move or copy outline blocks from one function (phonebook) to
another (an outline or the scheduler). Further, a number of
fields can be merged from one mode to another as fields that are
tacked onto a specific outline. You can almost envision each
outline as being a custom computer program of its own and/or a
template for people (such as yourself) to plug data into.

Right now, I'm using ECCO with my Handspring Visor Delux
palmthing. They synchronize through the main Palm interface
software protocols and the latest version of the Palm software
(Handspring is a Palm-based organizer, now, in fact, owned by
Palm). Because ECCO predates the Palm OS, certain things that you
create within ECCO will not transfer over into the Palm device.
For example, the phonebook provides an open-ended notes field for
every phone entry. The contents of that field don't show up on my
handheld device. The issue is simply that ECCO offers many more
capabilities than the Palm OS does and has more user-friendly
abilities. For example, if you reschedule an appointment in ECCO,
you can just drag the appointment event to the new date and time;
with the Palm software, you've got to cut and paste it.

ECCO's later development coincided with the US Robotics Pilot,
which was sold and became the Palm Pilot. Thus, ECCO, believe it
or not, is provided with the four standard Palm "Channels." For
that reason, it is possible to get your data back and forth.
Those channels are set in stone. However, like I said above, ECCO
is much more capable and in Palm terms, ECCO already contains
more "channels", and allows you to create hundreds of them if you
want. No matter what, the two entities can only synchronize data
in the four standard Pilot channels. Anything else won't wind up
on the Palm device, but it will remain intact in ECCO.

ECCO follows Windows standards halfway and its own the other
half. I am not a wild fan of Windows conventions; a lot of them
are just patch jobs that have become standard; some are downright
stupid and Microsoft's use of the computer keyboard was clearly
implemented by people who don't know how to type. ECCO, in most
cases, is more sensible. The capabilities go on and on and on. I
still can't say that I know this program! Having said that, ECCO
presents certain problems:
- It is so flexible that it can be confusing. There's only one
level of "undo," and you may have already run two steps beyond
that.
- Text can be sized, fonted, bolded, etc., as in a good word
processor. However, the text attributes may not be visible in all
modes of display. For example, the month-window calendar displays
text-only; no color. The daily view shows all the nice stuff.
- Printing is totally insane. Changes may or may not "take"
permanently. There are no "save" buttons in print layouts. Every
time I want to print a monthly calendar, it takes me a half hour
and 10 or so bad prints to get one sheet for the wall. Unless I
ensure that every aspect of the print job will be printed, I'll
have to go into every setting window to change certain items back
the way I want from defaults that I don't like and can't seem to
change.
- ECCO and my Okidata 12i printer don't get along with each
other. The issues are just nuts. Like, if I set the printer
defaults for line art and the dpi to 300, I can get a decent
printout of the calendar. But if I set the printer in its normal
mode: graphics at 1200 x 600 dpi, my days are printed with
horizontal lines, but not the verticals. Having to do special
printer default resets just to print a one-page calendar is truly
crazy-making. I can't live with this. The program worked a whole
lot better with an HP 2 heavy-duty 300 dpi Laserjet from 1989.

For reasons that I can't understand, NetManage just abandoned
this program after Windows 95 came out. This is a mystery: a sane
company doesn't just dump a product that's gotten such rave
reviews. Like XyWrite, ECCO has a cult following.

I'm now using Windows Me. I intend to move up to Windows XP. I
have some doubts that ECCO will make the transition smoothly. I
do trust that the Palm OS, on the other hand, will be kept
current and that it will be backward-compatible (even though it
does appear that the Palm OS is being split into two paths). I
suspect that I will wind up moving my calendar and address book
functions into Palm, and keep the outlines in ECCO.

ECCO's documentation has always been a sore spot. The old printed
doc was just a reprint of the help screens. In later versions,
they just dispensed with the book altogether. Netmanage provides
all the documentation on their web site, as well as FAQs,
bulletins, etc. In addition, PALM provides certain information on
their own site for ECCO synchronization. If you own a Palm OS
product, you may be able to get personal support for this
(limited, of course).

So, if you want to only use your PIM on your PC, ECCO may be
perfect for you. Or not. Ironically, you may prefer the earlier
ECCO simplicity. That's a very nice piece of work. It is
essentially not as unlimited as ECCO Pro. In other words, you
can't create 45 outlines, but you're limited to nine!

Richard
 
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Ted K

OOPS, that site just directs you to the link you already have. Sorry about that.
I know of no other place to get the program from, and as it is an EXE file over 6.5 megs in size, I'm afraid it would plug up your email.
Let me know if you want me to try emailing it.

I wouold appreciate that, Dan. Maybe you can send it as a zip file,
althought I doubt it wouold be much compressed..

I did try an FTP pgm but am not too familiar with it and probably am
not using it right.

TIA
Ted
 
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Ted K

Ted, you need an FTP utility to download Ecco. Sorry, I use a commercial
FTP product, so I don't have any free suggestions for you in that area but
I'm sure other posters have recommendations. If you've never used File
Transfer Protocols (FTP), most FTP utilities work in a way similar to
Windows Explorer. And most public FTP sites require that you sign on with a
user ID as "Anonymous" Passwords are also sometimes "Anonymous", or
nothing, or something else. There is usually a web page associated with the
public FTP site telling you the login details.

Knowing how to use FTP will open up the ability to download larger files
than what is normally available with a browser download.
snip

Tried an FTP pgm but I must be doing something wrong. Address used is
ftp://ftp.netmanage.com/pub/support/pub/utilities/EC401/Ecco32/ but
error returned "can't get [path] hose connection denied. I did use
"anonymous" for log on.

Also tried ftp.netmanage.co/ etc. with same result.

Also left "password" blank and used my valid email addr as PW. Same
result

My only usage of the ftp pgm was to upload a web page of pictures
after a USMC MAG24 reunion last May. That part worked out fine, but
no luck with the above.

Ted
 
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Alastair Smeaton

Tried an FTP pgm but I must be doing something wrong. Address used is
ftp://ftp.netmanage.com/pub/support/pub/utilities/EC401/Ecco32/ but
error returned "can't get [path] hose connection denied. I did use
"anonymous" for log on.

Also tried ftp.netmanage.co/ etc. with same result.

Also left "password" blank and used my valid email addr as PW. Same
result

My only usage of the ftp pgm was to upload a web page of pictures
after a USMC MAG24 reunion last May. That part worked out fine, but
no luck with the above.

Ted

Ted - I am puzzled - I used the new Mozilla - (firefox) - and am used
to IE - where you click on an ftp link and it just downloads.

Just downloaded ecco pro thru firefox simply by clicking on the above
link !

have you tried simply using your normal web browser ?
 
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Dan Boyd

Ted said:
I wouold appreciate that, Dan. Maybe you can send it as a zip file,
althought I doubt it wouold be much compressed..

I did try an FTP pgm but am not too familiar with it and probably am
not using it right.

TIA
Ted

Ted, I loaded the file here http://briefcase.yahoo.com/dan4851 instead of trying to email such a large file. You shouldn't have any problem downloading it from there. Let me know when you get it downloaded. Cheers
 
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Ted K

Ted, I loaded the file here http://briefcase.yahoo.com/dan4851 instead of trying to email such a large file. You shouldn't have any problem downloading it from there. Let me know when you get it downloaded. Cheers

Dan, thanks. DL was successful. I tried the Netmanage site and found
that the DL also works now! Not sure as to what I was doing wrong
before.

One other query before I go off Googleing. On the installation Ecco
popped an error msg "Pilot Desk Top" not installed. What is the
implication of that?

Taking a quick glance at ECCO, it seems formidable. I think I will be
refering to the Yahoo group frequently.

Once again, I appreciate your consideration in helping me out.

Ted
 
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Roger Johansson

Ted K said:
Taking a quick glance at ECCO, it seems formidable.

Does somebody know how to change the background color in such an eco file?

One of the example eco files has a bright white background, another has a
light yellow background, so it is obviously possible to set the background
color. But I cannot find out where to set it, or to change it.
 
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Dan Boyd

Ted said:
Dan, thanks. DL was successful. I tried the Netmanage site and found
that the DL also works now! Not sure as to what I was doing wrong
before.

One other query before I go off Googleing. On the installation Ecco
popped an error msg "Pilot Desk Top" not installed. What is the
implication of that?

Taking a quick glance at ECCO, it seems formidable. I think I will be
refering to the Yahoo group frequently.

Once again, I appreciate your consideration in helping me out.

Ted

Ted, I have no idea what the error message refers to, I had no errors at all when I installed it on my machine.
Happy to hear you got it downloaded though, now if it works we'll both be happy campers. :blush:)

Dan
 
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Dan Boyd

Roger said:
Does somebody know how to change the background color in such an eco
file?

One of the example eco files has a bright white background, another
has a light yellow background, so it is obviously possible to set the
background color. But I cannot find out where to set it, or to change
it.

Took some digging, but I finaly found it.
Go to File > Properties > Display tab > Color Preferences
HTH

Dan
 
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Roger Johansson

Took some digging, but I finaly found it.
Go to File > Properties > Display tab > Color Preferences

Great, now I can start exploring this program.
(The column grid color is still bright cyan, but at least it can be turned
off, Tools/Display/Column Grid.)

Interesting program, lots of stuff.
It is fast, considering its complexity.
Impressive import and export possibilities.
 
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Keith Gardner

One other query before I go off Googleing. On the installation Ecco
Ecco can sync with a Palm Pilot if you have Palm's software loaded. If you
don't have a Palm, or don't want to sync to Ecco, just ignore the message.

Nah, it's really easy to use, flexible and powerful.

Keith
 
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Keith Gardner

Does somebody know how to change the background color in such an eco

File > Properties > Display tab > Click the Color Preferences button.

Keith
 
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There is a new Windows "one-click" EccoPro 32-bit and 64-bit installer for XP, Vista and Windows 7 available for "Members Only" at http://www.compusol.org/ecco/. The automated setup will install all registry entries including the Palm conduits, the Microsoft Help programs necessary for Vista and Windows 7 and the "default.ect" template fix.

Additionally, there is exciting news for PalmOS and webOS users. Finally, after 13 years, manual editing of the Windows Registry is no longer required. CompuSol has updated the latest EccoPro Installer in cooperation with MotionApps to make it compatible with webOS and the new Palm Pre.

To introduce you to this amazing piece of software please watch a 52 minute video guide at http://www.compusol.org/ecco/video/.
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