Downloaded Office 2007 but it didn't come with Outlook (Why not?)


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~BD~

jan said:
This is true, but, interestingly, the ONLY place I found all the answers
was in alt.comp.freeware!

None of the Microsoft groups had the answer; but, a search in alt.comp.freeware
found the legitimate way to download, for free, both Microsoft Office
2007 Home and Student (from microsoft's web site) and Microsoft Office
2003 Student and Teacher Edition.

In addition, the Outlook guys didn't tell me that 2007 didn't contain
Outlook; the freeware guys did.

So, while it may be the wrong group, the freeware group rocks!
To what Microsoft groups do you refer, Jan? Microsoft severed its
relationship with Usenet several years ago.

This is where you should seek Microsoft info. Nowadays
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Isn't it considered 'freeware' the additional stuff that comes,
for free, like IE and OE, with the operating system?
Probably it's OK to stop answering Harry's nag posts :)

I don't mind that you post in the freeware group, but then, I don't read
that group, so *officially*, I'm not allowed to comment.
 
J

jan

You've previously stated your Office was 2007. The tinyurl link you
provided appears to be for Office 2010 yet the redirect to the MSFT
Answers Office 2010 forum indicates a thread title of Office 2003.
I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.

People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
and Teacher which I had prior installed.

Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.

Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
works out.

Thanks for all your help!
 
W

...winston

jan said:
I had explained that I had installed (something) long ago on the
kid's PC, which crashed. Up until this thread, I had thought it
was Office 2007 Home & Student; but when we downloaded the free
download off the Microsoft web site, it didn't contain Outlook 2007.

People here apprised me of the fact that Office 2007 H&S never came
with Outlook, so, I belatedly realized it must have been 2003 Student
and Teacher which I had prior installed.

Since the kid is nowhere near me at the moment, I was seeking a
download, which I found at that Microsoft link, for 2003 T&S.

Sorry about the mixup. I think we're ok now, since 2003 Teacher
and Student has Outlook 2003 in it. I've told my kid to download
the freeware download and to install it and let me know how it
works out.

Thanks for all your help!
Hi Jan,
We're getting closer to being on the same page

As others have noted.
Anything, any version, any edition of Office (03,07,10,13) is not freeware.

Even with an available MSFT link to download Office 2003 Student and
Teacher, you'll need a valid (MSFT provided) original Office 2003 S/T
product key to install/activate for use

Iirc, and its been years since 2003...that link should be for the trial
version which requires a valid product key to be entered to fully
activate it for use.
- If you do have a valid Product Key for the Office 2003 S/T edition,
it can be installed/activated for use on three (3) systems.

If you don't have a valid product key...then that's a much bigger haystack.
 
V

VanguardLH

No version of Microsoft Office has ever been free, and if you found a
way to download them, it is *not* legitimate.
Microsoft does has *backup* copies you can download. The OP gave the
web page where you go. It is Microsoft. This is the same place that I
went to download Office 2010 Home & Student and use my existing product
key to reinstall it. You will need a valid license (product key) to
install the downloaded installer. That means you need to buy a
legitimate license key which means you also paid for that backup copy.

jan is not only confusing the issue by cross-posting to UNRELATED
newsgroups but also adding to the confusion in what he deems is "free".
Free, to jan, means obtaining the installer again without cost. Instead
of having to pay for replacement CDs to get shipped by Microsoft, jan
can download the installer for "free". He still had to buy the product
sometime before but jan doesn't have to buy the whole thing again just
to download the installer file nor does jan have to even pay for
replacement CDs from Microsoft. The "free" part is just the download of
the installer file. jan still must have and have paid for the license.

jan said "I put MS Office 2007 from my CDROM onto his hard disk".
Before he posted he obviously knew what "my CDROM" he already has. Now
his story (in another subthread) is he thinks he installed Office 2003
Home & Teacher on his kid's computer. So just how could be not read the
label on his "my CDROM" to not know if it was 2007 or 2003?

Regardless of what he supposes he previously installed on his kid's
computer, what *he* has in his mitts is the Office 2007 Home & Student
CD-ROM. We can only address the install CD he actually has, not what he
thinks he might've installed on his kid's computer a few years ago.

Now jan has downloaded Office 2003 Home & Teacher from Microsoft's
backup page. EVERY edition of Office 2003 included Outlook 2003 so it
doesn't matter which Office 2003 edition he downloaded. What jan has is
an install CD for Office 2007 Home & Student along with its product key.
Obviously jan cannot use that 2007 product key for the 2003 version. So
I don't know what jan thinks he/she can do with the downloaded installer
for the wrong version (doesn't match his version) from Microsoft.
 
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jan

If you don't have a valid product key...then that's a much bigger
haystack.
I have a valid key.

I guess I should have said "free download" and not
"freeware download", as the download is free.

Since I have so many Office products lying around, I just
use a key that I have, so, it's 'free' to me; but I do
understand that technically, even with the free download,
it's not freeware.

The funny thing is, based on searches, the freeware guys know
far more than the payware (is that what you call Office?) guys
do when it comes to freely obtainable downloads.

All the payware guys seem to know about is the CDROM.
 
V

VanguardLH

jan said:
I must have had on the kid's computer an older version of Microsoft
Office 2003 Student & Teacher Edition.
EVERY edition of Office 2003 includes Outlook 2003. So no matter which
edition you downloaded from Microsoft, they all would have Outlook. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_2003#Editions

Your first/starter post said " MS Office 2007 from my CDROM". Obviously
you have a CD with Office 2007 Home & Student. You looked at it and
that's what is in your possession. That is your "my CDROM". The
product key for that only works for that. You cannot use its product
key for the downloaded Office 2003 installer.

Per your first post, you have a CD for Office 2007 Home & Student. How
is a download of Office 2003 <any edition> going to help out your kid?
You don't have the product key for the 2003 version. You have a product
key for the 2007 version. Although the kid's computer crashed (hard
disk died), maybe he put the COA sticker with the product key for Office
2003 on the computer case. Your kid will need a 2003 product key to
match up with the downloaded 2003 installer. Does he have one?
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Microsoft does has *backup* copies you can download. The OP gave the
web page where you go. It is Microsoft. This is the same place that I
went to download Office 2010 Home & Student and use my existing product
key to reinstall it.

You've said what I meant more clearly than I did. You can't get a
legitimate copy of Microsoft Office for free simply by downloading it.
 
J

jan

Microsoft Usenet groups 'closed' some years ago
Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
microsoft.public.outlook then?

Do they not get posted?
 
J

jan

No version of Microsoft Office has ever been free, and if you found a way
to download them, it is *not* legitimate.
That's untrue.

You can download all versions of Microsoft Office, from Microsoft, for free.

You just need a product key in order to make them work. :)
 
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...winston

"jan" wrote in message I have a valid key.
Since I have so many Office products lying around, I just
use a key that I have, so, it's 'free' to me; but I do
understand that technically, even with the free download,
it's not freeware.
With all those Office product keys...it would seem that at least one
installation CD would be available.

I've misplaced software, but I don't recall ever misplacing all
versions/cd's of the same software.

An Office product key is only good for the version/edition that provided the
product key.....since this post started with a statement that you've the
Office 2007 CD Rom, then link to the Office 2010 forums for a link to Office
2003...it's really confusing what you or your son have.

If the Office 2003 S/T was preinstalled on that machine prior to
crashing...it included an OEM Product Key thus a retail key of Office 2003
(no matter how many you may have) may not suffice to install/activate it.
 
B

~BD~

jan said:
Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
microsoft.public.outlook then?
Good question, Jan!

You might possibly have expected someone from Microsoft to respond. In my
experience, they don't - and very rarely ever did! Even those responding
at http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us are not, usually, employees of
Microsoft itself.
Do they not get posted?
Yes - they DO get posted! Please note this extract ....

"Usenet is distributed among a large, constantly changing conglomeration of
servers that store and forward messages to one another in so-called news
feeds. Individual users may read messages from and post messages to a local
server operated by a commercial usenet provider, their Internet service
provider, university, employer, or their own server."

It took me quite some time to understand how Usenet is set up and just how
it works. You may, like me, benefit from reading and understanding the
content here:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

Please advise what you think of the article, Jan.
 
F

FromTheRafters

Hmmmmmmm... what happens to the posts that go to
microsoft.public.outlook then?

Do they not get posted?
Perhaps what BD meant was that Microsoft 'abandoned' the
microsoft.public.* hierarchy when they stopped hosting them on their
own servers.
 
S

s|b

This Office version does seem to come with Outlook, so, does it make
sense for me to have my kid download that instead?
You're still off-topic in alt.comp.freeware. Go away.
 
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Danny D.

VanguardLH said:
Microsoft does has *backup* copies you can download. The OP gave the web
page where you go. It is Microsoft. ...
You will need a valid license (product key) to install
This is technically true, but, in practice, you *can* get office for free.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3803/9806260394_ccd715d344_o.gif

A while ago, I called Dell to ask for the backup CDROMs and
Dell sent me the operating system and drivers but not Office 2010 H&S.

Calling Microsoft at their special "Supplemental & Replacement Parts"
number (800-360-7561, x3, x2) they kindly FedEx'd overnight a full retail
version of Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Student backup CDROM, for free,
(as my Dell never came with the computer).

I had to fax them a detailed receipt, showing that Microsoft Office
had initially been installed when I bought the PC; but that was all
I had to prove (other than the OEM product ID off the software, as
they wouldn't take a product key).
 
J

jan

Your kid will need a 2003 product key to match up
with the downloaded 2003 installer. Does he have one?
We have both.

I had installed the software so long ago, that I was mistaken
about the version.

I assumed it was 2007 but it was 2003. So both are in my possession,
and he downloaded both. He has since installed the 2003 and there have
been no problems.

I didn't have to send him the CD itself; just the key.
 
J

jan

You are correct, FTR .... but if I had actually said that, Jan's interest
may not have been piqued! ;-)
Is the implication that, without Microsoft serving the newsfeed,
that the outlook ng would die?

Because it sure does seem to be dead, if living.

It's sort of like a non-responsive zombie newsgroup.
 
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J

jan

You might possibly have expected someone from Microsoft to respond. In my
experience, they don't - and very rarely ever did!
Exactly!

It's a newsgroup - but more like a zombie newsgroup.

I don't think anyone from the Outlook side answered.
 

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