Downgrade to XP

N

ND Dad

I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with the
comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and ~28
GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have been
trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that caused
another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get a
completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.

I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
and how?

It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
clean them up.
 
B

Bob

If you're willing to shell out the cash for XP and void you're warranty you
probably can.
 
R

Richard G. Harper

There is no automatic downgrade "Vista to XP" right unless your laptop
manufacturer offers it, nor is there any way whatsoever to simply
"downgrade" Vista to XP. You'd need to do a clean install of XP and hope
that you could find the drivers and other software you need.
 
M

Malke

ND said:
I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore
points, cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies
with the comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard
drive
space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
~28 GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive.
Somehow I have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2
days I have been trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and
I think that caused another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I
just cannot seem to get a completed view of what is on my hard drive and
where.

I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
and how?

Call Lenovo and find out.

General information about replacing Vista with XP:

A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, Lenovo etc.) computer:

1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model
computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.

2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling
them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
void the warranty, you make the decision.

3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can
have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will
be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.

4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore
disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.

5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if you
have any data you want, back it up first.

6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
running XP instead.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Reinstalling_Windows - What
you will need on-hand

Malke
 
Q

Quaoar

Richard said:
There is no automatic downgrade "Vista to XP" right unless your laptop
manufacturer offers it, nor is there any way whatsoever to simply
"downgrade" Vista to XP. You'd need to do a clean install of XP and
hope that you could find the drivers and other software you need.

Entirely correct. Now, what, as an MVP (or am I wrong?) do you propose
to handle the extensive list of boffo problems in Vista?

Q
 
N

ND Dad

Thanks. I will check the vendor first. If it is possible I will downgrade to
XP.
Do you know of any software that will scan my drive and tell me what where
stuff is? Someone must have figured out a better way to clean up Vista by now.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

ND said:
I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with the
comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and ~28
GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have been
trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that caused
another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get a
completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.


If you're losing free space at such an alarming rate, you need to be
looking into the very strong possibility of a massive malware
infestation. There's nothing inherent in Vista to prevent any averagely
knowledgeable user from seeing everything on his/her hard drive.

I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
and how?


And what has Lenovo had to say when you contacted them for warranty
support?

It's your computer, so the choice is, ultimately, yours.

However, there could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of
which you should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer
model in question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be
no WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's
diverse components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer
about the availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an
OEM-installed operating system and replacing it with another will almost
invariably void any and all support agreements and, sometimes, even the
warranty. You would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista before
getting any support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the
computer's manufacturer for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the
additional cost involved in purchasing a WinXP license for this new
computer.

After backing up any data you wish to transfer to the new OS
installation, simply boot from the WinXP installation CD. You'll be
offered the opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part
of the installation process. (You may need to re-arrange the order of
boot devices in the PC's BIOS to boot from the CD.)

HOW TO Install Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;316941

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

Then, assuming you were successful in obtaining WinXP-specific
device drivers so that the computer can be made to work with WinXP, the
backed up data can be restored and applications (those that are
WinXP-compatible, that is) re-installed.




--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Quaoar said:
Entirely correct. Now, what, as an MVP (or am I wrong?) do you propose
to handle the extensive list of boffo problems in Vista?


First of all, there would actually have to be an "extensive list of
'boffo' problems," wouldn't there? The OP's problems have little or
nothing to do with Vista, beyond the learning curve that any new OS is
going to present.



--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

ND Dad said:
I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with
the
comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
~28
GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have
been
trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that
caused
another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get
a
completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.

I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
and how?

It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
clean them up.


Run Disk Cleanup now and again. Don't forget to go into Disk Cleanup's 'more
options' to clean up excessive restore points.

When your hard drive approaches 75% capacity, think about getting a USB
external drive and move documents etc to it..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
M

Michael Jennings

Google Desktop works with Vista, here's a link:
http://desktop.google.com/
This uses disk space to help you find things - I don't think you want it.

If you do a Lenovo PC System Recovery, after backing up any data
you cherish to CDs or DVDs, you'll clean up Vista. If you still yearn
for XP after that, you'll have at least practiced installing an OS, and
can evaluate the chore of switching to XP more realistically.
 
A

AlexB

Echoing what Bruce said I suggest you do a thorough system cleanup using
MICROSOFT means, not 3-rd party means. I am going to post a set of
instructions I've written for myself but before doing that I want to amplify
a comment by another poster who said that Vista has none of the problems
you've run into. They are ALL of your own making. Most likely some of the
users of this computer are browsing juicy websites indiscriminately, perhaps
UAC was turned off, only God know what you did to your Vista.

Vista is an IQ test and you definitely scored low.

My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.

Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1 for
Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.

<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>

It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes, you
should consider them.
Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.

Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830). It
will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may give you
a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan your
entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot of
stuff in it.

<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...e0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>

Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
<http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove specific,
prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows Vista,
Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830

You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
<http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a button:
"Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.

Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of software
which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be asked
for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every week you
will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You should
check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them. Many of
them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB S&D.

http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html

It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go to a
website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D will
either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill it and
give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.

Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning

<http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>

Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh exception
SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.

The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
The slow death of AV technology:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
Vista did it in.
Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous trolls
that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D do not
clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT in
full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that match
known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so long
to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it has a
representation in the registry. The only way to remove a particular piece of
malware is to CLEAN the registry off of this key.
SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that match
its database of malicious software. After all culprits are found the user is
asked if he/she want to remove the malicious software. If you say OK, then
the registry IS CLEANED of this set of malicious execs. The execs themselves
are killed in the respective folders.
In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
"housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is NOT
recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.

*******************************
Additional security measure
To prevent unauthorized breaks into your computer, go to Computer
management, and disable Disable "Internet Guest Account." Make sure "Guest"
account is disabled. It should be disabled by default.
 
N

ND Dad

Good News...Lenovo offers an XP Downgrade recovery set. The following is per
their website.

"The Windows XP Recovery CD set provided by Lenovo does not require any
online activation from Microsoft. It is as if it came on the system's preload
and contains all required drivers, language support, and applications in
addition to the Windows XP operating system software. See Downgrading to
Windows XP for more information about downgrading your system to Windows XP."

This sounds fairly stright forward to use.
 
A

Alias

ND said:
Good News...Lenovo offers an XP Downgrade recovery set. The following is per
their website.
Congrats.


"The Windows XP Recovery CD set provided by Lenovo does not require any
online activation from Microsoft. It is as if it came on the system's preload
and contains all required drivers, language support, and applications in
addition to the Windows XP operating system software. See Downgrading to
Windows XP for more information about downgrading your system to Windows XP."

This sounds fairly stright forward to use.

Wonder why no one had a downgrade from XP to Me or Y2K yet all the OEMs
are jumping all over each other to provide XP if asked?

Alias
 
F

Frank

Alias said:
Wonder why no one had a downgrade from XP to Me or Y2K yet all the OEMs
are jumping all over each other to provide XP if asked?

Alias

You're really stupid aren't you? You're too broke to afford Vista so
you're stuck with that POS toy os urbuttoo. It's made for losers like
you. You deserve to be stuck with such crap!
Frank
 
C

Colon Terminus

ND Dad said:
I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with
the
comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
~28
GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have
been
trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that
caused
another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get
a
completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.

I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
and how?

It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
clean them up.

Do the upgrade yourself or hire someone to do it for you. You will be
enormously pleased with the result.

I run a small business in Southeastern Appalachia ... a town of about 6500.
I do about forty Vista to XP upgrades per month, mostly laptops. My
customers are delighted with the results.
 
F

Frank

Colon said:
Do the upgrade yourself or hire someone to do it for you. You will be
enormously pleased with the result.

It's a "downgrade" colon terminal.
I run a small business in Southeastern Appalachia ... a town of about 6500.
I do about forty Vista to XP upgrades per month, mostly laptops. My
customers are delighted with the results.

Bullsh*t! You're just another lying as*hole loser.
Frank
 

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