DOCTYPE problems with scroll-bars

G

Guest

When I incert the following DOCTYPE statement:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">

a left-right scroll bar appears at the bottom of the page when it is not
needed. I am using frames and in the frame properties I have ticked "When
needed" for scroll bars.

If I remove the DOCTYPE statement, the page displays perfectly.

Any help is much appreciated.
 
R

Ronx

With a !doctype IE renders table cells, <divs> and other containers in
Standards mode, which is different to rendering in Quirks mode
without the !doctype.
<table cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0>
<tr>
<td width=100>...</td>

With a !doctype, the above cell will have a total width of 104px - the
cellpadding 2 x 2px, plus the cell content of 100px.
Without the !doctype, the cell will have a total width of 100px - The
cellpadding 2 x 2px, plus cell content of 96px.
With the !doctype, all (modern) browsers will render the table in the
same way, without it, rendering may be as for standards mode, or
otherwise.
See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnie60/html/cssenhancements.asp
for details.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
 
R

Ronx

With a !doctype IE renders table cells, <divs> and other containers in
Standards mode, which is different to rendering in Quirks mode
without the !doctype.
<table cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0>
<tr>
<td width=100>...</td>

With a !doctype, the above cell will have a total width of 104px - the
cellpadding 2 x 2px, plus the cell content of 100px.
Without the !doctype, the cell will have a total width of 100px - The
cellpadding 2 x 2px, plus cell content of 96px.
With the !doctype, all (modern) browsers will render the table in the
same way, without it, rendering may be as for standards mode, or
otherwise.
See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnie60/html/cssenhancements.asp
for details.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
 
G

Guest

Thanks Ron, I'll whip out my abacus and add up my table and border widths and
see if that sorts it out. Will make another reply if the problem persists.
 
M

Murray

This is the wrong doctype to have on your interior pages -

<!doctype HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd">

That should only be on the Frameset page - the interior pages should just be
HTML4.01 Transitional/Strict.

Also, your framebuster script is not working properly -

<body
onload="if(parent.frames[0]&amp;&amp;parent.frames['contents'].Go)parent.frames['contents'].Go();">

<font face="Calligraph421 BT">

This is not a websafe font - most will see TIMES/TIMES NEW ROMAN there.

And you *REALLY* should get rid of this non-functional stuff -

<script type="text/javascript" src="JavaScript/NoCopy.js"></script>

When I look at your page, I already have all of your images.

Do you know that most people will *not* see your Java applets in the top
frame? This means that the rotating image effect will be lost for them -
they will see a gray box there. That's because most people do not have the
Java engine installed. It hasn't been a part of windows since W98, I
believe. I'd strongly encourage you to get rid of the Java.

Finally, you could solve your problem completely by not using frames - nor
is there anything in the design of this page that would suggest frames as an
optimal solution. But I guess you are committed to it now.

For what it's worth, I do not see the horizontal scrollbar in FireFox or any
other modern browser. It's only apparent in IE. But you can try to fix
this by changing this -

<frame frameborder="0" framespacing="0" name="home" target="_self"
scrolling="auto"

to this -

<frame frameborder="0" framespacing="0" name="home" target="_self"

in your frameset page.
 
G

Guest

Ron, that didn't sort the problem out... I've read the microsoft link from
your reply, but sadly, it's way over my head.

Is it going to make that much difference if I just remove the DOCTYPE
statement?

Thanks
John
 

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