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NO, IT DOESN'T! Suit yourself and think what you want but your
information is out of date. This problem was fixed with the release of
Service Pack 1 and 48-Bit LBA support, if your installation media
includes SP1 or better you will not have any problems with the 28-bit
137GB barrier. I have seen many, many installations on large hard
drives and many of these drives were packed to near capacity and none
have experienced any data loss problems.

John
 
There are tons of Windows XP OEM installation that were shipped out on
large drives and none of them are failing because of problems with
48-bit LBA addressing! I don't care what you say the facts and
experience of others simply do not support your claims. Computer
manufacturers have been shipping XP installations on 160GB and 250GB
hard drives for many years now and users have been installing retail
versions on large drives for as many years and your assertions simply do
not bear out. If what you say were true there would have been
*millions* of complaints about this and the problem would be front page
news and discussed all over the place. I have seen many, many Windows
XP installations on large hard drives filed to near capacity and none
have succumbed to the 137GB 28-bit LBA barrier, this problem was
addressed with SP1 and your information is out of date

John
 
So now you are expanding your claim to also include Vista as being non
48-Bit LBA compliant. Vista natively supports 48 bit LBA, if you can't
get this to work with Vista then you have problems with your test
computer or your controller drivers are out of date or not properly
loaded. Most Vista boxes today probably ship installed on 250GB drive
or larger and many users are cramming these drive to capacity with
multimedia files! You claim that Vista suffers this same 28-bit LBA
barrier has pretty well exposed your claim as being flawed, end of story.

John
 
Yeah, I think so!
There are tons of Windows XP OEM installation that were shipped out on
large drives and none of them are failing because of problems with
48-bit LBA addressing! I don't care what you say the facts and
experience of others simply do not support your claims. Computer
manufacturers have been shipping XP installations on 160GB and 250GB
hard drives for many years now and users have been installing retail
versions on large drives for as many years and your assertions simply do
not bear out. If what you say were true there would have been
*millions* of complaints about this and the problem would be front page
news and discussed all over the place. I have seen many, many Windows
XP installations on large hard drives filed to near capacity and none
have succumbed to the 137GB 28-bit LBA barrier, this problem was
addressed with SP1 and your information is out of date

John
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I get these new Vista boxes in my shop and the owner complains that they
copied large amounts of data to their hard disk then they mysteriously
cannot boot their computer... hmmm. I repair these computers because Windows
messed up their file system and soon as I fix them they can mysteriously
boot... These MUST be accidents...(sarcasm). You can nay-say all you want
but you mysteriously do not do any test... Why is that? Would a test destroy
your mis-believe world?

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Shipped on a large drive yes, but it may be years before any of them wander
into the situation where the problem lies. These types of issues have been
around for a long time with people such as yourselves denying anything wrong
until MS releases an update and a knowledgebase article then You guys are
nowhere around to admit you were wrong, coincidence?

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I'm sure your "tests" are equally as substantive and valid as Twayne's
(alleged) "tests" on registry cleaners ("speeding up the system"). I'll
leave it at that. LOL.
 
OK, tell me what to test.
I can setup my test PC for XP or Vista
Give me the steps to perform
(in ordered sequence).
and I'll run the test.

I have a spare 160GB drive, will that do?
 
There was a problem with the 137GB barrier and hibernation or creation
of memory dump files when SP1 was first released but that was addressed
in late 2002 or early 2003 with a hotfix.

Other than that you are the only one who reports this behaviour with
your tests. Where are the tests and reports from all the others? Why
are there no confirmation of this by experts in this field? Why are
none of the hard drive manufacturers reporting this? Why is this
information not available 48bitlba.com? Why are there no articles on
the Microsoft Knowledge Base or on Technet about this? Why is it that
this was never reported by any of the major computer manufacturers and
why is it that none of them even have a mention of this on their web
site? Why is it that this isn't reported by any of the printed or
online business or computer publications? Why is it that this isn't
reported by any of the Microsoft critics out there?

Do you seriously think that such a serious problem would have gone
unnoticed for more than 7 years and that by chance you have discovered
and are the only one to know of such a major flaw with Windows XP
installations on large disks? This Big LBA problem has been with us all
along with Windows 2000 and it was present when XP was first released
and everybody knew about it.

As for your assertion that Vista cannot properly handle 48-bit LBA that
is just plain untrue. Few Windows versions have been so scrutinized and
criticized as Vista, 48-bit LBA was old news and mainstream when Vista
first appeared in beta release, if such a major flaw existed on Vista it
would have been quickly exposed during beta testing and none of the
critics would have let this pass and go by unnoticed, Microsoft would
have gotten hammered over it!

Your claim that nobody knows about this because they buy computers with
Windows installed on large drives and it takes users a long time for
their drives to fill up before the problem shows up just doesn't hold up
to scrutiny. I know many people who have bought Vista machines on 250GB
hard drives and in a matter of a few months their drive was filled to
capacity with movies and music files and their disks did not fail. If
what you say was true *NONE* of the computer manufacturers would want to
suffer the complaints and wrath of the consumers over this problem, not
a single one of them would ship a computer with Windows installed on
anything bigger than a 120GB drive, all the manufacturers would explain
this to their customers and customers who need more storage capacity
would be sold computers with multiple hard disks. Such a major problem
would be reported all over the internet and it would even make headline
news on CNN! Your tests simply do not support the facts and the
experience of others out there.

John
 
I'd respectfully suggest: forget it, John. :-) (You'll likely have about
as much success as in trying to educate a couple of other posters in here on
much of anything.

As for me, I've gotta go get my oil changed now. Ooops, I meant my
registry cleaned out (since my computer is acting soooo slow these days).
LOL)
 
The world is not flat...

To test:

1 - Copy files or folders to large hard disk till it reaches past 137GB

2 - Reboot

Something that simple even you guys can follow it. I have given the solution
to this problem that many have used to fix the problem. But you guys still
tell the world the world is flat... I guess this problem must be in the
other people's minds who have this problem and have had it fixed. Please
tell this user he was imagining his hard disk crash
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/19004/?o=400#556461


BTW: Here are the articles that MS has posted and the ONLY error they have
fixed. Show me anywhere in these documents where it states that MS has fixed
this particular problem.

List of Fixes in Windows XP by Service Pack

SP1 - SP1a - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324720
SP2 - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811113
SP3 - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/

Corrupted Large Hard Disk Fix from Hibernation

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];331958


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So if I install Windows XP SP3 to a NTFS partition that is
approximately 160GB and the start copying enough files
to this partition then once I exceed 137GB worth of
files and then reboot the problem should happen.

Give it a try tomorrow as soon as I finish stress testing
my latest home built PC.

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Randem said:
The world is not flat...

To test:

1 - Copy files or folders to large hard disk till it reaches past 137GB

2 - Reboot

Something that simple even you guys can follow it. I have given the
solution to this problem that many have used to fix the problem. But you
guys still tell the world the world is flat... I guess this problem must
be in the other people's minds who have this problem and have had it
fixed. Please tell this user he was imagining his hard disk crash
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/19004/?o=400#556461


BTW: Here are the articles that MS has posted and the ONLY error they have
fixed. Show me anywhere in these documents where it states that MS has
fixed this particular problem.

List of Fixes in Windows XP by Service Pack

SP1 - SP1a - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324720
SP2 - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811113
SP3 - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/

Corrupted Large Hard Disk Fix from Hibernation

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];331958


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Bill in Co. said:
I'll wait up for this too. But, don't hold your breath. :-)
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RIGHT, I just gave some information to those who may be experiencing the
problem. The self interest parties alway attack such information for it was
either NIH or MS never said it. The people I have helped are grateful to my
assistance and solutions... Maybe they made up their problem so my solution
would help them... I see where you guys are going... Why not ask the same
people who stated thay it solved their problem.

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Finished the test, computer reboots without any problems!

For anyone interested I have included my step by step
testing.

Step by Step:
Installed 160GB WD IDE drive
Installed Windows XP Pro
(SP3 Included, single 149GB NTFS Partition)
Installed Motherboard drivers
Installed Network chip drivers
Turned off Automatic Updates
Downloaded Installed COMODO Firewall/AV
Ran AV scan
Download and installed TweakUi
Turned off "Auto Play" on DVD drive
Downloaded Installed NVIDIA video card drivers
Password protected user account
Changed screen resolution
Changed Windows Explorer to "Detail" and show hidden files.

Checked C: partition properties.
Decimal values
Used = 6.04GB
Free = 153.99GB
Capacity = 160.03GB

Started task of filling up the drive with files and folders
1) Used previous burned DVD media to copy file to new folder on hard drive.
2) Checked "Disk Defragmenter", no defrag required, analysis shows only a
very
small number of fragmented files, everything is packed tight.
3) Activated Windows XP.
4) Created a "Restore Point"
5) Disabled AV and Firewall
6) Ran Windows Update - Custom Option
(Installed latest version of WGA)
7) Installed all "Critical Updates" except for IE7.
8) Updates installed, reboot required.
9) Install .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 optional update.
10) Copied from DVD to new folders bunch of files.
11) Repeatedly copied contents existing folders to newly created folders
to begin filling up the hard drive. Rebooted the computer a couple of times
during this process (both cold and warm reboots)
12) Cool Boot with 135GB Decimal (125GB Binary) used drive space, no
problems.
13) Disk Defragmenter analysis showed no files or clusters in use beyond
135GB.
14) Copied a single file .ISO from DVD (2.6GB Decimal / 2.43 Binary) file
from DVD drive
to hard disk. this puts the used drive space past the 137 GB barrier
(137.621GB).
15) Warm or Cold boot without any problems.
16) One final test, added another 2.6GB file to hard drive. Warm and Cold
reboot without any problems.

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Randem said:
The world is not flat...

To test:

1 - Copy files or folders to large hard disk till it reaches past 137GB

2 - Reboot

Something that simple even you guys can follow it. I have given the
solution to this problem that many have used to fix the problem. But you
guys still tell the world the world is flat... I guess this problem must
be in the other people's minds who have this problem and have had it
fixed. Please tell this user he was imagining his hard disk crash
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/19004/?o=400#556461


BTW: Here are the articles that MS has posted and the ONLY error they have
fixed. Show me anywhere in these documents where it states that MS has
fixed this particular problem.

List of Fixes in Windows XP by Service Pack

SP1 - SP1a - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324720
SP2 - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811113
SP3 - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/

Corrupted Large Hard Disk Fix from Hibernation

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];331958


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Bill in Co. said:
I'll wait up for this too. But, don't hold your breath. :-)
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