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xmp
the FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, linux fdisk is free and probably
open-source. it's distributed quite a bit. and it's better than the MS
fdisk anyway.
michael
the FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, linux fdisk is free and probably
open-source. it's distributed quite a bit. and it's better than the MS
fdisk anyway.
michael
M
Mike Andrade
By a long shot.
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No. The control message which originally created the group is not a
charter, nor does it contain one.
B
BarryTone
Franklin said:
Like talking to a wall...
B
bambam
Or banging your head against one.
M
me
Chaos said:
Well, I'm not going to debate semantics. But a free trial is FREE, even
if for only 30 days. I've found some darn good software on those trials
for which there WAS NO FREEWARE alternative. PROVIDED, of course, that
the trial version was FULL CAPABILITY! I hate those crippled or
partially functional trials. THOSE I will NEVER tout.
Stranger
M
me
CHarneyCHRIS said:
AVG has 2 products--one is truly freeware, the other is a commercial,
for-pay product. Same with Zone Alarm--they have a free version and a
for-pay version.
Now, should we NOT mention either of those because they offer non-free
products?
Cheesh! You people need to get a life!
X
xmp
i think i was the one who mentioned AVG in this thread, and i was of
course talking about the free version (this should be obvious from
context). however, i (a) downloaded it from AVG, not a freeware site
and (b) had to get a key via email from AVG. so i dunno if it's truly
freeware, but it is free.
i always thought freeware could be freely distributed, and that's not
true of some free (as in beer) proprietary software.
michael
V
Vic Dura
I was being facetious. You are correct in that there is no charter for
ACF.
F
Franklin
Or banging your head against one.
Heh!
I thought it felt like someone was banging their hard head against
me!
B
BarryTone
Franklin said:
Nope, just sick of listening to your BS, genius.
O
omega
From the first moment Franklin newbie'd his way in here, and nowBarryTone said:
culminated in this thread with his declaration of his purpose:
he has sought to change alt.comp.freeware to alt.comp.software.
How do you debate with someone who refuses to accept the topic of
the newsgroup?
It's like dealing with someone who wants to change a vegetarian
discussion group topic to "My favorite recipes, w #1 meatloaf."
Or any other usenet troll type.
S
Susan Bugher
omega said:
You don't. Just send them a message:
_________________________
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| alt.comp.freeware |
| |
| WHAT PART OF FREEWARE |
| DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? |
|_______________________|
| |
| | O
o | | |
__\|/___=\| |/=_\|/____
which I just added here:
http://www.markcarter.me.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FlamePage
for your future convenience.
Susan
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omega
xmp said:
ACF has been here for a number of years as a discussion group for
freeware. Not for trialware. Not for shareware. You are just passing
through. It is your failure both in instinct and in experience here
to have failed in this essential distinction.
You probably came from discussion groups where finding "any kind of
solution to meet someone's needs" was the defined purpose. Be aware
that none of those places were alt.comp.freeware. Go back to them
if you want that purpose. Using ACF to promote payware is deliberate
trolling against its defined topic.
O
omega
Susan Bugher said:
The trend is getting worse. It has been growing all year, the people that
come in and jump questions with their payware promos. I'd been putting
those posts in a hall-of-shame folder, to have a ref on which posters
don't bother distinguishing freeware from payware.
But it's got so bad now, that when I see a recommendation for a software
which I'm not familiar with, and it does not come from a regular
trusted/credible poster, the best odds have become to instantly toss
out the post. In order to avoid corrupting my acf.savd folder with stealth
promos, and to avoid wasting a lot of time downloading unknowingly chasing
down non-freeware.
It didn't used to be so bad. I don't know if it would help, but I have
wondered about a small entry in the ACF information posting. Basically
something to this effect:
"ACF is for the discussion of freeware. Questions, information, and
opinions on freeware are most welcome here. If you would like to
upload binaries, you can use alt.binaries.freeware. If you feel the
need to recommend shareware, or other non-freeware, please post instead
to a general software group."
S
Susan Bugher
omega said:
One thing that has changed is that some web sites are showing ACF posts.
I just checked a few of those sites. The norm seems to be to show the
posts as if the site is hosting a forum. The forum responses get posted
here.
The sixfiles site shows alt.comp.freeware posts in a forum named
"Freeware Software". Some people may think Freeware Software means
Freeware *or* Software. FWIW - I've noticed the sixfiles posts are
labeled "* Posted via http://www.sixfiles.com/forum".
I don't know if it would help, but I have
IMO asking the clueless and unhelpful to help is a losing game.
Perhaps better if those who *want* to be helpful make a special effort
to label the apps in *their* posts as Freeware, Liteware etc. etc. That
would help educate newbies and make the posts *without* ware types stand
out as questionable.
Susan
J
John Fitzsimons
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:27:20 -0600, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
No, that would be trialware or demoware. It wouldn't be freeware.
No, that would be trialware or demoware. It wouldn't be freeware.
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It's a shame websites would do this without at least making it clear to
their users where these posts actually come from. We're all listed as
unregistered 'Guests' on their webpages (well, most of us).
Our users have posted a total of 39218 articles
What a thriving web-based community!
We have 24 registered users
Most users ever online was 6 on Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:05 pm
Or maybe not.
At least their 'Thematic Forums' give the name of the group the posts
have been ripped from. I wonder why they don't do that with a.c.f and
a.c.shareware.
O
omega
»Q« said:
Another misleading web interface (although this one not providing that
amusement of gurgling out nutzoid allegations about netnews posters
being its users)...it's talkaboutshareware.com. The one that dominates
Google results lists these days when doing searches where there are a
lot of ACF hits.
http://www.talkaboutshareware.com/index.php
| Shareware
| If you like free stuff you’ve found the place for free software.
| Shareware and Freeware are just two of the topics discussed here.
| Talk About Network gives you the forum to discuss, rate and post
| your ideas, thoughts and reviews of the latest or the oldies but
| goodies in the land of programs that are free or almost free.
Notice the "almost free." This IMO encourages the confusion with "free
downloads" and "free trials," as well as those other type of posts that
have been getting littered here, which say things like, "But it's only
$9."
| Forum name & Description
|
| authors
| Freeware Discussion
| Freeware Games
| Freeware General
| Jgaa
| Shareware
| Shareware Announce
| Shareware Authors
| Shareware Nettamer
| Shareware Programmer
| Shareware Users
These are usenet groups, whose names it has hidden. The way AOL used to
do, in that interface it used to have that left so many of its users totally
unconscious that they were even posting to usenet.
The link to "Freeware General" is for ACF. Their interface page for the
ACF posts has this as heading.
Home > Shareware > Freeware General
I don't see the alt.comp.freeware name anywhere. Not at the front door,
not on the ACF page, and not even on the individual posts. Instead they
have used their own construct. Cozied up there with shareware. Saying to
come in and "talk here about programs that are almost free."
I don't know if these places have much influence yet, but the way they
lay things out is a problem in itself. We've long battled the sneaky
"free download" con that is rampant on the web. It is very annoying to
see the web interests reaching over to usenet to cause more deceptive
blur, even robbing alt.comp.freeware of its own name.
P
POKO
I'm just a little confused with that statement. Is the above not what
John Corliss was preaching for so many years only to be criticized and
debased by acfers like yourself and the rest of the princess's motley
crew? Kindly get your story straight, posted for the world to see and
understand so we poor minions know where the hell you lot are coming
from. My instinct and experience tell me somebody here is full of crap
and I just gotta find out if its you and the princess or the rest of the
world. I've been an irregular here for years and mounting reels on tape
drives since you were wearing diapers so please don't consider this
trolling.
Best wishes,
POKO
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