Disk image software

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I used to use savepart http://www.partition-saving.com/
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Arconis True Image is occasionally given away on magazine
cover CDs.In fact the current edition of the UK magazine
Personal Computer World (June 2005 vol 28 no 6)
has Archonis True Image Personal V8
(also requires registration at www.arconis.com/mag/vnu-trueimage )
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Ya know, we really should put all of this clone and image info on a
page somewhere.

I've used Xxcopy and DrvImagerXP on 98\Me and XP so far successfully.

I'm downloading a new Ultimate Boot CD package now. I can get screen
caps and show the steps pretty good I think.

If anyone is interested in contributing the programs and steps in
cloning or imaging and restoring list out the OS, program, and the
steps in detail and I'll try to put it on a page..
 
REM said:
Ya know, we really should put all of this clone and image info on a
page somewhere.

I've used Xxcopy and DrvImagerXP on 98\Me and XP so far successfully.

I'm downloading a new Ultimate Boot CD package now. I can get screen
caps and show the steps pretty good I think.

If anyone is interested in contributing the programs and steps in
cloning or imaging and restoring list out the OS, program, and the
steps in detail and I'll try to put it on a page..
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Maybe a good joint project for the acf wiki?

I don't know about showing screen captures there though - show links?

Susan
 
REM said:
If anyone is interested in contributing the programs and steps in
cloning or imaging and restoring list out the OS, program, and the
steps in detail and I'll try to put it on a page..
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In March 2004 Roger Johansson posted here a step-by-step guide for
Partition Saving. The title of the thread is "Partition Saving Programs
Review".

BTW, Partition Saving went to version 3 last month.

Regards
 
REM said:
Ya know, we really should put all of this clone and image info on a
page somewhere.

I've used Xxcopy and DrvImagerXP on 98\Me and XP so far successfully.

I'm downloading a new Ultimate Boot CD package now. I can get screen
caps and show the steps pretty good I think.

If anyone is interested in contributing the programs and steps in
cloning or imaging and restoring list out the OS, program, and the
steps in detail and I'll try to put it on a page..
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Not a bad idea, it seems to be a fairly frequent question.

In regards to Savepart it might be worth mentioning
the -nvd and -nvf options (do not verify) which can give
a good speed improvement, as can using minimum
compression for creating images on machines with slow
CPUs.
(Using no compression is nearly 50% faster than compression
level 1, in creating an image on my 750Mhz PC)
 
The most frequently asked question every week or so.

Not a bad idea, it seems to be a fairly frequent question.

In regards to Savepart it might be worth mentioning
the -nvd and -nvf options (do not verify) which can give
a good speed improvement, as can using minimum
compression for creating images on machines with slow
CPUs.
(Using no compression is nearly 50% faster than compression
level 1, in creating an image on my 750Mhz PC)




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In March 2004 Roger Johansson posted here a step-by-step guide for
Partition Saving. The title of the thread is "Partition Saving
Programs Review".
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I sent a copy to the author and he liked my guide. I think it led to
him writing a new user's guide or faq, partly inspired by my text.

If anybody else wants to use my messages about this you are welcome.
You need to re-write it in any case, because the program has been
updated and may not work exactly like that today.

Another information text could explain the major steps, the most
important terms, the difference between a partition and a drive, used
and un-used sectors, such knowledge which is useful whichever program
is used.
BTW, Partition Saving went to version 3 last month.
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"A new version of Partition Saving (V3.00) was released on April, 17th.
Major improvements are:
writing saving files on NTFS partition. Nevertheless program is not
able to create files on NTFS partition, so you have to perform this
into two steps: first create files from Windows then boot to DOS to be
able to use them. As for FAT partitions, saving a NTFS partition on
itself is also available."

Saving on NTFS is a great update, even if it has to be done in two
steps.

This program is often included on rescue CD's and there is surely
another program on such a CD which can be used to create a file on an
NTFS partition.

http://www.partition-saving.com/

Click on HOWTO, and read a step-by-step description of how to use the
program.
 
I sent a copy to the author and he liked my guide. I think it led to
him writing a new user's guide or faq, partly inspired by my text.
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Thanks Roger. I found your post yesterday and was thinking of how to
incorporate it into another tutorial type page. It might not be a
better tutorial, but sometimes seeing the same basic info written
differently helps. There seems to be pretty fair interest in freeware
cloners and boot partition imagers. From my experience with Xxcopy and
DrvImagerXP I see no need at all in buying a program to image or
clone. As another thread points out, some people think that paying
large bucks ensures the best of the best... not necessarily here.

Using DrvImagerXP and the Ultimate Boot CD 4 Win there is a great deal
of good instructions, possibly to the point of info overload. I was
thinking of trying to make a condensed version, referring the user to
the original documentation for more depth.
Another information text could explain the major steps, the most
important terms, the difference between a partition and a drive, used
and un-used sectors, such knowledge which is useful whichever program
is used.
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Yes, I've seen many pages that describe the basics, one more might
help somewhat in just being written differently.
"A new version of Partition Saving (V3.00) was released on April, 17th.
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Major improvements are:
writing saving files on NTFS partition. Nevertheless program is not
able to create files on NTFS partition, so you have to perform this
into two steps: first create files from Windows then boot to DOS to be
able to use them. As for FAT partitions, saving a NTFS partition on
itself is also available."
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Sounds great! I haven't tried this one due to NTFS.

While drive space is relatively cheap, this method seems better as the
images do not contain the empty space.
Saving on NTFS is a great update, even if it has to be done in two
steps.
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This program is often included on rescue CD's and there is surely
another program on such a CD which can be used to create a file on an
NTFS partition.

Click on HOWTO, and read a step-by-step description of how to use the
program.
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Will do. It will take me awhile to grab enough time to fully document
and screenshot the steps for DrvImagerXP & UBCD4Win and get it on a
page. Then maybe I can move on to PS and some other programs. It's
been a long time since I have used Xxcopy and I know it has changed,
but I think the documentation on the home page is pretty
straightforward.

I'm "thinking" that the creation of the boot CD is the grayest area.
After that it's really a piece of cake.

There are areas I don't really know, such as to whether creating an
image for an older partition is a good idea or not. I tend to think
that doing this after a fresh install is best, but it might not be
true. I also have no clue as to whether a boot CD can be created from
one of the more prominent "scams" in which an image for a particular
computer is included, rather than a Windows install CD.

Anyway, all tips, suggestions, proof reading, programs, etc. are very
welcomed.
 
REM said:
Can do. Let me see if I can put together something of use and we'll
see what the wiki can do with it.
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This sounds very useful. Please do post when you've this up on the wikie.

and Thanks!

-Sparky
 
REM said:
There are areas I don't really know, such as to whether creating an
image for an older partition is a good idea or not. I tend to think
that doing this after a fresh install is best, but it might not be
true. I also have no clue as to whether a boot CD can be created from
one of the more prominent "scams" in which an image for a particular
computer is included, rather than a Windows install CD.
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Ah yes. . .

I bought a new machine (racing against the death throes of the old one) and it seems that OEM Win XP licenses cannot be transferred - if the computer dies so does the license for the OS.

I don't know if "scam" is the "mot juste" but nobody *advertised* the various limitations. . . and they are proving to be significant. . .

Susan
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Ah yes. . .

I bought a new machine (racing against the death throes of the old one) and it seems that OEM Win XP licenses cannot be transferred - if the computer dies so does the license for the OS.

I don't know if "scam" is the "mot juste" but nobody *advertised* the various limitations. . . and they are proving to be significant. . .

Susan
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This has been advertised as part of XP right from the beginning.
Change your PC, or more than three? significant items, and you have to
reregister. You should be able to ring MS and get the new registration
number from them.
 
I bought a new machine (racing against the death throes of the old one) and it seems that OEM Win XP licenses cannot be transferred - if the computer dies so does the license for the OS.
This has been advertised as part of XP right from the beginning.
Change your PC, or more than three? significant items, and you have to
reregister. You should be able to ring MS and get the new registration
number from them.
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I think you're confusing the license with product activation, David.
What Susan said is true, according to the OEM XP EULA.

Peter
 
I think you're confusing the license with product activation, David.
What Susan said is true, according to the OEM XP EULA.

Peter
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The license is for use on one computer at a time. Provided that the
old installation has been deleted then she would be within the terms
of the license. To install to her new computer she requires an
activation code for her new installation. She already has the license.
 
Ah yes. . .
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I bought a new machine (racing against the death throes of the old one) and it seems that OEM Win XP licenses cannot be transferred - if the computer dies so does the license for the OS.
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I don't know if "scam" is the "mot juste" but nobody *advertised* the various limitations. . . and they are proving to be significant. . .
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Software has been a "scam" for years. Many manufacturers did not
include any software of some brands. Then they moved to imaging a
machine in the retail state, which is useless imo. These usually are
corrupted with all sorts of programs and ads, trial versions, etc.

Consumers should demand a MS installation CD with any computer, even
those with image files. Change out a few components and the image is a
real pain. I'm sure the price reflects this "throwaway" licence... but
that's just not right.

On the image front, I'm running circles trying to slipstream with a
SP2 CD. The MS file normally used is 266 megs. I'm on day two and have
64% of it :( It is unclear if the SP2 CD can be used in the
slipstreaming process right now, but I'm ready to delete everything
and start back over from scratch. This would greatly simplify the boot
CD creation for those of us on dialup.

I need to do a bunch of trials before I can put together anything
coherent. I'm creating coasters faster than I can buy glasses. The
forum is great luckily!

WUBCD4Win: http://www.ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?act=idx
 
Do you have the phone numbers? I couldn't find them on the MS site. . . MS tells you to get the phone number by using your (deactivated?) computer. . .

Reminds me of their Win 98 instructions for fixing a dead mouse: "click here" ;)
The license is for use on one computer at a time. Provided that the
old installation has been deleted then she would be within the terms
of the license. To install to her new computer she requires an
activation code for her new installation. She already has the license.
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That's not true. See this page or read the last few sentences of the paragraph quoted below:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302878#5j

<q>

Activation and Product Licensing Policies

Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer and on a desktop computer?

Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if this is allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who are the primary users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word, to install one additional copy on their portable computers for their exclusive use. This does not apply to product licenses that are acquired with the purchase of a computer. These OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be transferred to another computer. Windows XP can only be installed on a single computer. A new license is required if you install and activate the product on a different computer.

</q>

Thanks for proving my point about the additional limitations of OEM licenses not being advertised. ;)

Susan
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Susan Bugher said:
That's not true. See this page or read the last few sentences of the paragraph quoted below:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302878#5j

<q>

Activation and Product Licensing Policies

Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer and on a desktop computer?

Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if this is allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers
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who are the primary users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word, to install one additional copy on their portable computers
for their exclusive use. This does not apply to product licenses that are acquired with the purchase of a computer. These OEM
licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be transferred to another computer. Windows XP can only be installed on a single
computer. A new license is required if you install and activate the product on a different computer.
</q>

Thanks for proving my point about the additional limitations of OEM licenses not being advertised. ;)

Susan
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Apparently MS's OEM licence is in conflict with EU law and UK consumer law though.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/08/selling_oem_windows_copies_you/

But would anyone fancy taking MS to court :)

Mel.
 
Software has been a "scam" for years. Many manufacturers did not
include any software of some brands. Then they moved to imaging a
machine in the retail state, which is useless imo. These usually are
corrupted with all sorts of programs and ads, trial versions, etc.

Consumers should demand a MS installation CD with any computer, even
those with image files. Change out a few components and the image is a
real pain. I'm sure the price reflects this "throwaway" licence... but
that's just not right.
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AFAIK a preinstalled OS does suit *many* people (take it home, turn it on and away you go). . . It's just that you and I are not among them.

The good news - the price was right. I have a computer that works. The rest of the news is not so good. . .

I've thrown out about a dozen apps/trial versions so far - many tenacled monsters - dunno how much crap they've left behind. . .

I wanted to dual boot XP and Win98. MS says install older MS OS first and AFAIK I can't do that. I was allowed to create one XP image (blank CDs were included). An XP restore from the CDs wipes the drive and repartitions it with the original two partitions (XP and an XP restore partition). Catch 22. . .

Lots of ways around these annoyances - so far they all seem to involve spending more money. . .

Susan
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