digital photos no longer in focus

[Guest]

Ok I need some help. I have used Adobe Photoshop album to make simple slideshows. I don't do anything to the photos except drag them to the desired position. However when I do the same with moviemaker2 which provides so much more extras, the slideshow is clearly not in focus. It looks just slightly out of focus. The photos are taken with a 6.0 meg Fuji camera and again I don't do anything like resize them or change them for Adobe so I fugured it should be the same for moviemaker2. Help cause the program look so cool. Please be nice because some of you look like you are sorta mean. I guess I will take my chances..Thanks so much for any nice input, and my sons baseball team will thankyou also
karen

 

[Bob [MVP]]

Hi Karen,

When you save your movie in Movie Maker, you're probably
saving at a resolution of something like 640x40, right?
Well, that's approximately only 5% of the resolution of
your original 6 Mega-pixel pictures. It's no wonder they
appear to be out of focus.

Besides the loss of resolution, Movie Maker doesn't
seem to do the best job in resizing. I think you'll
get somewhat better results if you resize (resolution)
your pictures to match the resolution of your movie
before you import them into Movie Maker.

If you only plan to view the slide show on your PC,
you can create a custom profile that will allow you
to save your movie in a higher resolution. I personally
have never tried that, but you can find instructions
on the Saving Movies page at www.papajohn.org.

--
-Bob
____________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
www.microsoft.com/ehome

Ok I need some help. I have used Adobe Photoshop album to make simple slideshows. I don't do anything to the photos except drag

them to the desired position. However when I do the same with moviemaker2 which provides so much more extras, the slideshow is
clearly not in focus. It looks just slightly out of focus. The photos are taken with a 6.0 meg Fuji camera and again I don't do
anything like resize them or change them for Adobe so I fugured it should be the same for moviemaker2. Help cause the program look
so cool. Please be nice because some of you look like you are sorta mean. I guess I will take my chances..Thanks so much for any
nice input, and my sons baseball team will thankyou also.

 

[Bob [MVP]]

Arrgh... Why do I always find my typo's after I
hit the send button? The second line should have
read 640x480 (not 640x40).

--
-Bob
____________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
www.microsoft.com/ehome

 

[Guest]

Hi Bob,
Thank you thank you for replying......I haven't even saved anything yet. I am just working on dragging in the photos from files. They look great in the preview pane but pretty bad at full screen. So what should I do? I have downloaded the "Put me in Coach" song...too cute...so tell me again what you want me to do.
Karen

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

Hi Karen,

A 6 megapixel camera is taking pictures that measure about 2800x2200 pixels.
Adobe and image editing software uses all the pixels.

But high quality DVDs and computer videos are typically 640x480 pixels...
only about 1/3 of a megapixel. So one thing is understanding the different
quality levels between the picture environment and video.

And the preview mode of Movie Maker is using 320x240.... about 1/12 of a
megapixel.... but it's just a preview, not the final size of the saved
movie.

If your goal is a slide-show, consider using PhotoStory instead of Movie
Maker 2, or use them together.... how to do it depends on what you want to
do in your project. A couple pages on my websites to check are the
PhotoStory with MM2 page of my PhotoStory site, and the Saving Movies >
Custom WMV Profiles page of my MM2 site.

The right approach to take depends on who your audience is and how you will
deliver the videos to them.... playback on a computer can be of considerably
higher quality than playing a disc on a TV in a DVD player.
--
PapaJohn

Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org

..

Hi Bob,
Thank you thank you for replying......I haven't even saved anything yet. I

am just working on dragging in the photos from files. They look great in the
preview pane but pretty bad at full screen. So what should I do? I have
downloaded the "Put me in Coach" song...too cute...so tell me again what you
want me to do.

 

[Guest]

My goal is a slide show with music and transitions between photos. It will be played on a tv at a pizza parlor and at home on their computer or tv. So you think that Photo story would be the way to go.? In comparing Adobe photo album slide show to movie maker which would play betteron a tv without editing or resizing the photos...just dragging them into the program?
Karen

 

[John Kelly]

Hello there,

This exact issue is explained on my website in the FAQ section. There is
advice given here that is so wrong that I eventually decided to show the
consequences of taking that advice by the use of a few simple pictures. The
consequence of taking that advice is exactly what you describe. Fortunately
you are using software that will allow you to fix the problem very easily.
As you will learn in the FAQ, the width and height of an image measured in
pixels is not as relevant as its aspect ration...but check out the FAQ, you
will see what I mean.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[Harry]

Karen

Just a quick fyi for you -- my wife is doing things
similar to what you are doing and has found ImageResizer
to be invaluable to her -- it's part of Microsoft's
PowerToy collection:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys
..asp

This capability bolts right into the XP operating system,
such that it will appear as an option when you right-
click on an image document -- it makes a copy you specify
and tags "(sml}", "(med)", etc to the original file name
to create the new name.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
My goal is a slide show with music and transitions

between photos. It will be played on a tv at a pizza
parlor and at home on their computer or tv. So you think
that Photo story would be the way to go.? In comparing
Adobe photo album slide show to movie maker which would
play betteron a tv without editing or resizing the
photos...just dragging them into the program?

 

[Bob [MVP]]

Great suggestion, Harry. I use the Image Resizer
PowerToy all the time myself. It's a real time-
saver.

--
-Bob
____________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
www.microsoft.com/ehome

 

[John Kelly]

Hello Harry,

As far as I can see this utility does not crop images and at the same
time preserve the image itself. In fact it does not seem to crop images at
all.

The image gets squashed if you select an image size that corresponds to
the requirements of DV-AVI (720 x 576 or 720 x 480) Do you know of a way to
make it preserve the image (by not squashing it) so that when you bring an
image of any size larger than the requirements of DV-AVI down to the size
required by DV-AVI. If its always going to squash the image its not going to
be much use in the process of preparing a video for eventual conversion to a
DVD

The test I applied was with a black and white image. the image has one
diagonal black line in it and was 1600 x 1208. I used the utility to bring
this down to 720 x 576. The proof that no crop had occurred resides in the
fact that the line still went from exact corner to exact corner. (If it had
been cropped that would have shown up as some displacement in the black line
along one of the edges of the new picture) For a demonstration of the test
and squashing of an image check out the FAQ on my website for Movie Maker
and take a look at "Pixels & Quality" followed by Image Ratio.

I do agree that it is a great utility where the new image has the same
ratio as the original...very handy indeed.

Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

 

[Bob [MVP]]

You are correct in that it does not crop the picture.
If your picture has a different aspect ratio than
your movie, you'll need to use some other software
to do the cropping, as you correctly pointed out.
Otherwise you'll end up with black bars two of the
sides of your movie.

My digital camera takes pictures with a 4:3 aspect
ratio, which is what my TV also happens to be. So
I am able to use the PowerToy to resize my pictures.

--
-Bob
____________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
www.microsoft.com/ehome

 

[Rehan]

The image gets squashed if you select an image size that corresponds to
the requirements of DV-AVI (720 x 576 or 720 x 480) Do you know of a way
to
make it preserve the image (by not squashing it) so that when you bring an
image of any size larger than the requirements of DV-AVI down to the size
required by DV-AVI. If its always going to squash the image its not going
to
be much use in the process of preparing a video for eventual conversion to
a
DVD

Hi John,

I may be missing something obvious here but why wont you just resize to the
final size of 720x540 which preserves the aspect ratio while fitting inside
your "required" size of 720x576....

However, you seem to be confusing two different things here and on your
website... the screen pixel sizes and size on TV. These are competely
different things. The DVD size of 720x576 is not made up of "square" pixels
as is the case of computer screens.

Do a simple experiment: Using windows movie maker encode a 4:3 image with DV
AVI (Pal) codec.
Now play it using Windows Media Player. Go to Files->Properties. Guess what
size would you find there for your supposedly 720x576 movie?

1. 720x576
2. 768x576

You may be surprised to find that the size is 768x576 which is 4:3 ratio as
your source image.

So what is the moral of this story ?

Rehan

 

[John Kelly]

Hello,

I may be missing something obvious here but why wont you just resize to
the
final size of 720x540 which preserves the aspect ratio while fitting
inside
your "required" size of 720x576....

720 x 540 is not an acceptable size for Video...Wide screen or otherwise...

However, you seem to be confusing two different things here and on your
website... the screen pixel sizes and size on TV. These are competely
different things. The DVD size of 720x576 is not made up of "square"
pixels
as is the case of computer screens.

In no way am I confusing computer screens with TV screens. I do not mention
computer screen ratios anywhere. There is no such thing as a DVD size of
720 x 576. There is an output from Movie Maker of 720 x 576 which can be
used in the creation of a DVD. But it is not a standard as you will
discover when moving up to professional video editing software. For
example, if you own a wide screen TV and a good range of DVD's (Films) you
will often notice that some are more "wide screen" than others. Non-Square
pixels is an option in some video editing software packages at 720 x 576
and so is square pixels at 720 x 576. All of that is beside the point and
not relevant to Movie Maker users.

Do a simple experiment: Using windows movie maker encode a 4:3 image with
DV
AVI (Pal) codec.
Now play it using Windows Media Player. Go to Files->Properties. Guess
what
size would you find there for your supposedly 720x576 movie?

1. 720x576
2. 768x576

So, you want Movie Maker users to believe that if they are creating a
DV-AVI output of lets say 720 x 576 and that if you play the output in
Media Player and check its properties you will be given a value other than
the one you required from movie maker??? Something is rotten in the state
of Denmark I think. Using the basic function in Windows Explorer you can
add the column DIMENSION. This is what I use...it shows the correct size of
720 x 576. That's what I requested from Movie Maker. However using Media
Player it does show 768 x 576 and its WRONG. I have even used my other
software and checked it out in media player. Media Player displays the
wrong info. Check out Windows Explorer and add the Dimensions Column.

You may be surprised to find that the size is 768x576 which is 4:3 ratio
as
your source image.

Movie Maker can export only one standard for PAL and one for NTSC These are
720 x 576 and 720 x 480 I have professional video editing software from the
people who do a lot of post production work for films Using that software
you can obtain any non standard ratio you like

So what is the moral of this story ?

I don't know, you have jiggled around some numbers so as to achieve what
you seem to think is a cohesive argument. You have used Media PLayer's
incorrect output to support the argument.

The simple fact is that using Movie Maker you can create just two ratio's
in the DV-AVI format, they are 720 x 576 and 720 x 480. To place any image
into that ratio and not have it squashed one way or another is to crop it
so that its size is equivalent to the function X(720 x 576) or X(720 x 480)
where X is some positive Integer greater than zero. You will notice that at
no time do I mention the ratio of a computer screen.

You may want to check the utility from the power toy collection and you
will see that IT can only work to computer screen resolutions or by using
the advanced feature you can make it work to a ratio of your choice. It is
unfortunate though that the original must also be of the same ratio
otherwise it gets distorted to a degree dependent on how inconsistent the
start and end ratios are to one another.
--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[Rehan]

720 x 540 is not an acceptable size for Video...Wide screen or
otherwise...

It is acceptable as input for Movie Maker. I thought we were talking about
the resizing photos for input into Movie Maker.... and not directly to DVD..
MM will rescale the input images into required size of output format as part
of encding. The idea of this discussion was to use an appropriate size for
input so that this internal resize operation preserves as much quality as
possible. This statement of your shows the confusion I am talking about.

So, you want Movie Maker users to believe that if they are creating a
DV-AVI output of lets say 720 x 576 and that if you play the output in
Media Player and check its properties you will be given a value other than
the one you required from movie maker??? Something is rotten in the state
of Denmark I think. Using the basic function in Windows Explorer you can
add the column DIMENSION. This is what I use...it shows the correct size
of
720 x 576. That's what I requested from Movie Maker. However using Media
Player it does show 768 x 576 and its WRONG.

I dont believe Windows Media Player is lying here. You can verify this by
capturing the screen by a software that would capture DirectX outputs and
analyzing the captured screen to see what size of screen you have captured.

Nothing is rotton in the state of Denmark, its a beautiful place... All that
is rotton is your attitude.

I have even used my other
software and checked it out in media player. Media Player displays the
wrong info. Check out Windows Explorer and add the Dimensions Column.

You didnt get the point. The output from Movie Maker in the format of DV AVI
would export non-square screen pixels, which should be scaled by any media
player to 768x576 size for output on screen. This scaling is automatically
applied to movies by the DVD player.

Another example is SVCD which has to be size of 480x576 on PAL TV. So would
you advise your readers to crop their pictures to this size if they want
final output to SVCD ? This would be extremely unpractical since either they
would get a very narrow part of their images (if they crop away the sides)
or will get a lot of black borders on top and bottom (if they tried to
preserve the full width).

The way these formats (DVD and SVCD/VCD) work is that each pixel must be
stored squashed and the info for unsquashing is stored as part of the movie
so that it comes out all right on the TV when played by the DVD player.
Therefore a SVCD can still store a movie of aspect ratio of 4:3 or even
16:9, all cramped into 480x576 (ratio 5:6). When played throguh a DVD player
this would still come out to be full screen and in correct final aspect
ratio of 4:3 or 16:9 depending on the scaling info stored in the movie. The
cropping would be applied automatically by the DVD player... (If your DVD
player can resize the output to 1/2, you would be able to see the otherwise
cropped sides).

The whole point here is that although the advice of scaling/cropping images
to final output format is good, it does not apply to all situations and
therefore is not universally "correct". it would be correct only if the
pixels were to be stored in the movie storage format as square pixels. And
this distinction is extremely important for any reader of your webpages to
get the full view of the issue. Particularly Movie Maker users.

My conclusion would be to advice WMM users to resize their 4:3 input images
to always preserve aspect ratio and choose:
A) a size of 768x576 if they want output on full screen view on TV with no
balck borders on top and bottom
B) a size of 720x540 and then editted to introduce black borders of 18
pixels on top and bottom to make the size 720x576 before importing in WMM.

Your advice to use cropped images of 720x576 would result in thinner output
screen size with sides copped away (if they want to see it in correct aspect
ratio) or wrongly scaled in horizontal direction to fit the TV screen.

I don't know, you have jiggled around some numbers so as to achieve what
you seem to think is a cohesive argument. You have used Media PLayer's
incorrect output to support the argument.

Please do not base your own arguments on wrong data... do a little
experiment as suggested above.

In the end I would say that I do not like to get involved in these flaming
wars but I have been annoyed by your posts about this issue bullshitting
other people's advice while your own advice is not perfect. This sort of
attitude is not appropriate for technical discussion.


Rehan

 

[Rehan]

720 x 540 is not an acceptable size for Video...Wide screen or
otherwise...

It is acceptable as input for Movie Maker! I thought we were talking about
the resizing photos for input into Movie Maker.... and not directly to DVD..
MM will rescale the input images into required size of output format as part
of encding. The idea of this discussion was to use an appropriate size for
input so that this internal resize operation preserves as much quality as
possible. This statement of your shows the confusion I am talking about.

So, you want Movie Maker users to believe that if they are creating a
DV-AVI output of lets say 720 x 576 and that if you play the output in
Media Player and check its properties you will be given a value other than
the one you required from movie maker??? Something is rotten in the state
of Denmark I think. Using the basic function in Windows Explorer you can
add the column DIMENSION. This is what I use...it shows the correct size
of
720 x 576. That's what I requested from Movie Maker. However using Media
Player it does show 768 x 576 and its WRONG.

I dont believe Windows Media Player is lying here. You can verify this by
capturing the screen by a software that would capture DirectX outputs and
analyzing the captured screen to see what size of screen you have captured.

Nothing is rotton in the state of Denmark, its a beautiful place... All that
is rotton is your attitude.

I have even used my other
software and checked it out in media player. Media Player displays the
wrong info. Check out Windows Explorer and add the Dimensions Column.

You didnt get the point. The output from Movie Maker in the format of DV AVI
would export non-square screen pixels, which should be scaled by any media
player to 768x576 size for output on screen. This scaling is automatically
applied to movies by the DVD player.

Another example is SVCD which has to be size of 480x576 on PAL TV. So would
you advise your readers to crop their pictures to this size if they want
final output to SVCD ? This would be extremely unpractical since either they
would get a very narrow part of their images (if they crop away the sides)
or will get a lot of black borders on top and bottom (if they tried to
preserve the full width).

The way these formats (DVD and SVCD/VCD) work is that each pixel must be
stored squashed and the info for unsquashing is stored as part of the movie
so that it comes out all right on the TV when played by the DVD player.
Therefore a SVCD can still store a movie of aspect ratio of 4:3 or even
16:9, all cramped into 480x576 (ratio 5:6). When played throguh a DVD player
this would still come out to be full screen and in correct final aspect
ratio of 4:3 or 16:9 depending on the scaling info stored in the movie. The
cropping would be applied automatically by the DVD player... (If your DVD
player can resize the output to 1/2, you would be able to see the otherwise
cropped sides).

The whole point here is that although the advice of scaling/cropping images
to final output format is good, it does not apply to all situations and
therefore is not universally "correct". it would be correct only if the
pixels were to be stored in the movie storage format as square pixels. And
this distinction is extremely important for any reader of your webpages to
get the full view of the issue. Particularly Movie Maker users.

My conclusion would be to advice WMM users to resize their 4:3 input images
to always preserve aspect ratio and choose:
A) a size of 768x576 if they want output on full screen view on TV with no
balck borders on top and bottom
B) a size of 720x540 and then editted to introduce black borders of 18
pixels on top and bottom to make the size 720x576 before importing in WMM.
(Note: You need to take some additional steps to stop WMM scale your images
wrongly in this case.)

Your advice to use cropped images of 720x576 would result in thinner output
screen size with sides copped away (if they want to see it in correct aspect
ratio) or wrongly scaled in horizontal direction to fit the TV screen.

I don't know, you have jiggled around some numbers so as to achieve what
you seem to think is a cohesive argument. You have used Media PLayer's
incorrect output to support the argument.

Please do not base your own arguments on wrong data... do a little
experiment as suggested above.

In the end I would say that I do not like to get involved in these flaming
wars but I have been annoyed by your posts about this issue bullshitting
other people's advice while your own advice has flaws in it. This sort of
attitude is not appropriate for technical discussion.


Rehan

 

[Rehan]

[Sorry if it appears multiple times. I am posting it a third time now after
waiting a day after each post none of which seem to have made it to
the newsgroup for some reason]

720 x 540 is not an acceptable size for Video...Wide screen or
otherwise...

It is acceptable as input for Movie Maker! I thought we were talking about
the resizing photos for input into Movie Maker.... and not directly to DVD..
MM will rescale the input images into required size of output format as part
of encding. The idea of this discussion was to use an appropriate size for
input so that this internal resize operation preserves as much quality as
possible. This statement of your shows the confusion I am talking about.

So, you want Movie Maker users to believe that if they are creating a
DV-AVI output of lets say 720 x 576 and that if you play the output in
Media Player and check its properties you will be given a value other than
the one you required from movie maker??? Something is rotten in the state
of Denmark I think. Using the basic function in Windows Explorer you can
add the column DIMENSION. This is what I use...it shows the correct size
of
720 x 576. That's what I requested from Movie Maker. However using Media
Player it does show 768 x 576 and its WRONG.

I dont believe Windows Media Player is lying here. You can verify this by
capturing the screen by a software that would capture DirectX outputs and
analyzing the captured screen to see what size of screen you have captured.

Nothing is rotton in the state of Denmark, its really beautiful and
pleasant... I wish I could say the same about your attitude

I have even used my other
software and checked it out in media player. Media Player displays the
wrong info. Check out Windows Explorer and add the Dimensions Column.

You didnt get the point. The output from Movie Maker in the format of DV AVI
would export non-square screen pixels, which should be scaled by any media
player to 768x576 size for output on screen. This scaling is automatically
applied to movies by the DVD player.

Another example is SVCD which has to be size of 480x576 on PAL TV. So would
you advise your readers to crop their pictures to this size if they want
final output to SVCD ? This would be extremely unpractical since either they
would get a very narrow part of their images (if they crop away the sides)
or will get a lot of black borders on top and bottom (if they tried to
preserve the full width).

The way these formats (DVD and SVCD/VCD) work is that each pixel must be
stored squashed and the info for unsquashing is stored as part of the movie
so that it comes out all right on the TV when played by the DVD player.
Therefore a SVCD can still store a movie of aspect ratio of 4:3 or even
16:9, all cramped into 480x576 (ratio 5:6). When played throguh a DVD player
this would still come out to be full screen and in correct final aspect
ratio of 4:3 or 16:9 depending on the scaling info stored in the movie. if
the scaled image goes off the TV screen, the cropping would be applied
automatically by the DVD player... (However, if your DVD
player can resize the output to 1/2, you would be able to see the full
image).

The whole point here is that although the advice of scaling/cropping images
to final output size is good, it does not apply to all situations and
therefore is not universally "correct". it would be correct only if the
pixels were to be stored in the movie storage format as square pixels. The
DV-AVI output fromat of Movie Maker does not consist of square pixels. A
horizontal scale factor of 0.9375 is always applied by WMM to the input
pixels when encoding for DV-AVI format. This happens what ever input size
you use for your images....

And this information is extremely important for any reader of your webpages
to have full understanding of the issue. Particularly Movie Maker users.

Therefore in conclusion my advice for WMM users would be to resize their 4:3
input images to always a size which preserves aspect ratio. Use a size of
integral multiple of 768x576 if they want output on full screen view on TV.

Your advice to use cropped images of 720x576 is based on incorrect
assumption that WMM will not apply any horizontal scaling on the input
pixels during rendering to DV-AVI format.

Furthermore, you seem to have not even tested your advice yourself
as otherwise you would have noticed that it results in output screen of
thinner dimensions not fully covering the full width of available screen
area. The cropped input image results in cropped output image with black
borders on sides... i belive this wasnt your intention?

I don't know, you have jiggled around some numbers so as to achieve what
you seem to think is a cohesive argument. You have used Media PLayer's
incorrect output to support the argument.

Please do not base your own arguments on wrong data and untested
assumptions... do a little experiment as suggested above.

In the end I would say that I do not like to get involved in these flaming
wars but I have been annoyed by your pampous style of posts about this
issue,
bullshitting other people's advice while your own advice has flaws in it.

This sort of attitude is not appropriate for technical discussions. A little
humility
goes a long way...

Rehan

 

[John Kelly]

Hello again,

I'm sorry, I don't care how you want to play with your numbers you still
miss the point in its entirety. As you appear to be confused about what I
have said, can you please go and read it again.

With respects to the resize function please see the discussion in the FAQ
on my website....Each time you post you seem to be going around in a
circle...

I don't care what you believe about whether media player is lying or
not....your argument makes no mention of the header information at the
beginning of any video file which instructs program like media player on
how to display....square v non square pixels....If you are unable to
believe that when you tell Movie Maker to do something, and afterwards
believe Windows Explorer confirming what you asked for was actually done I
suggest we end this here....You seem to want to believe what suits your
argument and using only one set of numbers without understanding how it was
obtained.

Please go and read some official documentation....I think that will solve
your belief on whether one Microsoft program is telling you the truth or
not and whether two other Microsoft programs are telling you the truth or
not.

Please do not bring in other formats...My statements refer to DV-AVI and
nothing else.

Oh dear, just read where you finally make mention of non square
pixels......You are so far wrong that its almost unbelievable...try this.

Take a party balloon. Cut it up so that you have the largest amount of the
material to play with. Onto that material use a felt tip pen and mark on it
the distorted image that I say you will get. Do this using an imaginary
square pixel format. Now stretch that material so that you get your non
square pixels....WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE NOW ???

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[John Kelly]

Please do not base your own arguments on wrong data and untested
assumptions... do a little experiment as suggested above.

In the end I would say that I do not like to get involved in these flaming
wars but I have been annoyed by your pampous style of posts about this
issue,
bullshitting other people's advice while your own advice has flaws in it.

This sort of attitude is not appropriate for technical discussions. A
little
humility
goes a long way...

You don't like getting involved in flaming wars and the next thing you do
is start a flaming war...Hmmmmmmmmmm

Try using a spell checker by the way.

Please do not use bad language in here, no one else is, why do you feel the
need to?

Your assumptions on what I did or did not do are just that, assumptions
that are in any case WRONG

You manipulate numbers, you tell everyone you do not believe your computer
when it tells you that a certain file size exists, you tell people what I
did or did not do (Which was quite wrong by the way) you tell me to do
tests which clearly demonstrates that you have not read a single word I
said and properly retained it in your own mind whilst replying. You have
clearly not visited my website and looked at the FAQ which for people like
you includes pictures so that you can see for yourself. You then enter into
remarks about attitude, but use foul language yourself.....What kind of an
idiot are you...yes that's right IDIOT

You talk about my intentions regarding black borders...I think we would all
like to see where I have mentioned black borders, that's another wrong
assumption! They are in none of my words in this or any other recent
thread, and they are not mentioned in the FAQ on my website either....So,
please do tell us where I mention black or any other colour border.

You also say my advice has flaws whereas you want other people to believe
YOU when you say that you do not believe what a microsoft program (2 of)
tell you when you look for the screen size, tell others that they should
instead believe you because you "think", use bad language, utter false
statements regarding what I have done, make assumptions, provide no proof
of your own other than to try and convince people that you MUST be right,
make poorly spelt references to the need for the use of INTEGERS yet fail
yourself to explain why it should be an integer when mapping to what is
actually a non-Euclidean 2 dimensional surface (Do you know why it is non
Euclidean?)

You tell me not to base my remarks on untested assumptions again
demonstrating that you have not looked at my web site properly.

AND I challenge you to prove that Movie Maker 2 has some inbuilt facility
other than the 4:3 and 16:9 options by which it can know how to scale any
image of any origin so that it will correctly display, or is this one of
those things that we have to believe from some one who prefers NOT to
believe what two microsoft programs are telling him.

AND AGAIN, if you have not yet tried the little experiment that I DID, go
try the balloon trick, then come back here and tell us all why you do not
want to believe that either. While you are at it, go make a video to prove
your point, I DID

Therefore in conclusion my advice for WMM users would be to resize their
4:3
input images to always a size which preserves aspect ratio. Use a size of
integral multiple of 768x576 if they want output on full screen view on
TV.

What a laugh!!! Tell us all please do. Why must it be an integral....is it
a first or second order integral???? or should we just stick with what I
said and we will call it an INTEGER. Perhaps you would like to describe to
us all why it must be an integer when we know it is going into a procedure
within Movie Maker that you say knows how to scale it so that it fits in an
array. Please explain to us in technical terms exactly why it needs to be
an integer...I will give you a start........If we are to believe you, we
are not talking about a two way mapping
here.........................proceed from there. Please do not use phrases
like I don't believe or I do believe, make no references to any software,
simply explain in mathematical terms what's going on. This will ultimately
describe the way movie maker works according to you that is.

As far as I am concerned this conversation has been dragged into the gutter
by your language. Goodbye

--
John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
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obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[John Kelly]

Oh My !!! I have just realised what you are thinking...you really do believe
that there are physical objects within a video file that are pixels and that
some of these are not square and some are!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Ever
heard of a data stream ?

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

 

[Rehan]

OK, lets forget everything. Do a simple experiment.

Input: a pure white image of size 720x576
Output: DV-AVI 720x576 (Pal)
Desired result: Pure white covering entire screen, no black borders.

Q1. Please explain why I get black borders on the sides ?
Q2. What size of input image should I use to get white color covering entire
output area?

Rehan