Dial up sharing over network

[Guest]

Hi,
Last year I set up a network for a couple friends that wanted win98 to be
the host computer and XP Home the client. They also wanted to share the dial
up. It was my first time networking and in a couple days I had it working the
way they wanted.

Now, the Win98 machine has been upgraded to XP home too. I had to change
the IP of the router because it was set at 192.168.0.1, whenever I tried
enabling ICS I was told the host computer needed to be set to this. So, I
changed the router to 192.168.0.20, the host is 192.168.0.1 and the client is
192.168.0.3.

Both computers can successfully ping the router and each other as well as
access files on one another. For some unknown, frustrating reason I cannot
get the client to successfully access the internet through the host.

I have gone here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/ics.mspx .
And verified I did everything right. Everything on this page is exactly what
I did. I know I should be able to log on to the internet now, but I can't.
Since I am still quite new to networking I thought I would ask some of you
kind folks to please lend me some guidance. I would greatly appreciate it.

Garry

 

[Ross Durie]

If you are connecting via a router (by definition routes between subnets,
e.g., WAN and LAN) then why would you want to use dialup or ICS. If the
router is not used for Internet connections then why are you using one
rather than a simple switch or hub to connect the machines together.

 

[Steve Nielsen]

Hi,
Last year I set up a network for a couple friends that wanted win98 to be
the host computer and XP Home the client. They also wanted to share the dial
up. It was my first time networking and in a couple days I had it working the
way they wanted.

Now, the Win98 machine has been upgraded to XP home too. I had to change
the IP of the router because it was set at 192.168.0.1, whenever I tried
enabling ICS I was told the host computer needed to be set to this. So, I
changed the router to 192.168.0.20, the host is 192.168.0.1 and the client is
192.168.0.3.

Both computers can successfully ping the router and each other as well as
access files on one another. For some unknown, frustrating reason I cannot
get the client to successfully access the internet through the host.

I have gone here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/learnmore/ics.mspx .
And verified I did everything right. Everything on this page is exactly what
I did. I know I should be able to log on to the internet now, but I can't.
Since I am still quite new to networking I thought I would ask some of you
kind folks to please lend me some guidance. I would greatly appreciate it.

Garry

As Ross pointed out, you don't need a router using ICS and it's actually
getting in the way. The ICS Host PC *is* the router as far as ICS is
concerned. Although it is possible to configure the ICS Host with a
different IP address than 192.168.0.1 you have to also then assign
static IPs to any ICS Client machines and set the Gateway address for
them to match the IP of the ICS Host and set the correct Netmask value
(255.255.0.0) rather than use automatic configurations on them. Even
though this is possible to do (there is a good MS KB article on doing
this - search the KB for "ICS"), in my experience with ICS Windows
doesn't like it that way and has internittent problems that can be
difficult to correct.

Like Ross, I suggest you put the router away and use a switch or hub to
connect the LAN.

Steve

 

[Steve Nielsen]

As Ross pointed out, you don't need a router using ICS and it's actually
getting in the way. The ICS Host PC *is* the router as far as ICS is
concerned. Although it is possible to configure the ICS Host with a
different IP address than 192.168.0.1 you have to also then assign
static IPs to any ICS Client machines and set the Gateway address for
them to match the IP of the ICS Host and set the correct Netmask value
(255.255.0.0) rather than use automatic configurations on them. Even
though this is possible to do (there is a good MS KB article on doing
this - search the KB for "ICS"), in my experience with ICS Windows
doesn't like it that way and has internittent problems that can be
difficult to correct.

Like Ross, I suggest you put the router away and use a switch or hub to
connect the LAN.

Steve

Correction - netmask should be 255.255.255.0

Steve

 

[NobodyMan]

Hi,
Last year I set up a network for a couple friends that wanted win98 to be
the host computer and XP Home the client. They also wanted to share the dial
up. It was my first time networking and in a couple days I had it working the
way they wanted.

Now, the Win98 machine has been upgraded to XP home too. I had to change
the IP of the router because it was set at 192.168.0.1, whenever I tried
enabling ICS I was told the host computer needed to be set to this. So, I
changed the router to 192.168.0.20, the host is 192.168.0.1 and the client is
192.168.0.3.

RED FLAG. RED FLAG.

If they are using dial up, then the router is a problem. Home routers
are usually designed to share a broadband (cable/DSL) connection.
They are not designed, and cannot be used, to share a dial up
connection. To do that, you have to hook up your host MODEM directly
to your phone line. Cable and DSL are not "dial up" so if they are
using a router, boy are you confusing your terms.

Both computers can successfully ping the router and each other as well as
access files on one another. For some unknown, frustrating reason I cannot
get the client to successfully access the internet through the host.

If this is a broadband router, and they are truly using dial up, then
this is what I would expect. The router is acting as a simple switch,
letting the computers talk to each other. However, broadband routers
can't be hooked up to a regular phone line for dial up networking.
That is not how they are designed.

 

[Guest]

Try using speed guide optimizer for windows its free, run it on both
computers it alters the MTU settings automatically, they should be set to 576
for dialup, it worked for me!

 

[Ross Durie]

This isn't the solution for this vegie brain as he mentions "router" anyway
so isn't using dialup. Given he has a router that was set to 192.168.0.1 it
could have never worked with ICS and he shouldn't really even be using ICS,
rather each machine should connect to the router.

Ross
--

 

[Guest]

Don't be so hard on people, we all learn by mistakes and I was only trying to
help !

 

[Nick Goetz]

This isn't the solution for this vegie brain as he mentions
"router" anyway so isn't using dialup. Given he has a router
that was set to 192.168.0.1 it could have never worked with ICS
and he shouldn't really even be using ICS, rather each machine
should connect to the router.

Ross
--

"Router" doesn't necessarly preclude "dialup".

Some routers come with a com port and allow the connection of an
external, analog modem.

Nick Goetz