$2250.00 for a router?????

V

VanguardLH

casey.o said:
What, are they nuts?????
http://www.serversupply.com/NETWORKING/ROUTER/3 PORT/CISCO/CISCO2921-V/K9.htm

I know some routers that have lots of bells and whistles can cost a
couple hundred dollars, but $2250.00......
That's insane, unless the case is fileld with solid gold....

I just stumbled across this from an Ebay link.
I was shocked to see the price...

Enterprise-grade gear not only has more features and better stability
with longer longevity but incurs a cost premium over the consumer-grade
routers you are used to using at home. Quality embues greater cost.
These type of commercial enterprise equipment is expected to run for
years under heavy use, not die after 3-6 years like the low-end
consumer-grade throwaways.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/2921-integrated-services-router-isr/index.html

Then look at prices using Google Shopping:

https://www.google.com/search?q=CISCO 2921#q=CISCO+2921&tbm=shop

Now go research on all the technologies employed by this unit.

Why does a Weatherby (http://tinyurl.com/kg5ujkk) than a Mossberg
(http://tinyurl.com/lx2knww)? Why does German cutlery command a price
premium over stamped Ginsu knives? Why does acid etched (real) crystal
command a price premium over the molded (fake) crystal? Why are books
more expensive than paperbacks?
 
J

Jeff Barnett

What, are they nuts?????
http://www.serversupply.com/NETWORKING/ROUTER/3 PORT/CISCO/CISCO2921-V/K9.htm

I know some routers that have lots of bells and whistles can cost a
couple hundred dollars, but $2250.00......
That's insane, unless the case is fileld with solid gold....

I just stumbled across this from an Ebay link.
I was shocked to see the price...
Many such boxes cost ten of thousands of dollars or more; e.g., fiber
routers and switches. Many have dozens or hundreds of ports. I know that
the box you looked at was a little dinky thing; except it is rack
mounted and that means tons of hardware you will never see in home
equipment. Industrial strength equipment costs lots of money and the
market for used stuff is still relatively expensive.

Jeff Barnett
 
M

Mayayana

| Why are books
| more expensive than paperbacks?

You mean hardcover books? That's easy. It's
because you won't be able to read it for 6 months
if you wait for the paperback version. By the time you
got around to reading 50 Shades of Gray, the
social discussion topic du jour would have moved
on to the annual Malcolm Gladwell Month. Then by
the time you'd read Malcolm Gladwell's latest pseudo-
thinking, some other urgently new issue would be at
the fore -- perhaps a treatise on global warming by
Steven Spielberg, or a tome on the meaning of popular
culture co-writeen by Madonna and the Kardashians.
You'd be all set to intelligently discuss the details of
autism only when psychology fashion had moved on to
expressions of ADD in bipolar disorder. You'd learn how
to find the Self in dynamic MRIs only to discover that
everyone around you had moved on to finding God in
quantum neurons, or some such.

You'd save money in your book buying, but at the
expense of appearing to be "not the brightest bulb in
the bunch" at your favorite middle- or high-brow
watering hole. But the actual content of the hardcover
vs paperback is usually identical.

Not to question high-end router prices. Just a
reminder that price often has little to do with quality,
and even quality is often subjective. I was recently out
for dinner with my neice in the gaudy, tourist trap,
mega-mall area of Boston -- Faneuil Hall Marketplace --
and stopped in at a Godiva chocolate store thinking
that I might pick up dessert. I don't think of Godiva as
especially high quality. Yet their chocolates were about
$3.50 *each*! Why? Because their customers are mostly
tourists from Ohio who are sparing no expense for a great
vacation in the big city. They *want* to pay ridiculous
prices. It proves they're having a good time. They'd
probably pay $15 for a lollipop with Paul Revere's face
on it.
 
J

Jon Danniken

What, are they nuts?????
http://www.serversupply.com/NETWORKING/ROUTER/3 PORT/CISCO/CISCO2921-V/K9.htm

I know some routers that have lots of bells and whistles can cost a
couple hundred dollars, but $2250.00......
That's insane, unless the case is fileld with solid gold....

I just stumbled across this from an Ebay link.
I was shocked to see the price...

If you are looking for a router with more features, and you are looking
for a little adventure, it can be fun to buy a router and then change
out the firmware with something like DD-WRT. Bonus points if you get
the router used and cheap from craigslist.

Make sure you give yourself time to play with it before you actually
plan on using it, so the learning curve isn't complicated by urgency.

Jon
 
V

VanguardLH

Mayayana said:
You mean hardcover books? That's easy. It's because you won't be able
to read it for 6 months if you wait for the paperback version.

If that were the basis then you would be paying a price premium for
obtaining content that was released earlier than in book form. Perhaps
you were deliberately being facetious. Books cost more because they are
more durable. They cost more because the paper is more than barely
beyond the quality of toilet paper. They cost more because they are
more expensive to manufacture.
By the time you got around to reading 50 Shades of Gray, the social
discussion topic du jour would have moved on to the annual Malcolm
Gladwell Month.

I'm not into social sites or book clubs or other venues to salve some
feeling of loniless or deparate need for ego stroking. I don't buy or
obtain reading material to show off to others. I don't need my ego
stroked by others. Tis a sorry ass that has to show off to some clique
of pseudo friends what they just read.
You'd save money in your book buying,

How? Books are MORE expensive than paperbacks, not less.
but at the expense of appearing to be "not the brightest bulb in the
bunch" at your favorite middle- or high-brow watering hole. But the
actual content of the hardcover vs paperback is usually identical.

Content is not the issue regarding cost of books versus paperbacks.
Not to question high-end router prices. Just a reminder that price
often has little to do with quality, and even quality is often
subjective.

You evidence your lack of experience in having never worked in a
computer room or alpha lab or been a sysadmin at companies exceeding 500
employees to know the difference between commercial-grade enterprise
computing gear versus the low-end consumer-grade stuff you buy for home
use.
I was recently out for dinner with my neice in the gaudy, tourist
trap, mega-mall area of Boston -- Faneuil Hall Marketplace -- and
stopped in at a Godiva chocolate store thinking that I might pick up
dessert.

Since when did this discussion degrade to costs bearing on the ignorance
of consumers? Why did beanie babies and cabbage patch dolls cost so
much? We're talking about the cost to manufacture a product, its real
quality versus perceived, along with the included support costs.
 
C

casey.o

vacation in the big city. They *want* to pay ridiculous
prices. It proves they're having a good time. They'd
probably pay $15 for a lollipop with Paul Revere's face
on it.

But the question then arises.....
Would this make Paul Revere happy?
I suppose it would depend on who licks his face, and whether they only
lick, or take a hard bite out of his face...(OUCH). :) :) :)
 
C

casey.o

You evidence your lack of experience in having never worked in a
computer room or alpha lab or been a sysadmin at companies exceeding 500
employees to know the difference between commercial-grade enterprise
computing gear versus the low-end consumer-grade stuff you buy for home
use.


Since when did this discussion degrade to costs bearing on the ignorance
of consumers? Why did beanie babies and cabbage patch dolls cost so
much? We're talking about the cost to manufacture a product, its real
quality versus perceived, along with the included support costs.

While I can understand there is consumer grade and commercial grade
equipment. I still question how something could be THAT much better.
A home type router has to work, or they wont sell their product.

Having worked with electronics, I have a decent understanding about
circuits.

Chips, transistors, diodes, resistors and so on, are all manufactured
pretty much the same. In other words, a 555 chip or 470K resistor used
in ANY equipment is made by the same companies. One exception are
capacitors, and they are one of the biggest problems these days with a
lot of electronics. So I'd tend to believe the commercial routers and
other electronics would use the higher quality caps.

I can see where this costly router is also a rack mount, but all that
means is that it has a couple "fins". consisting of a couple ounces of
extra metal. And it's likely the case is a little more durable.....

While this is likely the way it is, I personally question whether any of
this is really worth the MUCH higher price.....

If the standard home type router costs $100 to $200 NEW, then charging
yp to $500 for the commercial grade would make sense, if it uses better
capacitors and any other "higher quality" components including a more
durable case with rack mounting. Once you get beyond that price, it's
merely just an illusion, but their marketting people know there are a
lot of fools who are willing to pay these excessively high prices.....
As someone else said, This router is small. I believe it has 3 ports.
Which is about the same as any home type router (actually most seem to
have 4 ports these days... or more). But like anything, people pay for
a name brand. It's just like a pair of generic blue jeans costs $20,
but some big name ones cost $120. Or Coca Cola sells for $5 but generic
cola is $2. Or why does a Cadillac cost three or more times the price
of a Chevrolet, when in fact they both have the same engine, are built
upon the same frame, and so on..... While the Cadillac has a few moe
bells and whistles, and leather versus cloth seats, the price dont
justify the "extras". Thus, it's merely the NAME one is paying for.

I know as a farmer that John Deere tractors are the most expensive.
Even a used one at an auction will bring a higher price than another
brand. But are they really built better? From my own observations, I'd
say they are no better than many other brands, and in some cases, they
are built less durable. I had a J.D. hay baler, and it was constantly
breaking. The price of parts was excessively high too. I got tired of
sticking money in that J.D. baler, which in my opinion was poorly built,
and I bought another brand baler, which has served me well, with few
problems. But John Deere advertisers have done a good job of making the
public "believe" they sell superior products, which is just an
illusion.....
 
H

Hot-Text

| What, are they nuts?????

No

The platforms support the industries widest range of wired
and wireless connectivity options such as
T1/E1, T3/E3, xDSL, copper and fiber GE.

<
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/produc...rvices-routers-isr/data_sheet_c78_553896.html >

| I know some routers that have lots of bells and whistles can cost a
| couple hundred dollars, but $2250.00......
| That's insane, unless the case is fileld with solid gold....
| I just stumbled across this from an Ebay link.
| I was shocked to see the price...

Buy the product @ www.cisco.com
Best Price always
Come with a Warrant

I have a Cisco
 
G

Good Guy

| What, are they nuts?????

No

The platforms support the industries widest range of wired
and wireless connectivity options such as
T1/E1, T3/E3, xDSL, copper and fiber GE.

<
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/produc...rvices-routers-isr/data_sheet_c78_553896.html >

| I know some routers that have lots of bells and whistles can cost a
| couple hundred dollars, but $2250.00......
| That's insane, unless the case is fileld with solid gold....
| I just stumbled across this from an Ebay link.
| I was shocked to see the price...

Buy the product @ www.cisco.com
Best Price always
Come with a Warrant

I have a Cisco


So you have got this monster in your house?

<http://tinyurl.com/ow5w44t>

Properties must be very cheap in your area. We can't afford to have
such things in our houses in London. Land values is beyond average
person's income level.
 
V

VanguardLH

And there are cars out there that will be forever outside your financial
ability to own. Do you complain about their costs, too? When (if) your
got married, did you buy the most expensive diamond ring you could find
at a dozen jewelers? There is plenty of consumer-grade routers that are
within your budget that you have to support on both deployment and
maintenance and your network config is very simplistic. You don't need
a team of support techs that can walk into your corporate environment
and understand it all. Be happy that there are routers within your
budget that are capable of what you want to use them for.
 
M

micky

Not to question high-end router prices. Just a
reminder that price often has little to do with quality,
and even quality is often subjective. I was recently out
for dinner with my neice in the gaudy, tourist trap,
mega-mall area of Boston -- Faneuil Hall Marketplace --
and stopped in at a Godiva chocolate store thinking
that I might pick up dessert. I don't think of Godiva as
especially high quality. Yet their chocolates were about
$3.50 *each*! Why? Because their customers are mostly
tourists from Ohio who are sparing no expense for a great
vacation in the big city.

A lot of people work hard 50 weeks a year, and they don't scrimp during
their two week vacation. (None of that is me, and even when I worked
hard 50 weeks a year, the rest wasn't me, but it is a lot of people.)
They *want* to pay ridiculous
prices.

I don't think so. I think they've learned that famous tourist places
are expensive, and they can either bring their own food, or they can buy
food there, and if they're going to do the latter, they should learn not
to agonize over the prices.

Fortunately for me, I enjoy unknown places almost as much as famous
places, but I'm stil thinking of going to old Williamsburg, Va. . I
read every bronze plaque on the highway (except in Virginia where there
are too many.)
It proves they're having a good time.

I don't think they think that.
They'd
probably pay $15 for a lollipop with Paul Revere's face
on it.

Prices are high also because rents are very high, required leases may be
long, and yet one's business can fail almost as easily as anywhere else.
 
M

micky

Chips, transistors, diodes, resistors and so on, are all manufactured
pretty much the same. In other words, a 555 chip or 470K resistor used
in ANY equipment is made by the same companies. One exception are
capacitors, and they are one of the biggest problems these days with a
lot of electronics.

I thought the bad cap era ended a few years ago, although of course
plenty of stuff made during that time is still out there.
So I'd tend to believe the commercial routers and
other electronics would use the higher quality caps.

I presume expensive equipment never bought from the people who sold the
bad caps, or if they did, they increased their warranty period or
instituted a liberal replacement policy.
I can see where this costly router is also a rack mount, but all that
means is that it has a couple "fins". consisting of a couple ounces of
extra metal. And it's likely the case is a little more durable.....

While this is likely the way it is, I personally question whether any of
this is really worth the MUCH higher price.....

If the standard home type router costs $100 to $200 NEW, then charging
yp to $500 for the commercial grade would make sense, if it uses better
capacitors and any other "higher quality" components including a more
durable case with rack mounting. Once you get beyond that price, it's
merely just an illusion, but their marketting people know there are a
lot of fools who are willing to pay these excessively high prices.....
As someone else said, This router is small. I believe it has 3 ports.
Which is about the same as any home type router (actually most seem to
have 4 ports these days... or more). But like anything, people pay for
a name brand. It's just like a pair of generic blue jeans costs $20,
but some big name ones cost $120. Or Coca Cola sells for $5 but generic
cola is $2. Or why does a Cadillac cost three or more times the price
of a Chevrolet, when in fact they both have the same engine, are built
upon the same frame, and so on.....

It's the interior and accessories that are better in a Cadillac, and the
are the parts I can't upgrade.
While the Cadillac has a few moe
bells and whistles, and leather versus cloth seats,

OTOH, because I drive a convertible, for decades I avoided cloth seats,
getting vinyl or leather instead. I thought the sunlight would rot the
cloth (like it has the sun-side of my living room furniture) and when I
didn't put the top up in the rain, it would soak the foam rubber with
disastrous results.

However I finally got stuck with cloth seats in a '95 Lebaron, that I
kept until 2011, and the seats never rotted (never ripped like vinyl did
when I put my knee on one seat when it was only 20 degrees. Never came
unstitched at the seams like one leather seat did. After I had
abdominal surgery, and I could finally drive, the car seat was the most
comfortable place I had to sit, better than the bed, 3-way adjustable
desk chair, or kitchen chair.

And nothing rotted. The foam rubber must have soaked up the rain all
right, but it dried out in a couple days, got stiffer than when it was
new, but sitting on it made it normal again.

I'm a big fan of cloth seats now, but if you buy the best model of most
cars -- and the convertible is often only the best model** -- you get
stuck with leather, which I gather isn't reallly good leather anyhow.
It's a thin layer of leather covered in some kind of plastic. (Not sure
if that applies to Cadillac or not -- the problem with Cadillac is that
their convertible only holds two people. Even the El Dorado was smaller
in the back seat than other full-size convertibles of the day. )

**Plus I like the best model for other reasons. When I buy a car 7
years old, it costs almost nothing more to get the best model. Except
for the Air Conditioning. I still don't know how the autmoatic heat
and AC works, and I'm constantly fiddling with the temp, when I think
it's supposed to be automatic. I was a lot happier with the
non-automatic.
the price dont
justify the "extras". Thus, it's merely the NAME one is paying for.

I know as a farmer that John Deere tractors are the most expensive.
Even a used one at an auction will bring a higher price than another
brand. But are they really built better? From my own observations, I'd
say they are no better than many other brands, and in some cases, they
are built less durable. I had a J.D. hay baler, and it was constantly
breaking. The price of parts was excessively high too. I got tired of
sticking money in that J.D. baler, which in my opinion was poorly built,
and I bought another brand baler, which has served me well, with few
problems. But John Deere advertisers have done a good job of making the
public "believe" they sell superior products, which is just an
illusion.....

There's a lot of that too.
 
B

Bob F

micky said:
OTOH, because I drive a convertible, for decades I avoided cloth
seats, getting vinyl or leather instead. I thought the sunlight
would rot the cloth (like it has the sun-side of my living room
furniture) and when I didn't put the top up in the rain, it would
soak the foam rubber with disastrous results.

However I finally got stuck with cloth seats in a '95 Lebaron, that I
kept until 2011, and the seats never rotted (never ripped like vinyl
did when I put my knee on one seat when it was only 20 degrees. Never
came unstitched at the seams like one leather seat did. After I had
abdominal surgery, and I could finally drive, the car seat was the
most comfortable place I had to sit, better than the bed, 3-way
adjustable desk chair, or kitchen chair.

And nothing rotted. The foam rubber must have soaked up the rain
all right, but it dried out in a couple days, got stiffer than when
it was new, but sitting on it made it normal again.

I'm a big fan of cloth seats now, but if you buy the best model of
most cars -- and the convertible is often only the best model** --
you get stuck with leather, which I gather isn't reallly good leather
anyhow.

I have never liked vinyl or leather seats. They are always too hot or too cold,
and they don't breath so you end up sticking to them after awhile if hot. No
need for a seat warmer if you have cloth seats.
 
M

Mayayana

| While I can understand there is consumer grade and commercial grade
| equipment. I still question how something could be THAT much better.
| A home type router has to work, or they wont sell their product.
|
There can also be other factors with commercial:

* More support.

* Less units sold, thus making R&D more expensive.

* Since the item helps a company make profits, the
cost might be seen as an investment rather than just
an expense. That allows the maker to jack up the price.

* And perhaps the biggest factor: People who are not
spending their own money often act differently. Adobe
has made a fortune charging a ridiculous price for Photoshop.
Most of the people who get it don't have to pay for it.
Their boss pays for it. Artists who would never pay
$600 themselves end up demanding "the best" for their
work. That happens in everything: software, sporting
equipment, power tools, and as you pointed out, farm
equipment. Sometimes the more expensive item is worth
the cost, but it's not always clearcut.
 
H

Hot-Text

| On 24/04/2014 19:43, Hot-Text wrote:
| > | > | What, are they nuts?????
| > No
| > The platforms support the industries widest range of wired
| > and wireless connectivity options such as
| > T1/E1, T3/E3, xDSL, copper and fiber GE.
| > <
| >
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/produc...rvices-routers-isr/data_sheet_c78_553896.html >
| > | I know some routers that have lots of bells and whistles can cost a
| > | couple hundred dollars, but $2250.00......
| > | That's insane, unless the case is fileld with solid gold....
| > | I just stumbled across this from an Ebay link.
| > | I was shocked to see the price...
| > Buy the product @ www.cisco.com
| > Best Price always
| > Come with a Warrant
| > I have a Cisco
|
|
| So you have got this monster in your house?
| <http://tinyurl.com/ow5w44t>
| Properties must be very cheap in your area. We can't afford to have
| such things in our houses in London. Land values is beyond average
| person's income level.

I Am on SSI
That below average pay
For a No income
Level person

My Lot side
In Houston
225ft x 125ft

The House Start
on the back of Lots
30ftL 25ftW 25ftH
Start Lots
$218's
 
C

casey.o

That comes with the table and a large selection of carbide bits.

Oh, wrong group.

You could probably use THAT KIND of router to round off the edges of
your motherboard..... :)
 

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