defender v sec essentails


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colin

i tried to download defender but it failed because i already have microsoft
security essentials,you cant have both ,so which is the best one to go with
,thanks
 
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Ǝиçεl

Oranges and Apples

Windows Defender detects and removes known spyware only. It is not designed
to protect against the full breadth of malicious software, and specifically
does not prevent viruses, worms, Trojans, and other malicious software from
infecting your machine.

Microsoft Security Essentials real-time protection, including anti-virus,
anti-rootkits, anti-Trojans and anti-spyware.
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Happy Thanksgiving Day
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colin

Thanks for the reply A\p, i want to use sec essentails as my
protection,becaues its the only one that i find that does not slow the
computor down ,what do you think,thanks again,
sido
 
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StephenB

MSE includes the protection offered by defender. Think of it as a superset of
Defender.
-steve
 
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Adam

Hi guys this post helped me a little as a I recently downloaded MS Security
Essentials and it got rid of AVG. It is working well and I also noticed an
improvement in performance. I run Windows Vista on a Toshiba Laptop. THE
PROBLEM I HAVE IS: Now whenever I turn on my computer Defender notifies me
that it is turned off. Is there a way to prevent this from popping up?
 
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Adam

Hi guys this post helped me a little as a I recently downloaded MS Security
Essentials and it got rid of AVG. It is working well and I also noticed an
improvement in performance. I run Windows Vista on a Toshiba Laptop. THE
PROBLEM I HAVE IS: Now whenever I turn on my computer Defender notifies me
that it is turned off. Is there a way to prevent this from popping up?
 
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Ǝиçεl

Hello Adam,

Microsoft Security Essentials should *disable* Windows Defender on Vista and
Windows 7 and *uninstall* it from XP. In some cases, this does not happen
automatically.

If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *disable* Windows
Defender on Vista or Windows 7, *you* should *disable* it to prevent
conflicts. Windows Defender cannot be *uninstalled* from Vista or Windows 7.
If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *uninstall* Windows
Defender on XP, you should manually *uninstall* Windows Defender via Control
Panel/Add or Remove Programs.

If Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender are both running, your
system may experience performance degradation and other problems caused by
the conflict of two services providing real time protection simultaneously.
-=-
 
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Bill Sanderson

Do Start, run, services.msc and hit enter.

Look for a Windows Defender service, and set the startup to disabled.
 
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cmriverside

My problem is this: I installed MSE 10 days ago. When I booted up today I
noticed that Defender was off (due to a red warning alert). So I turned it on
in the Security Center. Now, MSE won't let me run its spyware protection/real
time protection and it alerts me it is off, and cannot be turned back on. The
suggested fix here in the MSE and Defender forums is to go to the
Help>Tools>Options>Administrative in Defender. However, I can't get to the
Administative level, it doesn't exist. I am the only user and the
Administator on this laptop, I need a plan to disable Defender.
I'm hoping I don't have to reinstall MSE.
 
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cmriverside

cmriverside said:
My problem is this: I installed MSE 10 days ago. When I booted up today I
noticed that Defender was off (due to a red warning alert). So I turned it on
in the Security Center. Now, MSE won't let me run its spyware protection/real
time protection and it alerts me it is off, and cannot be turned back on. The
suggested fix here in the MSE and Defender forums is to go to the
Help>Tools>Options>Administrative in Defender. However, I can't get to the
Administative level, it doesn't exist. I am the only user and the
Administator on this laptop, I need a plan to disable Defender.
I'm hoping I don't have to reinstall MSE.

I'm returning to edit: I did find the Admin level by scrolling down on the
page...PC101. Turned off Defender. Still couldn't get MSE or the Security
Center to allow me to turn on MSE Real-Time Protection even though neither
were now on for spyware/malware. So I just uninstalled MSE and reinstalled
it. Too many hours to fix though, three and a half hours.

Why not just auto-disable and divorce Defender from the access menu on the
Security Center? Or prompt user to choose ONE of them and give them the pros
and cons. As usual, Microsoft makes it as tough as possible.

Dislike.
 
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Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live

When MSE is installed it is supposed to automatically disable Defender
(or remove it completely from XP).
When that doesn't happen, something went wrong and you are faced with
needing to do so manually, which can be confusing. Why it didn't
automatically get disabled is unknown.
-steve
 
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Brian

Am I right to assume therefore from your reply to Adam below that it is no
longer necessary to install 'Defender' if I have already installed MSE on
Windows 7 HP?

Brian
 
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Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live

That is correct. MSE disabled Defender on Vista and Win7 and
uninstalls it from XP. MSE includes the protection of Defender and
adds to it as a full antimalware application.
-steve
 
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Cheng Heng

Stephen said:
That is correct. MSE disabled Defender on Vista and Win7 and
uninstalls it from XP. MSE includes the protection of Defender and
adds to it as a full antimalware application.

That's complete and utter rubbish I have read today. I am running
Windows XP, Windows Defender and MSE on my system. MSE did not
uninstall it on Win XP. Where did you get this crap from? Don't
you try on your system before posting?

Windows Defender includes Software explorer that is not included
in MSE so people should have both if they want to explore what is
running on their system unless they go for third party tool which
IMHO not a wise thing to do.
 
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Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live

On *your* system it didn't uninstall. It is supposed to uninstall.
Since it didn't, you should manually remove Defender from the system
if you are running Microsoft Security Essentials.

You are correct, MSE does not include Software Explorer,
unfortunately, as was the case with OneCare before it. To manage
startup items you will need a 3rd party tool or simply use MSCONFIG to
disable startup items as desired.
Optionally, you can leave Defender installed on your XP machine, but
be sure to disable it. Not disabling it is a bad idea as the two
programs *will* conflict, causing performance problems and even system
instability.
As for my original response, it is far from "rubbish" and "crap."
I have been supporting MSE in the MSE forums, working closely with the
MSE team and support organization since it was first released to beta
last year. I know of what I speak. And, yes, I have installed it and
am running it on many systems. There have been cases reported where
MSE failed to remove/disable Defender - that's a bug that hasn't yet
been fully resolved. It is basically an installation failure due to
something unusual about the affected systems such as yours.
-steve
 

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