D: Drive Disappeared

[CBFalconer]

Timothy Daniels wrote:
.... various snipped ...

I have no time for people who just get into circular arguments for
the sake of it. That is what you are doing and have been doing in
here for a long time.

So...

<Plonk>

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[Timothy Daniels]

Read the following while taking your meds:

WHERE the fan is, has everything to do with whether a
specific subsystem is deemed active or passive.



No, by everyone's definition.
Hard drives are not cooled actively, but IF the removable
bay or external enclosure they're in, has the fan INTEGRAL
to it, then that bay or enclosure itself is actively cooled.
It is relative to the subsystem discussed.



it is sometimes the case that with a very limited # of
dedicated subsystems, where the one doesn't exist without
the other (when will you use a removable tray, as-in be
actually "using" it, if there is no drive in it?), that they
are considered as a whole in that they are not modular to
the extent that one has purpose without the other.

Despite your above paragraph of unintellible babble,
"passive cooling" is by radiation, convection, or
conduction. Anything which requires an input of power
to maintain cooling is "active cooling", no matter how
narrow your focus has become.

*TimDaniels*

 

[kony]

You should recall that the "active/passive discussion" began
with Korny's absurdity that Kingwin removable HD trays
were "questionable".

Yes, you went and took the discussion off-topic for us with
your misconceptions of what active cooling is.

 

[kony]

Despite your above paragraph of unintellible babble,
"passive cooling" is by radiation, convection, or
conduction. Anything which requires an input of power
to maintain cooling is "active cooling", no matter how
narrow your focus has become.

yes, any "thing", thing being a subsystem. There is no
input of power into that subsystem for cooling.

Your idea is amusing though, given the vast vast number of
passive devices out there in the market which contradict
your theory of what passive out to be, instead of what it
is.

 

[kony]

Ahhh! *You* have Alzheimer's, too. On February 19, 2006,
in the thread "How much heat do cooling fans generate" in this
very newsgroup, you wrote:

"Well, after reading this group for many years and
seeing Kony selflessly give good advice to many
hundreds of people I have one word for you Timmy.


<Plonk>

Maybe we want some entertainment.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

There is no input of power into that subsystem for cooling.

Your idea is amusing though, given the vast vast number of
passive devices out there in the market which contradict
your theory of what passive out to be, instead of what it is.

There you go again, morphing the argument - we're
not discussing "passive devices", we're discussing
"passive cooling" - the process, the procedure - not
*what* is being cooled, but *how* it's being cooled.

Your problem is that you believe product labels and
remain ignorant of basic science and engineering.
What you refer to as "passive" cooling is actually
cooling by "FORCED AIR DRAFT" - obviously active
cooling. But... in *choosing* to ignore basic science
and engineering, you look at the tiniest subsystem and
say "If it ain't blowin' on itself, it's 'passive' cooling", and
you then ignore the fact that power is being expended by
another component (a case fan) to produce that forced
air draft. By that token, powered aircraft would engage
in "passive flight" because the propellers or turbines
produce the thrust, not the airframe. Your narrowed and
limited focus on *any* concept does a great disservice
to readers of this newsgroup.

*TimDaniels*

 

[yuenkitmun]

When I do that Win2K tells me that it will have to schedule it fo the
next time I reboot. When I reboot, Win2K runs CHKDSK.

Do a Search for "scandisk". There is none that belongs t Windows

Absolutely right. Could have sworn ... I guess I should have learnt b
now - verify before opening my mouth.

Must have been programmed too well by DOS, or was that Win95? :

 

[~misfit~]

I tend to respond similarly to the preceeding post. If
someone seems to relate in a certain way, my replies will
tend to go that direction too. If you were in China would
you speak Spanish?

Excatly. I'm surprised you haven't done it earlier, my hat is off to you.
There seem to be several stalkers (or one and sock-puppets) who resent your
extensive knowledge and generousity of spirit and are investing a hell of a
lot of time attacking your posts while contributing very little themselves.

I've been coming to this group for many a year, if you were being paid for
the amount of time you take and useful information that you pass on here you
could have yourself a very nice BMW or something from the proceeds. Some
people let the baser instincts, such as jealousy, take up too much of their
time.

However my advice is don't let them drag you down to their level and then
beat you with experience.

Best,

 

[~misfit~]

Maybe we want some entertainment.

Actually, either Timothy changed his "reply to" addy (IE killfiles on "reply
to", not posting name) or I genuinely forgot to killfile him after writing
that. I don't knowing lie about stuff like that.

 

[Bob]

Back to the original topic, when the boot disk becomes corrupted and
CHKDSK runs on reboot, I always get the same fixup:

"Repairing Usn Journal file record segment".

Nothing else appears to need fixing unless the extent of the
corruption is so bad that the system BSODs and then I have to mount
the disk as D: and run CHKDSK manually - and all sorts of fixes are
registered.

I have asked the public.microsoft forums but no one knows what is
causing the Usn Journal to be corrupted.

 

[kony]

There you go again, morphing the argument - we're
not discussing "passive devices", we're discussing
"passive cooling"

<snip>

No Tim, one of us is discussing it but the other seems
unclear on what passive cooling is.

 

[Bob]

No Tim, one of us is discussing it but the other seems
unclear on what passive cooling is.

I have not kept up with this subthread. Is someone maintaining that if
you blow air with a fan that it is considered passive cooling?

 

[Timothy Daniels]

I have not kept up with this subthread. Is someone maintaining
that if you blow air with a fan that it is considered passive cooling?

Yes, korny ball is. You can verify it at Groups.Google.com.
He claimes that if the cooling fan is mounted on the PC case
wall and not in a HD's removable tray, the HD is being
"passively cooled" - despite power being expended by the
fan to produce the forced air draft. But then, that's korny ball.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Back to the original topic, when the boot disk becomes
corrupted and CHKDSK runs on reboot, I always get
the same fixup:

"Repairing Usn Journal file record segment".

Nothing else appears to need fixing unless the extent of
the corruption is so bad that the system BSODs and then
I have to mount the disk as D: and run CHKDSK manually -
and all sorts of fixes are registered.

I have asked the public.microsoft forums but no one knows
what is causing the Usn Journal to be corrupted.

Give comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage NG a try.

*TimDaniels*

 

[~misfit~]

I have not kept up with this subthread. Is someone maintaining that if
you blow air with a fan that it is considered passive cooling?

No, Tim is maintaining that a device that relies on airflow provided by
something else (In this instance the case fan) is considered to have active
cooling as there is a fan moving the air.

However, this is patently untrue. The device itself is passively cooled.
Just because the case fan is cooling it to a degree when it's installed in a
case with a fan doesn't make it an actively cooled device.

 

[Bob]

Give comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage NG a try.

Thanks, I did once but there are too many pre-adolescent trolls on
there for it to be useful.