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plun
JohnF. said:
Hi
When you visit your shoppingcenter do you write
"Kilroy was here" in every shop you visit ?
What will next step be for these "Horsefeathers" ?
Hi
When you visit your shoppingcenter do you write
"Kilroy was here" in every shop you visit ?
What will next step be for these "Horsefeathers" ?
J
JohnF.
Do you write that at every website you visit?
Your fear is blinding you to the true advantages and liabilities of cookies.
Your fear is blinding you to the true advantages and liabilities of cookies.
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plun
JohnF. said:
Of course, I have special "cookies" with Kilroy signatures
I think this can be something to trick these horsefeathers so
instead of tracking they got "Kilroy was here" from
all............
It is not "fear".... I don´t want to be tracked, it is my
Privacy.
M
MSM1
I noticed you so nicely (or intentionally!) omitted the point about WITHOUT
PERMISSION!!
Which includes the fact that surveyers to not give you a sample and gain
your opinion without your consent!! DUH!!
I am sorry, but you or no tech engineer on the freakin' planet cannot
profoundly state that ALL cookies are colleting information with every
single user's explicit consent!
Defend away, but the only time a company is going to make money off of me is
if I purchase something or a service from them.
Otherwise, these "innocent" little cookies are toast (with no butter!)
MSM1
PERMISSION!!
Which includes the fact that surveyers to not give you a sample and gain
your opinion without your consent!! DUH!!
I am sorry, but you or no tech engineer on the freakin' planet cannot
profoundly state that ALL cookies are colleting information with every
single user's explicit consent!
Defend away, but the only time a company is going to make money off of me is
if I purchase something or a service from them.
Otherwise, these "innocent" little cookies are toast (with no butter!)
MSM1
J
JohnF.
Permission is up to you - controls are in place already to restrict to your
own desire.
Proxy and caching servers are still keeping track of your activities... you
might want to look into that too.
own desire.
Proxy and caching servers are still keeping track of your activities... you
might want to look into that too.
P
plun
JohnF. said:
Some sites promts me that I must use cookies.
Well, I can let them have my IP adress and what OS and
browser I am using but that is enough.
I think if MS ask 100 people about this 90 should say NO to
tracking cookies.
IMHO.
M
MSM1
I have learned that part of makes the world go around is techie rebels like
you.
So far- you have defended cookies, been critical of just about everything
that has crossed your path, tried to exploit others' ignorance, and
displayed a constant battering of not one time admitting that cookies have
developed a rather bad rap from an attempt at legit business.
If you have something to share, or even teach, a more professional attitude
here in this newsgroup would be appreciated.
Granted- you may be tech savvy and can probably squirt binary code out of
your left ear, but fail not to remember that there are other's out there who
know things you don't.
And- I am HUMAN enough to admit that I could probably learn a lot from you--
but your sharing method stinks (in my opinion!)
Bad cookies are not nice! Children express this from an elementary
point-of-view themselves! Tell me how many kids will knowingly accept a bad
chocolate chip cookie!
Get my point?
Save your criticism and share. It will go a lot further----
MSM1
you.
So far- you have defended cookies, been critical of just about everything
that has crossed your path, tried to exploit others' ignorance, and
displayed a constant battering of not one time admitting that cookies have
developed a rather bad rap from an attempt at legit business.
If you have something to share, or even teach, a more professional attitude
here in this newsgroup would be appreciated.
Granted- you may be tech savvy and can probably squirt binary code out of
your left ear, but fail not to remember that there are other's out there who
know things you don't.
And- I am HUMAN enough to admit that I could probably learn a lot from you--
but your sharing method stinks (in my opinion!)
Bad cookies are not nice! Children express this from an elementary
point-of-view themselves! Tell me how many kids will knowingly accept a bad
chocolate chip cookie!
Get my point?
Save your criticism and share. It will go a lot further----
MSM1
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Derek N
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
B
Bill Sanderson
VX2 is a "family" of commercial spyware
They have a number of variants, and generally should be listed in add or remove programs, and can be difficult to otherwise remove.
--
FAQ for Microsoft Antispyware:
http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
They have a number of variants, and generally should be listed in add or remove programs, and can be difficult to otherwise remove.
--
FAQ for Microsoft Antispyware:
http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
J
JohnF.
Points received and taken.
I am not defending cookies - I block most cookies myself.
My concern with all of the cookie discussion that goes on here is that
newbies and folks who don't care to be geeks are being scared by the bad
information being shared in the form of personal opinion and feelings about
cookies.
We have a poster who thinks he has a cookie has taken control of his PC -
that is wrong and cannot be helpful to anyone.
Are cookies spyware? No.
Does spyware use cookies? Sometimes.
Can cookies transmit your confidential personal information? No.
Can cookies reveal habits and preferences? Yes
Can cookies be blocked or deleted? Yes
Should cookies tools exist to allow more informed control of cookies? Yes
Should that be MSAS? Possibly.
Let's not waste a lot of people's time over cookies when they need to have a
better understanding of the more serious problems of security on their home
machines. There are MANY home machines out there that are serving as
zombies and file dumps for people who don't respect boundaries and privacy
or care about the consequences of internet anarchy.
Granted, Windows could come out of the box butoned down a lot better than it
is and save the world a lot of trouble. Until then, these folks should try
to get spyware/malware uder control in order to regain the proper function
of their PCs but they also need to get other security issues straightened
out as well.
My input in this thread has been reduced to swapping comments rather than
sticking to my original statements so:
Cookies are text files you allow through the Privacy Configuration of your
browser to exist on yout PC to generally aid and simplify the function of
web applications and preferences for your own benefit. Advertisiers and ad
software also use cookies to keep track of click/viewing activities in order
to justify costs and demand revenue.
Cookies cannot take control of your PC and do not transmit confidential
personal information. Each individual has control over cookies in IE
through the Privacy Tab of the Internet Options section of the Tools in IE.
Cookies may be considered an invasion of privacy through the exploitation of
the lack of a proper understanding of cookie use, control and removal from
end user PCs by the end users themselves.
Please do not panic - and for certain do not try to cause panic over cookies
because of bad or mis-information provided by those who mean well but do not
understand cookies or by those who do not mean well and try to use fear to
force changes in privacy manangement based on their personal preferences.
There are many tools available for free or for cost to manage cookies beyond
the Privacy Configuration tools of IE - you can find no less that 100 of
these applications at http://www.majorgeeks.com
I hope that you find this to be of more assistance and value than my
previous posts.
Thank you,
JohnF.
I am not defending cookies - I block most cookies myself.
My concern with all of the cookie discussion that goes on here is that
newbies and folks who don't care to be geeks are being scared by the bad
information being shared in the form of personal opinion and feelings about
cookies.
We have a poster who thinks he has a cookie has taken control of his PC -
that is wrong and cannot be helpful to anyone.
Are cookies spyware? No.
Does spyware use cookies? Sometimes.
Can cookies transmit your confidential personal information? No.
Can cookies reveal habits and preferences? Yes
Can cookies be blocked or deleted? Yes
Should cookies tools exist to allow more informed control of cookies? Yes
Should that be MSAS? Possibly.
Let's not waste a lot of people's time over cookies when they need to have a
better understanding of the more serious problems of security on their home
machines. There are MANY home machines out there that are serving as
zombies and file dumps for people who don't respect boundaries and privacy
or care about the consequences of internet anarchy.
Granted, Windows could come out of the box butoned down a lot better than it
is and save the world a lot of trouble. Until then, these folks should try
to get spyware/malware uder control in order to regain the proper function
of their PCs but they also need to get other security issues straightened
out as well.
My input in this thread has been reduced to swapping comments rather than
sticking to my original statements so:
Cookies are text files you allow through the Privacy Configuration of your
browser to exist on yout PC to generally aid and simplify the function of
web applications and preferences for your own benefit. Advertisiers and ad
software also use cookies to keep track of click/viewing activities in order
to justify costs and demand revenue.
Cookies cannot take control of your PC and do not transmit confidential
personal information. Each individual has control over cookies in IE
through the Privacy Tab of the Internet Options section of the Tools in IE.
Cookies may be considered an invasion of privacy through the exploitation of
the lack of a proper understanding of cookie use, control and removal from
end user PCs by the end users themselves.
Please do not panic - and for certain do not try to cause panic over cookies
because of bad or mis-information provided by those who mean well but do not
understand cookies or by those who do not mean well and try to use fear to
force changes in privacy manangement based on their personal preferences.
There are many tools available for free or for cost to manage cookies beyond
the Privacy Configuration tools of IE - you can find no less that 100 of
these applications at http://www.majorgeeks.com
I hope that you find this to be of more assistance and value than my
previous posts.
Thank you,
JohnF.
J
JohnF.
VX2 variants hide pretty well on your computer and if there is a trojan that is aiding the VX2 program, they can be difficult to remove - whether it is still on your machine remains to be seen. have you installed the latest version of adaware with the VX2 plugin also? www.majorgeeks.com in the Spyware section has both.
I have purposely infected a machine several times with VX2 "Better Internet" adware and then ran MSAS and found that it was able to remove the adware successfully after two complete runs. You may have to boot up into safe mode and then scan twice to get the best results.
Let me also suggest SpywareBlaster to help block later infections with some of these controls that the spyware programs use to stay on your machine.
JohnF.
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
I have purposely infected a machine several times with VX2 "Better Internet" adware and then ran MSAS and found that it was able to remove the adware successfully after two complete runs. You may have to boot up into safe mode and then scan twice to get the best results.
Let me also suggest SpywareBlaster to help block later infections with some of these controls that the spyware programs use to stay on your machine.
JohnF.
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
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Derek N
John,
Yes I have downloaded and installed Ad-Aware SE Professional VX2 plug-in, it claims my computer is clean. It was approximately 2 years ago when I had this problem, at that time I posted for help on the newsgroup "microsoft.public.security.virus" but basically at that time I had to rely on my own instincts.
My protection programmes include "CounterSpy 1.0.26", "MS AntiSpy 1.0.509","SpyBlaster 3.3", "SpyGuard 2.2", "Ad-Aware SE Professional", "SpyBot S&D 1.3", "AVG AntiVirus 7.0.308, ISS's "PC Protection (firewall)" and others, all are kept updated on a daily basis.
Derek N
VX2 variants hide pretty well on your computer and if there is a trojan that is aiding the VX2 program, they can be difficult to remove - whether it is still on your machine remains to be seen. have you installed the latest version of adaware with the VX2 plugin also? www.majorgeeks.com in the Spyware section has both.
I have purposely infected a machine several times with VX2 "Better Internet" adware and then ran MSAS and found that it was able to remove the adware successfully after two complete runs. You may have to boot up into safe mode and then scan twice to get the best results.
Let me also suggest SpywareBlaster to help block later infections with some of these controls that the spyware programs use to stay on your machine.
JohnF.
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
Yes I have downloaded and installed Ad-Aware SE Professional VX2 plug-in, it claims my computer is clean. It was approximately 2 years ago when I had this problem, at that time I posted for help on the newsgroup "microsoft.public.security.virus" but basically at that time I had to rely on my own instincts.
My protection programmes include "CounterSpy 1.0.26", "MS AntiSpy 1.0.509","SpyBlaster 3.3", "SpyGuard 2.2", "Ad-Aware SE Professional", "SpyBot S&D 1.3", "AVG AntiVirus 7.0.308, ISS's "PC Protection (firewall)" and others, all are kept updated on a daily basis.
Derek N
VX2 variants hide pretty well on your computer and if there is a trojan that is aiding the VX2 program, they can be difficult to remove - whether it is still on your machine remains to be seen. have you installed the latest version of adaware with the VX2 plugin also? www.majorgeeks.com in the Spyware section has both.
I have purposely infected a machine several times with VX2 "Better Internet" adware and then ran MSAS and found that it was able to remove the adware successfully after two complete runs. You may have to boot up into safe mode and then scan twice to get the best results.
Let me also suggest SpywareBlaster to help block later infections with some of these controls that the spyware programs use to stay on your machine.
JohnF.
John,
I could not be sure if at the time (approx 2 years ago), when Ad-Aware found I had "BetterInternet or BINet" on my computer, they identified it as a Tracking Cookie or Adware. Anyway Ad-Aware attempted to clean it but failed to complete the job, I was left struggling to clear the remnants from my computer. I now see they and Norton are calling this phenomenon "VX2.BetterInternet", I can't yet find what the VX2 means.
Derek N
That's adware, not a cookie.
Bill apparently I believe it is a Tracking Cookie, it is also known as "Advware.BetterInternet" see http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453088466.
I think BINet is derived from Better IinterNet.
Derek N
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Gary Labowitz
JohnF. said:
Get 'em, John.
It strikes me this is very little different than a store having a guy sit by
the door and count people as they come into the store. The only difference
is they would stick a little pin-on button to your shirt so that when you
walked in their scanner would read the button and log the fact that you came
in.
I doesn't get your name, your address, how much change you have in your
pocket, etc.
On the other hand, my scanners find these buttons (cookies) and I always
delete the data miner ones. I run X-cleaner on each shut down so the system
starts pretty clean on each boot. And I run Spybot S&D and AdAware every
week. With the Microsoft product, AVG, and ZoneAlarm always running I am
coming up with between 3 and 20 "removable" objects a week. For me, this is
sufficient. YMMV.
Now if I could get rid of the porn-ad e-mails...... (about 20 a day)
G
Gary Labowitz
JohnF. said:
An aside: I suppose some people don't use those store "membership" cards
that get you special discounts. When Acme, for example, scans my card at the
register they know what I bought, when I shopped, how I paid, etc. I get
mail from them with ads that frankly I use. It helps me to get what I want
at a better price. And they get the business. Every now and then I get a
free turkey (for Easter it's a ham). I don't begrudge their wanting the
information --- they are paying me for it!
J
JohnF.
Gary,
Is your spam problem on a personal pop account or office server account?
JohnF.
Is your spam problem on a personal pop account or office server account?
JohnF.
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Gary Labowitz
JohnF. said:
This is a personal pop account at home.
Gary
M
MSM1
Believe it or not, I already have. I am running a proxy from my ISP. And,
the localhost proxy caches my activity locally.
Hmmmmmmm.......
MSM1
the localhost proxy caches my activity locally.
Hmmmmmmm.......
MSM1
M
MSM1
Gary, I carry e of those "membership" cards and yes, they seem to track just
about everything I purchase. As a matter of fact, I can access my membership
account online.
And, I do agree with the fact that they have limited information about me
and my shopping habits without recourse from me because I get the freebies
and some killer discounts using it.
What I am wondering is how does this compare to Internet activity? Do we get
a free turkey or ham, or receive manufacturer coupons online or in snail
mail based on the collected cookie data?
MSM1
about everything I purchase. As a matter of fact, I can access my membership
account online.
And, I do agree with the fact that they have limited information about me
and my shopping habits without recourse from me because I get the freebies
and some killer discounts using it.
What I am wondering is how does this compare to Internet activity? Do we get
a free turkey or ham, or receive manufacturer coupons online or in snail
mail based on the collected cookie data?
MSM1
M
MSM1
I agree! And as matter of fact, there is an option in ZoneAlarm where a user
can limit the IP information that a user's computer sends to the ZA website
when connecting to them.
MSM1
can limit the IP information that a user's computer sends to the ZA website
when connecting to them.
MSM1
G
Guest
I hate to dissapoint you. I would bet that you, your car
and even tag are video recorded everyday when you drive
on public streets, park in shopping centers, and walk
through the malls. Everytime you use a debit or credit
card, someone is tracking your sales habits. These are
public places and we risk this when we travel out of our
homes. The internet is public and there are risks in the
virtual world similar to the real world. FIrewalls,
anitvirus and spyware protection are essential tools but
when we travel in public, we run those risks.
and even tag are video recorded everyday when you drive
on public streets, park in shopping centers, and walk
through the malls. Everytime you use a debit or credit
card, someone is tracking your sales habits. These are
public places and we risk this when we travel out of our
homes. The internet is public and there are risks in the
virtual world similar to the real world. FIrewalls,
anitvirus and spyware protection are essential tools but
when we travel in public, we run those risks.