cont. Include vs DWT

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D McClellan

Hi Jim, I feel honored to gain your attention! :) Love your addins and
your and Paul's new book! Thanks.
Ok I have been testing around with this DWT and I think I am getting the
hang of it and it is very cool! I am so glad it was suggested to me.
This is what I wound up doing please tell me if it is around the bush or you
think I did it right. Hopefully others will learn with me.

I have an existing developed page so I selected the layout table, copied and
pasted it into a new blank page that will be saved as the main level dwt. to
use on the main level pages. On the dwt I gave it the page background path,
formated the page properties, pasted my navigation buttons from the included
page I had been using, also copied any static text and graphics for the main
level and assigned the managable edit areas to the rest of the cells. I
attached it to the old web page.

I'm sticky on what I should be selecting for old / new regions. I would like
this template to replace just the template elements and not delete the
editable areas all over the rest of the old page that had been established.
What should I do?

How am I doing so far? :))

Thank you!!
Deb Mc
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

Not from Jim,
But
You'll will find some good planning ideas on setting up your DWT at http://www.dwtig.com/

On your other pages remove any redundant content (include pages, nav bars, banners, footers, etc) before you apply the DWT to it
Once you get the hang of them you will probably not go back to shared borders, etc

The only down side is currently the DWT will not automatically update all pages in a FP Site running under the FP SE (you will need
to reopen all pages to apply changes to the DWT)
It does automatically update all pages using them in disc based webs and webs running under WSS
--




| Hi Jim, I feel honored to gain your attention! :) Love your addins and
| your and Paul's new book! Thanks.
| Ok I have been testing around with this DWT and I think I am getting the
| hang of it and it is very cool! I am so glad it was suggested to me.
| This is what I wound up doing please tell me if it is around the bush or you
| think I did it right. Hopefully others will learn with me.
|
| I have an existing developed page so I selected the layout table, copied and
| pasted it into a new blank page that will be saved as the main level dwt. to
| use on the main level pages. On the dwt I gave it the page background path,
| formated the page properties, pasted my navigation buttons from the included
| page I had been using, also copied any static text and graphics for the main
| level and assigned the managable edit areas to the rest of the cells. I
| attached it to the old web page.
|
| I'm sticky on what I should be selecting for old / new regions. I would like
| this template to replace just the template elements and not delete the
| editable areas all over the rest of the old page that had been established.
| What should I do?
|
| How am I doing so far? :))
|
| Thank you!!
| Deb Mc
|
| | > Hi Deb,
| >
| > A Dynamic Web Template cannot be attached to part of a page. It's all or
| > nothing.
| >
| > If you have an existing table and you attach a DWT to that page, you will
| > get the "Choose Editable Regions for Content" dialog. If the page you are
| > attaching the DWT to does not contain any editable regions (and it likely
| > won't), you will have to choose which editable region in the DWT you want
| to
| > contain that content.
| >
| > --
| > Jim Cheshire
| > Jimco Add-ins
| > http://www.jimcoaddins.com
| > ===================================
| > Co-author of Special Edition
| > Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
| > Order it today!
| > http://sefp2003.frontpagelink.com
| >
| >
| >
| > | > > Hi and thank you all for the advice. It seems I have two possible
| > solutions.
| > > Copying the java code I expected but couldn't come up with what to copy
| > > where, so that helped a lot.
| > >
| > > The Dynamic web template ... I am going though Paul Colligan's book to
| > learn
| > > and hum...
| > >
| > > Isn't the dwt something best used *before* a detailed site is built and
| > > set in concrete? I am only wrestling with one left sided navigation cell
| > in
| > > a large established table that contains the include page of nav buttons.
| > >
| > > Tell me if I am wrong, but to me it looks like if I attach the dwt that
| > > contains the table of nav buttons it is going to throw off my entire
| page
| > > foundation. Can I attach it to just a cell? That would be cool. :)
| > >
| > > I am going to look around here about dwt and try to learn more and if
| > anyone
| > > would like to take the time to tell me if it is a good idea to attach a
| > dwt
| > > for the replacement of a cell that contain included content and briefly
| > how
| > > best to do it, you will be treasured forever. I'll name my next subweb
| > after
| > > you - haha
| > >
| > > Thanks!!
| > > Deb
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > > In general, Interactive buttons should not be used in include files or
| > > > shared borders since the JavaScript associated with them does not
| always
| > > go
| > > > into the pages correctly. See www.rxs-enterprises.com/tests/buttons/
| > for
| > > an
| > > > example (the example uses shared borders, but applies to includes as
| > well)
| > > > of how this can be done, and the severe restrictions you have to put
| up
| > > > with.
| > > > Use Dynamic Web Templates instead of includes.
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > > Ron
| > > >
| > > > Reply only to group - all emails will be deleted unread.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Thanks, but the buttons are saved into the folder "buttons" that I
| > sent
| > > > them
| > > > > into when first closing the page. And the include page that calls
| them
| > > up
| > > > > works fine as long as it is used in the root dir. But if I put the
| > > button
| > > > > include page on a sub folder page then the buttons work in the local
| > > > preview
| > > > > mode but not in the preview in browser view or on the remote web
| site.
| > > > >
| > > > > I think! maybe the html page (b) using the include page (a) that's
| > > holding
| > > > > the buttons need to be on the same directory level as the html page
| > (b)
| > > ?
| > > > >
| > > > > There must be "tip" for keeping the buttons working anywhere in the
| > > site,
| > > > no
| > > > > matter where they or the include page resides.
| > > > >
| > > > > Thanks, Deb
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > If you want to keep the buttons in a different folder then you
| need
| > to
| > > > > > switch to code view and modify the script so the image path is
| > > correct.
| > > > > For
| > > > > > example, /images/buttons
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > David Berry - MCP
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > > > > > FrontPage Support: http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/
| > > > > > -----------------------------------
| > > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support
| see:
| > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > > > > > -----------------------------------
| > > > > > | > > > > > > Hi all,
| > > > > > > I know your answer will be the thing I didn't try and I will
| > shriek
| > > at
| > > > > my
| > > > > > > own "duh!"
| > > > > > > but...
| > > > > > > I made FP2003 interactive buttons on a page and used it as an
| > > include
| > > > > page
| > > > > > > for my site's navigation saving it in the root dir. I saved my
| > > buttons
| > > > > > first
| > > > > > > to a button folder, and then to the root but the problem
| persists.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > The problem is when a subdirectory of the page pulls up the
| > include
| > > > page
| > > > > > the
| > > > > > > buttons work ok in preview but show up as missing graphics, or
| > > missing
| > > > > > until
| > > > > > > you roll over them, in preview through the browser.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > I believe it has something to do with the button graphics being
| in
| > > one
| > > > > > > folder and the include page in another and it's all working with
| > > both
| > > > > > > directory levels? But I am not finding the right combo to get
| them
| > > to
| > > > > work
| > > > > > > on all levels from the one include path.
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > > I would treasure some advice. Thank you in advance!!
| > > > > > > Deb
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
|
|
 
D

DMc

Thanks Stefan. Again. Yeah that would work removing the old content first.
Thanks, that was the tip I needed. and I will check out the link suggested.
I don't know how we would get along without the generosity of others
helping others,
Thanks!
Deb


Stefan B Rusynko said:
Not from Jim,
But
You'll will find some good planning ideas on setting up your DWT at http://www.dwtig.com/

On your other pages remove any redundant content (include pages, nav bars,
banners, footers, etc) before you apply the DWT to it
Once you get the hang of them you will probably not go back to shared borders, etc

The only down side is currently the DWT will not automatically update all
pages in a FP Site running under the FP SE (you will need
 
D

DMc

So if you manage your site locally in a disc based web it will automatically
update pages and then publish to a remote running the SE life is sweet.
Right? :)

I am learning a ton on your suggested link and also at
http://frontpagetemplates.com/dwtweb468/
I think this is great. Thank you again so much for the encouragement and
help.
Deb Mc

Stefan B Rusynko said:
Not from Jim,
But
You'll will find some good planning ideas on setting up your DWT at http://www.dwtig.com/

On your other pages remove any redundant content (include pages, nav bars,
banners, footers, etc) before you apply the DWT to it
Once you get the hang of them you will probably not go back to shared borders, etc

The only down side is currently the DWT will not automatically update all
pages in a FP Site running under the FP SE (you will need
 
D

DMc

Well, no problem and it's a small wonder you missed that message. But I hope
you got the well deserved compliment. When I come in the news group I always
feel like I am with the best... names I have come to know over the years
through often visited websites or well loved programs for FrontPage. It's
just great to meet you all in almost person to tell you how grateful I am
for your offerings.
Now get back to work, other call.... :))

Hugs, Deb McClellan
www.mcclellanweb.com
 
M

MD WebsUnlimited.com

Deb,

I visited your web site and there is a JavaScript error on the main page.
 

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