Consumer Alert: RPC Vulnerability!!!

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kurttrail

MS thinks it doesn't sell you your copies of software, they allow you to
use it, however, you own all of their security holes! It's your
responsibility to fix the problems with "their" software!

MS-SUPPORTERS: STOP BLAMING CONSUMERS FOR THE MESS THAT MS MADE!

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Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
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Mike Terenni

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kurttrail said:
MS thinks it doesn't sell you your copies of software, they allow you
to use it, however, you own all of their security holes! It's your
responsibility to fix the problems with "their" software!

MS-SUPPORTERS: STOP BLAMING CONSUMERS FOR THE MESS THAT MS MADE!

This is an interesting take on it: Microsoft owns the software, and thus
must have full responsibility for it, yet the Microsoft fanboyz think
the customer is 100% responsible for any harm that comes from
pre-existing flaws in the software.
 
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EGMcCann

kurttrail said:
MS thinks it doesn't sell you your copies of software, they allow you to
use it, however, you own all of their security holes! It's your
responsibility to fix the problems with "their" software!

Nitwit. Did MS say "Guess what, here's a C compiler, go create a patch" to
the consumers? No.
Did they put out a patch A MONTH AGO, FREE OF CHARGE, to fix THIS VERY
PROBLEM? Yes.
MS-SUPPORTERS: STOP BLAMING CONSUMERS FOR THE MESS THAT MS MADE!

Kurt, STOP SMOKING WHATEVER YOU'RE SMOKING.

--
If you have to ask if your copy of XP is 32 or 64 bit, it's 32.
Getting Messenger popups? Turn on your firewall!
Patch from Microsoft:
http://tinyurl.com/h84v
More info from MS:
www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

(Stolen with pride from Gary Thorn... thanks!)
 
K

kurttrail

EGMcCann said:
Nitwit. Did MS say "Guess what, here's a C compiler, go create a
patch" to the consumers? No.
Did they put out a patch A MONTH AGO, FREE OF CHARGE, to fix THIS VERY
PROBLEM? Yes.

Yes, and they also have put out bad patches recently. Using MS patches
is like playing Russian Roullette! Instead of spending time and money
on developing techologies like PA, and DRM, and MS should spend more
time putting out a product that isn't a patch-work quilt!
Kurt, STOP SMOKING WHATEVER YOU'RE SMOKING.

Only if you're offering something better to toke on! ;-)

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.kurttrail.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
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Jacka$$ Joe

I'd like to see you design a full operating system with no
flaws in one shot. If you ever go into the feild of
engineering you will find out that it takes many attempts
to make a product perfect - and it will never be perfect
the fisrt time.

And microsoft has taken resposability for their actions.
They corrected the mistake nearly one month ago...if you
didn't download the patch then IT IS YOUR FAULT!
Microsoft can't "make" you download the patch, they can
only provide it to you and hope you make the right
decision.

-Happy Computing
 
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Jacka$$ Joe

I'd like to see you design a full operating system with no
flaws in one shot. If you ever go into the feild of
engineering you will find out that it takes many attempts
to make a product perfect - and it will never be perfect
the fisrt time.

And microsoft has taken resposability for their actions.
They corrected the mistake nearly one month ago...if you
didn't download the patch then IT IS YOUR FAULT!
Microsoft can't "make" you download the patch, they can
only provide it to you and hope you make the right
decision.

-Happy Computing
 
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EGMcCann

kurttrail said:
Yes, and they also have put out bad patches recently. Using MS patches
is like playing Russian Roullette! Instead of spending time and money

Strange. Disable anti virus program. Hmm, no problems with the patch. Could
I have... used common sense? Read the instructions? Hmmm.
on developing techologies like PA, and DRM, and MS should spend more
time putting out a product that isn't a patch-work quilt!

Like the Linux you mention in the other post? Wait, that' IS a patchwork
quilt as well, and more of a pain to patch.

--
If you have to ask if your copy of XP is 32 or 64 bit, it's 32.
Getting Messenger popups? Turn on your firewall!
Patch from Microsoft:
http://tinyurl.com/h84v
More info from MS:
www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

(Stolen with pride from Gary Thorn... thanks!)
 
K

kurttrail

Jacka$$ Joe said:
I'd like to see you design a full operating system with no
flaws in one shot. If you ever go into the feild of
engineering you will find out that it takes many attempts
to make a product perfect - and it will never be perfect
the fisrt time.

Or the second, or the third . . . . Doesn't the phrase, "when hell
freezes over," sound more appropriate?
And microsoft has taken resposability for their actions.
They corrected the mistake nearly one month ago...

Only took since 1996!
if you
didn't download the patch then IT IS YOUR FAULT!

4 different OS's, and 7 years, but it's the consumers fault for waiting
a month! PSML!
Microsoft can't "make" you download the patch, they can
only provide it to you and hope you make the right
decision.

I don't trust MS for anything other than being a convicted predatory
monopolist! I know how to protect my computer without MS's help, but
most users don't know how to manage their Start Menu, let alone manage
to keep up with all of MS fingers to plug up their leaky dike!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.kurttrail.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
K

kurttrail

EGMcCann said:
OK, Mike, I'm going to spell this out V E R Y S L O W L Y for you.

Yes, the flaw existed.

Since 1996!
Microsoft created a patch for it. You know, software that fixes it?

Seven years, and four OS's later!
Microsoft put it in an easy to find location: "Windows Update."

Which is nearly none functional, at present!
Windows Update is easy to find. Click on "Start" and look at the
menu. Gasp! One Click to launch it!
Ooh!

If THAT's too much work, by default, Windows Update also DOWNLOADS the
updates automatically and tells you they're ready to install.

And then you get to eXPerience all the bad patches Automatically!
THIS UPDATE has been out for nearly a month. Plenty of time for it to
be downloaded.

One Month! After 7 years and 4 OS's! PMSL!
All the user needs to do is tell it to install.

And cross their fingers!
A DOUBLE-CLICK.

And say a few Hail Mary's!
Has Microsoft done EVERYTHING POSSIBLE short of SENDING PEOPLE OUT TO
YOUR HOME or Business and DOUBLE CLICKING THE F'ING ICON FOR YOU to
get this installed and close this security hole?

7 years & 4 OS's! Do you think Microsoft has done EVERYTHING POSSIBLE!
Hint: The answer's not "No." And no "What if I were in a coma for a
year and JUST woke up today" stories.

I think you need Hormone Replacement Therapy!

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.kurttrail.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
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EGMcCann

Let's see, Kurt. The patch is now, and has been available.

So all you can do is sit there and rant and rave 'til spit dribbles down
your chin.

What's next, "US civil rights SUCK now because slavery was legal a century
and a half ago!"
Or maybe "Cars pollute too much and are too slow now because the Model T was
introduced early in the 20th century!"
How about "Airplanes are pointless for cargo and international travel
because the Wright brothers could only carry one person a short while in
1903!"

All use the same logic as your BS.

FACTS:

THE FIX IS THERE.
THE FIX HAS BEEN AVAILABLE AND EASY TO GET.
THE PATCH HAS BEEN EASY TO INSTALL.
THE PATCH HAS CAUSED NO PROBLEMS..

Therefore... Microsoft did their part. If they FORCED the patch to install
on the system, you'd be pissing and moaning about that, too.

Go away. You add nothing to the conversations. Go play with Linux - oh,
wait, you wouldn't know who to rant and rave about when THAT box gets hacked
into because you don't apply an AVAILABLE patch.

--
If you have to ask if your copy of XP is 32 or 64 bit, it's 32.
Getting Messenger popups? Turn on your firewall!
Patch from Microsoft:
http://tinyurl.com/h84v
More info from MS:
www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

(Stolen with pride from Gary Thorn... thanks!)
 
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Mike Terenni

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Give him 1/10 the financial resources that Microsoft has, and I'm sure
he could oversee the design of a more-secure operating system. Come on,
"you couldn't do better" responses are reserved for total nitwits. Have
you ever complained about a lousy movie you saw? An unreliable vehicle?
But could you make a better movie yourself? A better car? It doesn't
make sense.

The current vulnerability has been around since NT4. So we're not
talking about the first time (NT4), or the second time (2000), or the
third time (XP). If you count service packs, we're not talking about
the 10th time, or the 11th time... So how is it NOT the fault of
Microsoft, exactly?

Consumers should keep an eye out for patches, but they do NOT assume
responsibility for the flaw because of that fact. Claiming otherwise is
a philosophically-flawed argument.
 
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Mike Terenni

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kurttrail said:
You don't know what you're talking about! MS released a patch that
changed the kernel, but they didn't even test it with the leading AV
programs! Slow down to a crawl a lot of people's computers
AUTOMATICALLY! 811493 was the patch that did this!


And it's priced & licensed accordingly!

As if you should feel *comfortable* disabling your AV protection
whenever you install software--no matter WHAT the source is.

A month from now, some hackers will discover a way to push fake updates
to Windows XP systems, under the guise of "Automatic Updates". Some XP
users will turn their AV off to install the update. Idiot fanboys will
then blame these customers for installing with their AV disabled, and
for the presence of the flaw in the first place.
 
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EGMcCann

Mike Terenni said:
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As if you should feel *comfortable* disabling your AV protection
whenever you install software--no matter WHAT the source is.

A month from now, some hackers will discover a way to push fake updates
to Windows XP systems, under the guise of "Automatic Updates". Some XP
users will turn their AV off to install the update. Idiot fanboys will
then blame these customers for installing with their AV disabled, and
for the presence of the flaw in the first place.

Go wipe the spit from your chin. Good boy.

Now, no, if someone had a problem, they should keep their anti virus up to
date - which all of them do automatically, as well.

If I'm going to update an important component of my system, I'm making sure
nothing interferes with it, prevents it from writing the files it needs to,
etc.

You're just making weaker and weaker arguments. Go back to that desert
island, the moon, Europe, wherever it was you said you were for the last
three weeks.

--
If you have to ask if your copy of XP is 32 or 64 bit, it's 32.
Getting Messenger popups? Turn on your firewall!
Patch from Microsoft:
http://tinyurl.com/h84v
More info from MS:
www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blast.asp

(Stolen with pride from Gary Thorn... thanks!)
 
K

kurttrail

EGMcCann said:
Let's see, Kurt. The patch is now, and has been available.

So all you can do is sit there and rant and rave 'til spit dribbles
down your chin.

What's next, "US civil rights SUCK now because slavery was legal a
century and a half ago!"

Did they get reparations?
Or maybe "Cars pollute too much and are too slow now because the
Model T was introduced early in the 20th century!"

Well, if the Model T ran on ethenol, instead of fossil fuels, we'd have
a lot cleaner air today!
How about "Airplanes are pointless for cargo and international travel
because the Wright brothers could only carry one person a short while
in 1903!"

Are the Wright Brother and/or their direct decendents still making
planes?
All use the same logic as your BS.

No they don't.


Most of which you wrote in the past tense! LOL!
THE FIX IS THERE.

If you can access Windows Update!
THE FIX HAS BEEN AVAILABLE AND EASY TO GET.

So was 811493!
THE PATCH HAS BEEN EASY TO INSTALL.

Not if your computer is rebooting all the time!
THE PATCH HAS CAUSED NO PROBLEMS..

Then you need to read some of the people posts around here more
carefully!
Therefore... Microsoft did their part. If they FORCED the patch to
install on the system, you'd be pissing and moaning about that, too.

Damned straight! The only thing I trust about MS is their greed!

Make me, silly!
You add nothing to the conversations.

You'd look pretty dumb posting responsing to yourself, but then again,
you don't seem to bright responding to me either!
Go play with Linux -
LOL!

oh, wait, you wouldn't know who to rant and rave about when THAT box
gets hacked into because you don't apply an AVAILABLE patch.

SCO! ROFL!

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
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http://microscum.kurttrail.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
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EGMcCann

Mike Terenni said:
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Not to mention another angle to this--what if hackers had responded
sooner? Surely no one would blame XP customers if hackers let loose a
DAY after the patch was made available. So what we have here are
nitwits blaming people based on how long it takes HACKERS to act.

Let's see. One day vs nearly a MONTH. One day is easy to miss, not hear
about it, NOT GET IT HANDED TO YOU. But a month? With it delivered via
Windows Update? With it mentioned on the news? Mentioned in magazines,
online, ???
Let me create the car/brake analogy again so the nitwits can hopefully
follow:

Going to try to follow yourself? I suppose that's where you get your
circular logic.

Suppose you have a car and the brakes have a flaw. A recall
notice gets mailed to you. What if the brakes fail on you the same day
that recall notice arrives in your mailbox? No one in their right mind
could blame you.
True.

If you get the recall notice and IGNORE IT, then YES,
you are a dumbass, but you DO NOT assume responsibility for the presence
of the flaw in the first place! So what we have here are fanboyz
arguing that the car maker isn't at fault just because they mailed that
recall notice. Even though the critical factor was WHEN the
vulnerability chose to rear its ugly head.

For one, spelling with a "z" makes you seem less and less worth listening
to.
Second, NOBODY's blaming the user for the flaw being there in the first
place. Microsoft *should* have checked. Yet - here's the key - *they took
responsibility already and issued a patch.*

To take your analogy further:

The car maker says "There's a problem" and sends out, not just a recall, but
sends a truck to deliver the replacement parts to you, free. They'll even
tow the car to the nearest certified mechanic, free. You JUST have to say
"Yes, fix the breaks, they sent me the parts."

You don't say that. You sit there with the brake parts in your hand, car in
the shop, mechanic standing next to the car ready to go. You then take your
car, put the brake parts in the front seat, drive around for a month -
PASSING THE MECHANIC EVERY DAY FOR THAT MONTH - and eventually the brake
defect WHICH YOU HAD THE PARTS GIVEN TO YOU FOR, and the car DELIVERED TO A
MECHANIC FOR YOU TO GET FIXED, kicks in and wrecks the car.

This is apparently TOO HARD for you to understand.

No, I don't think ANYONE is arguing that if it happened the day the patch
came out, or even within days, they wouldn't blame MS for getting the patch
out earlier.

Yet, you want to try to use this poor example to say "Awww, you didn't
install the patch MS used to FIX THIS PROBLEM A MONTH AGO."

If MS did NOTHING, they'd be the ones responsible. But the problem has had
a fix AVAILABLE. And DELIVERED via Windows Update.
Ideally, the situation we'd have now is that NO ONE would suffer from
this vulnerability in Windoze. Instead, all we'd have is inconvenience
on our hands. So, yes novices and aloof goofballs are paying the price
for their lack of awareness, but MICROSOFT IS STILL THE ONE TO BLAME FOR
THE PRESENCE OF THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

OK, so if MS did nothing, they'd be responsibile. No kidding.
But now that MS HAS doen something, made the patch easily available,
practically HANDED ti to people with Windows Update (thus TAKING
RESPONSIBILITY for the problem and FIXING it with the application of a
patch,) the fact that people IGNORED it means... Microsoft's responsibile?

Um. No.

You're less and less worthwhile to argue with, since you only want to twist
your so-called logic, blaming Microsoft for not sending somebody out to hold
your ****ing hand, so I leave you with one final word.

*PLONK*
 
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Mike Terenni

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EGMcCann said:
Let's see, Kurt. The patch is now, and has been available.

So all you can do is sit there and rant and rave 'til spit dribbles
down your chin.

What's next, "US civil rights SUCK now because slavery was legal a
century and a half ago!"
Or maybe "Cars pollute too much and are too slow now because the
Model T was introduced early in the 20th century!"
How about "Airplanes are pointless for cargo and international travel
because the Wright brothers could only carry one person a short while
in 1903!"

All use the same logic as your BS.

Those are all very bad analogies, because the criticism being leveled
against Microsoft isn't to do with the patched product, but rather the
fact that the problem existed in the first place, and for so long, and
along with so many other serious issues. So, in line with your
analogies, we're not complaining about the current state of civil
rights, or cars, or planes, but rather the fact that things were so
screwed up before.
 
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Don Burnette

The whiny twit doesn't even run XP, so he wouldn't know - he just is here to
bash it and get attention, something he obviously majorly lacks in the real
world. Probably began as a childhood thing.
I swear, if we all just simply would not reply to him perhaps he would go
away - he needs that confrontation, it feeds him and makes him in some crazy
way feel good about himself.

You've got him pegged pretty good EG, as I suspect more and more have as
well.

I've always hated cockroaches...

Don Burnette
 

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