Connect XP Home and NT workstation

[Terry T]

Hello,

I am interconnecting my new XP home PC with an older one
running NT4 SP5 (Workstation). I want to move files off
the NT onto the New machine.
Both have ethernet adapters which I connect with a
crossover cable. The XP machine recognises the connection
(view network connection) I have adjusted the IP addresses
such that they are the same save for one being +1 of the
other. That's as far as it goes. using "Entire network" I
do not see the other machine from the one I browse. Both
are fully turned on and running.
I have a laptop running Win98. In this case the XP machine
sees the laptop and vice versa. I successfully transfer
files.
The laptop sees the NT machine when I interconnect them
but the NT machine does show that it sees the laptop.
However I can copy files from the NT to the laptop.
I have marked certain folders as shared.
Please advise how I can get the XP machine to see files on
the NT machine( i.e same as the win98 machine can do).
Could it be something to do with the user id I am using,
do they have to be the same?
I have tried pinging one machine to the other using their
IP addresses which I have fixed and that does not even
work.
Thanks a lot,
Terry

 

[Chuck]

Hello,

I am interconnecting my new XP home PC with an older one
running NT4 SP5 (Workstation). I want to move files off
the NT onto the New machine.
Both have ethernet adapters which I connect with a
crossover cable. The XP machine recognises the connection
(view network connection) I have adjusted the IP addresses
such that they are the same save for one being +1 of the
other. That's as far as it goes. using "Entire network" I
do not see the other machine from the one I browse. Both
are fully turned on and running.
I have a laptop running Win98. In this case the XP machine
sees the laptop and vice versa. I successfully transfer
files.
The laptop sees the NT machine when I interconnect them
but the NT machine does show that it sees the laptop.
However I can copy files from the NT to the laptop.
I have marked certain folders as shared.
Please advise how I can get the XP machine to see files on
the NT machine( i.e same as the win98 machine can do).
Could it be something to do with the user id I am using,
do they have to be the same?
I have tried pinging one machine to the other using their
IP addresses which I have fixed and that does not even
work.
Thanks a lot,
Terry

Terry,

Please post ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in
Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.

From each computer:
1) Ping itself by name.
2) Ping itself by address.
3) Ping 127.0.0.1.

Do you have any software firewalls on either computer?

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Terry T]

Hello Chuck

The command to create the ipconfig.txt file does not
produce the desired result on the XP machine. The Ipconfig
app "fires" but no file is created.

It works fine on the NT.
The pinging of the NT from itself works fine.
The XP machine pinging works for machine name which maps
to 127.0.0.1, but pinging the address assigned to the LAN
connection 2 (that I am connecting to the NT) does not get
a positive response (unreachable host).

Any advice about the command to produce ipconfig.txt or to
get a display on the screen.

Thanks,
Terry

The firewalls are switched off.

 

[Chuck]

Hello Chuck

The command to create the ipconfig.txt file does not
produce the desired result on the XP machine. The Ipconfig
app "fires" but no file is created.

It works fine on the NT.
The pinging of the NT from itself works fine.
The XP machine pinging works for machine name which maps
to 127.0.0.1, but pinging the address assigned to the LAN
connection 2 (that I am connecting to the NT) does not get
a positive response (unreachable host).

Any advice about the command to produce ipconfig.txt or to
get a display on the screen.

Terry,

Try Start - Run - "cmd". Then "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" - Open
c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.

Separately, please list each machine name and what ip address you manually
assigned.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Terry]

-----Original Message-----

..>Separately, please list each machine name and what ip
address you manually

assigned.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
.
Hi Chuck,

The ipconfog from XP machince is
C:\>ipconfig
Windows IP Configuration
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 81.111.82.195
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
The machine is called DELLXP.
Connection 2 is the one I am using. The addresses have
been written in by me. When it works on the Internet it
uses a address download from the ISP.
The ipconfig text from the NT is as follows
Windows NT IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : ntl
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100
194.168.8.100
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast

NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

Ethernet adapter El90x1:
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-B0-D0-B9-47-79
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 81.111.82.194
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 81.111.82.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 62.254.96.20
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Monday, March 22, 2004
8:34:12 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . : Tuesday, March 23, 2004

2:09:50 AM

Thanks Terry

 

[Chuck]

The ipconfog from XP machince is
C:\>ipconfig
Windows IP Configuration
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 81.111.82.195
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
The machine is called DELLXP.
Connection 2 is the one I am using. The addresses have
been written in by me. When it works on the Internet it
uses a address download from the ISP.
The ipconfig text from the NT is as follows
Windows NT IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . : ntl
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100
194.168.8.100
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast

NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

Ethernet adapter El90x1:
Description . . . . . . . . : 3Com EtherLink PCI
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-B0-D0-B9-47-79
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 81.111.82.194
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . : 81.111.82.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 62.254.96.20
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Monday, March 22, 2004
8:34:12 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . : Tuesday, March 23, 2004

2:09:50 AM

Thanks Terry

Hi Terry,

I'm beginning to get the picture. You alternately connect DellXP to the
internet, or to NT1. How did you pick 81.111.82.194 for an ip address?

How does DellXP connect to the internet? By dialup modem (Connection 1?)? Or
broadband modem connected thru Ethernet?

What firewalls (make, model, and version please) are switched off? On which
computers?

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Terry]

Hi Chuck,
Thanks for giving me so much time.
Remember the interconnection with the laptop works with
about the same configuration.
To supply more data to you I answer your questions.
I'm beginning to get the picture. You alternately connect
DellXP to the

internet, or to NT1. In the final set up I use two

ethernet connections one for NT access the other for
internet. This latter was not connected when I ranipconfig

How did you pick 81.111.82.194 for an ip address?

A techie colleague said I should have an Ip address very

close each other on both machines. I suppose it makes them
this they are part of the same net. I am not sure of the
logic of subnet masks and could have an error there.

How does DellXP connect to the internet? By dialup modem

(Connection 1?)? No
Or

broadband modem connected thru Ethernet? Yes

What firewalls (make, model, and version please) are switched off? On which
computers? Both computers have the free copy of Zone

Alarm running. the NT version is 3.1.395 which I know is
out of date. The NT is running SP5 not the latest.
the XP machine is running ZA version 4.5.538.001.
There is no other firewall on NT.
the Xp machine has the inbuilt Firewall which I have
selected as "not protecting" (you know what I mean) in the
configuration of the connections.
I omited to say that the name of the NT machine is PC233.
Final points: access to the NT is password protected.
access to Xp is not. in both cases I logon using "tt" in
case that is important.
I have selected folders on both machines for sharing.
Thanks,
Terry

 

[Chuck]

Hi Chuck,
Thanks for giving me so much time.
Remember the interconnection with the laptop works with
about the same configuration.
To supply more data to you I answer your questions.
I'm beginning to get the picture. You alternately connect
DellXP to the
ethernet connections one for NT access the other for
internet. This latter was not connected when I ranipconfig

How did you pick 81.111.82.194 for an ip address?
close each other on both machines. I suppose it makes them
this they are part of the same net. I am not sure of the
logic of subnet masks and could have an error there.
(Connection 1?)? No
Or
Alarm running. the NT version is 3.1.395 which I know is
out of date. The NT is running SP5 not the latest.
the XP machine is running ZA version 4.5.538.001.
There is no other firewall on NT.
the Xp machine has the inbuilt Firewall which I have
selected as "not protecting" (you know what I mean) in the
configuration of the connections.
I omited to say that the name of the NT machine is PC233.
Final points: access to the NT is password protected.
access to Xp is not. in both cases I logon using "tt" in
case that is important.
I have selected folders on both machines for sharing.
Thanks,
Terry

OK, Terry,

I think we are closer to getting this solved.

If you have a broadband connection, the absolutely best way to get this working
would be for you to get a NAT router, and use it to connect your computers,
share your internet, and protect them both from the internet.

If you don't want to do that, then make a few changes in the way your network
(with the crossover cable) is setup. I'll advise you as if this is your choice,
unless you tell me different.

Two mistakes that you're making:
1) The ip addresses that you're using are public addresses. You can't just
pick public addresses, and put them on your LAN, reliably. Those addresses may
be in use on the internet, and your XP machine probably thinks your laptop (ip
address) is on the internet, and tries to send a connection to the laptop thru
the bb modem.
2) Zone Alarm is well known (check for other posts I've made in
microsoft.public.* forums about this) for misbehaving and causing problems with
file sharing and with network master browsing. You probably should un install
ZA completely, using every procedure provided by ZA. ZA Pro can be setup to
allow file sharing; this is not a feature in ZA Free. Fortunately, if all
you're going to do with your interconnection of your two computers is transfer
files, you don't need a firewall there.

So, what to do?
1) Un install ZA from both computers. Carefully and completely.
2) Run the Network Setup wizard on the XP computer. Select "This computer
connects directly to the internet", and "This computer will provide internet
connection to other computers". Also "Protect this computer when connecting to
the internet" (I think something like that).
3) Configure the NT computer to "Obtain network settings automatically".
4) Make sure username "tt" has identical passwords on both computers.

That should do it.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Terry]

Thanks a lot I 'll try your suggested solutions.
Any ideas (more out of curiosity) as why the laptop
running Win98 (without ZA) is accessed by the XP machine
easier? Is NT more alien to XP than Win98?
I'll let you know how I get on.
It is late here in Ireland now.
Good night.
Terry