Cleaning temp files

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Eric

Hello,

Can I safely remove all the files/folders in C:\Documents and
Settings\"user"\Local Settings\Temp?
Any other location that could benefit from the same treatment, i.e.
C:\Documents and Settings\"user"\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files?

Thank you.

Eric
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Eric said:
Hello,

Can I safely remove all the files/folders in C:\Documents and
Settings\"user"\Local Settings\Temp?
Any other location that could benefit from the same treatment, i.e.
C:\Documents and Settings\"user"\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files?

Thank you.

Eric

Yes, you can safely delete all files in the Temp folder. Your Temporary
Internet Files are best handled through Internet Explorer. Have a look at
Tools / Internet Options / Browsing History.
 
E

Eric

Using Internet Options seems to leave files behind. Ccleaner does a better
job.

Thank you.

Eric
 
B

BillW50

In Max Wachtel typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:57 -0500:
and your point is.......

[snip]

Ah Eric... You know after CCleaner gets done with it, those files are
recreated once again, right? So what is the purpose of deleting them just
briefly for anyway?

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
E

Eric

I thought it was a good rule of thumb before running a defrag...


BillW50 said:
In Max Wachtel typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:57 -0500:
and your point is.......

[snip]

Ah Eric... You know after CCleaner gets done with it, those files are
recreated once again, right? So what is the purpose of deleting them just
briefly for anyway?

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
E

Eric

Not trying to make a point just explaining what I am using to handle IE
cache, history...

What did you bring to this thread, beside a lot of arrogance?
 
M

Max Wachtel

Not trying to make a point just explaining what I am using to handle IE
cache, history...

What did you bring to this thread, beside a lot of arrogance?

sorry-I didn't relize that you were using Outlook Express. It doesn't
handle newsgroup posting very well. I was trying to make you aware of
what a mess top-posting can make of a thread. Now on to the original
topic.

CrapCleaner is a very good program to clean up temp files but one needs
to be careful when using the registry section. I have read that some
folks have got themselves into trouble using it.
 
B

BillW50

In Eric typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:35:27 -0500:
I thought it was a good rule of thumb before running a defrag...


BillW50 said:
In Max Wachtel typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:57 -0500:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:08:57 -0500, Eric, in
<after much thought,
came up with this jewel:

Using Internet Options seems to leave files behind. Ccleaner does a
better job.


and your point is.......

[snip]

Ah Eric... You know after CCleaner gets done with it, those files are
recreated once again, right? So what is the purpose of deleting them
just briefly for anyway?

On paper it does. In reality, I don't see any performance difference. In
fact, I rarely defrag and I do so just to do it about once every two years.
Windows XP is said to do a fairly good job about writing files sequentially
anyway. And I believe this as well. Since defragging once every 2 two years,
I rarely even see just a tiny bit of drive performance.

Back in the 80's when we had super slow MFM hard drives. Defragging made a
huge difference! I don't see this anymore with IDE drives though. Some
people swears it does though. But I haven't seen it for about 15 years now.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Hello,

Can I safely remove all the files/folders in C:\Documents and
Settings\"user"\Local Settings\Temp?


They can, and should be, deleted periodically.

The temp folder provides workspace for programs. Programs can create
temporary files there for their own temporary use. Each program should
delete all its temporary files when it closes, but for various reasons
it doesn't always happen (for example, if the program crashes, it
never gets to do this). That's why it's a good idea to periodically
clean out anything left there.

Also note that there are some program installations which work in two
steps. The first step concludes by writing temporary files and
rebooting. The second step starts automatically after rebooting and
needs to find those files there (and then deletes them when it's
done).

Other than doing it automatically when rebooting (that would interfere
with installations like the kind I described), it's always safe to
delete the contents of the temp folder. Because it's safe to delete
any temp files that aren't open and in use by an application, and
since Windows won't let you delete open files, it's safe to (try to)
delete them at any time. If any fail to delete because they're open,
they'll either be deleted automatically when the app using them
closes, or you'll get them the next time you delete manually.

Some people may suggest that you reboot before deleting anything, but
that's not necessary, for the reason described above (on the other
hand, it doesn't hurt to do it).


Any other location that could benefit from the same treatment, i.e.
C:\Documents and Settings\"user"\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files?


Temporary Internet files can be useful to you, since they can speed up
access to web sites which haven't changed. It isn't necessarily a good
idea to delete these.
 
T

Terry R.

The date and time was Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:10:06 AM, and on a
whim, Max Wachtel pounded out on the keyboard:
sorry-I didn't relize that you were using Outlook Express. It doesn't
handle newsgroup posting very well. I was trying to make you aware of
what a mess top-posting can make of a thread. Now on to the original
topic.

OE can handle posting fine. The PROBLEM is that by default it sets
itself to top posting. The other PROBLEM is that if a user has a sig
file, MS clients insert a delimiter incorrectly when replying above a
quote, which blows away everything below it. Using the add-on Quotefix
takes care of that and many other issues.
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

But users of MS clients rarely care about how it affects users of proper
newsreaders.

Of course you most likely know this because you pointed it out. This
info is mainly for those (like the OP) who may not know what is proper
and what is a bug.


Terry R.
 
T

Twayne

OOOOOhhhhhhh, what you said!! LOL

I'd tend to agree with you; I run it every few
months and chkdsk about monthly after a cleanup.
Works well. I think the funniest one I ever saw
was a 598 Meg registry - woof!

Twayne


My experience is different. Almost weekly I
service a
computer that has been in use for years with no
defragmentation of the drive. I see disks with
fragments
that extend to as much as 90% of the volume. I
generally
install JKDefrag or a trial of Perfect Disk or
Diskeeper
to get the volume back to a more "Performance"
level of
operation. The level of fragmentation depends on
usage,
but I'd recommend users do a defragment session
a little
more often than yearly.
BillW50 said:
In Eric typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:35:27 -0500:
I thought it was a good rule of thumb before
running a
message
In
Max Wachtel typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009
08:34:57 -0500:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:08:57 -0500, Eric, in
<after
much thought, came up with this jewel:

Using Internet Options seems to leave files
behind.
Ccleaner does a better job.


and your point is.......

[snip]

Ah Eric... You know after CCleaner gets done
with it,
those files are recreated once again, right?
So what
is the purpose of deleting them just briefly
for
anyway?

On paper it does. In reality, I don't see any
performance difference. In fact, I rarely
defrag and I
do so just to do it about once every two years.
Windows
XP is said to do a fairly good job about
writing files
sequentially anyway. And I believe this as
well. Since
defragging once every 2 two years, I rarely
even see
just a tiny bit of drive performance. Back in
the 80's when we had super slow MFM hard
drives.
Defragging made a huge difference! I don't see
this
anymore with IDE drives though. Some people
swears it
does though. But I haven't seen it for about 15
years
now. --
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
B

BillW50

In Ken Blake, MVP typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:24:32 -0700:
They can, and should be, deleted periodically.

The temp folder provides workspace for programs. Programs can create
temporary files there for their own temporary use. Each program should
delete all its temporary files when it closes, but for various reasons
it doesn't always happen (for example, if the program crashes, it
never gets to do this). That's why it's a good idea to periodically
clean out anything left there.

Also note that there are some program installations which work in two
steps. The first step concludes by writing temporary files and
rebooting. The second step starts automatically after rebooting and
needs to find those files there (and then deletes them when it's
done).

Other than doing it automatically when rebooting (that would interfere
with installations like the kind I described), it's always safe to
delete the contents of the temp folder. Because it's safe to delete
any temp files that aren't open and in use by an application, and
since Windows won't let you delete open files, it's safe to (try to)
delete them at any time. If any fail to delete because they're open,
they'll either be deleted automatically when the app using them
closes, or you'll get them the next time you delete manually.

Some people may suggest that you reboot before deleting anything, but
that's not necessary, for the reason described above (on the other
hand, it doesn't hurt to do it).

[...]

Well I know of one product at least that if deleted from the Temp folder
will not allow you to uninstall it. As I used PCcillin 98, 2000, and 2002.
And one or more of these versions placed the uninstall information (setup
and remove) in the temp folder. I've never found any other program that
cared if you cleaned out your temp folder or not.

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
B

BillW50

In R. McCarty typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:31:59 -0500:
My experience is different. Almost weekly I service a computer that
has been in use for years with no defragmentation of the drive. I see
disks with fragments that extend to as much as 90% of the volume. I
generally install JKDefrag or a trial of Perfect Disk or Diskeeper to
get the volume back to a more "Performance" level of operation. The
level of fragmentation depends on usage, but I'd recommend users do
a defragment session a little more often than yearly.

BillW50 said:
In Eric typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:35:27 -0500:
I thought it was a good rule of thumb before running a defrag...


In Max Wachtel typed on Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:57 -0500:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:08:57 -0500, Eric, in
<after much thought,
came up with this jewel:

Using Internet Options seems to leave files behind. Ccleaner
does a better job.


and your point is.......

[snip]

Ah Eric... You know after CCleaner gets done with it, those files
are recreated once again, right? So what is the purpose of
deleting them just briefly for anyway?

On paper it does. In reality, I don't see any performance
difference. In fact, I rarely defrag and I do so just to do it about
once every two years. Windows XP is said to do a fairly good job
about writing files sequentially anyway. And I believe this as well.
Since defragging once every 2 two years, I rarely even see just a
tiny bit of drive performance. Back in the 80's when we had super slow
MFM hard drives. Defragging
made a huge difference! I don't see this anymore with IDE drives
though. Some people swears it does though. But I haven't seen it for
about 15 years now.

Well 90% sounds like they didn't have a lot of free space on the drive so
Windows can't write sequentially. I just defrag this hard drive and it was
40% fragmented (over about 6 months of not). And I see no performance
difference whatsoever.

The only thing I can think of why I never see any performace gains with IDE
drives is perhaps bus speeds are so low that the hard drive can read faster
than what it can send out on the bus (even if badly fragmented). Otherwise
how do you explain no performance gains?

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Well I know of one product at least that if deleted from the Temp folder
will not allow you to uninstall it. As I used PCcillin 98, 2000, and 2002.
And one or more of these versions placed the uninstall information (setup
and remove) in the temp folder. I've never found any other program that
cared if you cleaned out your temp folder or not.


If that's what they do, they are violating a well-established Windows
standard. As far as I'm concerned, if that's what they do, they
shouldn't be trusted not to violate other standards too, and I would
recommend against using any of their products.
 
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BillW50

In Ken Blake, MVP typed on Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:40:35 -0700:
If that's what they do, they are violating a well-established Windows
standard. As far as I'm concerned, if that's what they do, they
shouldn't be trusted not to violate other standards too, and I would
recommend against using any of their products.

I agree Ken. I don't know if they continue this practice today, but I quit
using PCcillin after I discovered this back in 2002/2003. Seems like to me
that many software developers don't mind burning bridges as they go, oddly
enough. :(

--
Bill
2 Gateway MX6124 - Windows XP SP2
3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
2 Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 1GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows XP SP2 ~ Xandros Linux - Puppy - Ubuntu
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

In Ken Blake, MVP typed on Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:40:35 -0700:

I agree Ken. I don't know if they continue this practice today, but I quit
using PCcillin after I discovered this back in 2002/2003. Seems like to me
that many software developers don't mind burning bridges as they go, oddly
enough. :(


Great! Glad to hear that we agree.
 
P

Phisherman

I have felt safe deleting anything with a tmp extension or any folder
named "temp." I have a temp folder on my desktop that I use for
temporary (1 day or less) storage. A programmer that names a file
"tmp" ot "temp" that is critical to protect is not a good programmer.
 

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