Clean Install From Express Upgrade Disc

[Dell Boy]

Hi,

I'm intending to do a clean install of Windows Home Premium from an Express
Upgrade disk and wondered if anyone has done this before and can give me some
tips.

I've researched on the web and it looks as if when carrying out a clean
install from an upgrade disc you have to install the upgrade then upgrade the
upgrade. I therefore intend to do the following:

1. Boot to the upgrade disc, reformat C: and load the upgrade.
2. Install the chipset.
3. Put the upgrade disc in and upgrade the upgrade.
4. Load chipset, drivers, etc.

Thanks.

 

[David B.]

What exactly does #2 mean, install what chipset?

 

[Dell Boy]

Hi David, it means install the Intel chipset for the motherboard.

 

[Richard Urban]

You "do" mean the chipset drivers - of course!

The chipset is permanently attached to the motherboard and you have nothing
to install in that respect.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

 

[Dell Boy]

You're quite right Richard, I'm getting sloppy in my old age!

 

[David B.]

Ahh, there's really no need to do that before installing the final "upgrade"
install.

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

To use the Express Upgrade, boot into Windows, insert your Windows Express
Upgrade DVD and follow the instructions on screen for upgrading. There
should not be a need to a clean install if your running Windows XP x86.

 

[Dell Boy]

With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine. I've seen several upgrades
done by putting the disk in and the machine is a mess afterwards. Vista just
doesn't like Windows XP drivers (i.e. printer, wireless USB adapter, etc).

 

[Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]]

No problem at all, but your post insinuates that the only possible way to
move to Windows Vista is to do a clean install only, but this is not the
case.

 

[Mick Murphy]

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/68767-clean-install-upgrade-vista.html

Have a read of Shaun's workaround for it.

Take NO notice of that Andre! He is a drunkard.

 

[Mick Murphy]

His post does NOT insinuate that at all.

Give up the POT and RUM!

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:14 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell

With respect Andre, my experience tells me that clean installing is the only
way to upgrade and end up with a stable machine.

My experience is the exact opposite. In the old days of Windows 9x,
that was very often true, but these days, since Windows XP, the new
version replaces almost everything anyway, and usually works very
well.

The machine I am using at the moment is running Vista Ultimate. It was
upgraded from Windows XP Professional in November of 2006, when Vista
first went RTM, and it's been completely stable ever since.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and
reinstall cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need
to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to
upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden
power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of
everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and
anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens.

The one time when an upgrade is least likely to produce stable results
is when you are having problems to begin with. People will sometimes
do an upgrade on a problem-ridden machine, perhaps one infected with
malware, in the vain hope that the upgrade will solve their problems.
In fact the opposite is true, and in upgrade in those circumstances is
likely to exacerbate the problems. My view is that most of the bum rap
that upgrades get results from upgrades that are done in that
circumstance.

 

[Dell Boy]

Ken,

I respect your reply but I'm sticking to my original response. As a mobile
IT Technician the majority of the bad upgrades that I've seen have been
caused by conflicts between the Vista operating system and XP drivers and/or
software. I've also lost count of the number of new machines I've had to
reset to factory settings and download & install Vista drivers becasue the
owner has installed their XP drivers on the machine and rendered it
slow/unstable.

This job is for a client and he isn't going to want to pay for me to do the
job twice so I intend to do it in the manner I believe has the best chance of
success.

Oh and if there are any Microsoft knockers reading this please don't think
I'm one of you. Vista is the best version of Windows yet.

 

[Dell Boy]

Mick, Many thanks for your input and the link, much appreciated.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:22:01 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell

Ken,

I respect your reply but I'm sticking to my original response.

That's certainly your prerogative. People often disagree in these
newsgroups. As often happens, anyone reading here gets to see opposing
points of view, and has to make his own choices of what to believe.

As a mobile
IT Technician the majority of the bad upgrades that I've seen have been
caused by conflicts between the Vista operating system and XP drivers and/or
software. I've also lost count of the number of new machines I've had to
reset to factory settings and download & install Vista drivers becasue the
owner has installed their XP drivers on the machine and rendered it
slow/unstable.

This job is for a client and he isn't going to want to pay for me to do the
job twice so I intend to do it in the manner I believe has the best chance of
success.

That's an important point, and somewhat changes the issue in my view.
The best choice of what you for pay to have done for you isn't always
the best choice when doing it yourself.

 

[MICHAEL]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:14 -0800, Dell Boy <Dell



My experience is the exact opposite. In the old days of Windows 9x,
that was very often true, but these days, since Windows XP, the new
version replaces almost everything anyway, and usually works very
well.

Vista *does* replace *everything*. Vista's install is different than
all other prior Windows' installs. The upgrade install takes inventory
of your machine and then saves the stuff that can be transferred.
Moves that stuff aside. Then it puts down a brand new image.
After the new image is in place, it imports the saved stuff back.
The problem with upgrade installs arise from programs that are
put back that really aren't compatible with Vista and should have
been installed fresh or not at all. Vista's setup is supposed to catch
the things that aren't compatible and move that stuff to the folder
Windows.old. But, it certainly isn't perfect.

If you do an upgrade install, you should always uninstall any type of
security software and do some basic disk cleanup.

I've tested doing several upgrade installs and they all went fine.
However, I still suggest to do a clean install. It just eliminates many
maybes and whatifs, and it is also much faster to install.


-Michael

 

[David Shen [MSFT]]

Hello Dell Boy,

Thank you for using newsgroup.

According your description, the issue seems to have been resolved.

As you said, some hardware drive of Windows XP may not compatible with
Windows Vista, so clean install is a better option. Thanks Mick for
knowledge sharing.

Reference:
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How to install Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918884

If you have any other question, please feel free to post here. Hope you
enjoy Windows Vista.

Thanks for your time.

David Shen
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Microsoft Global Technology Support Center