CHM of Pricelessware, here

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omega

I've updated both files. Included an about page. It's linked from the
opening page, as well as from an "About" button on the HH toolbar.
Mirror date is provided.

Also, I went ahead and hyperlinked www.pricelessware.org from that page.
If online, one could then have the option to proceed to the living pages
of Pricelessware from within the HH viewer (*).


--
Karen S.



* HH.exe is kinda like the mentally-incompetent nephew of iexplore.exe
(the uncle no genius in the first place); it gets very confused over
distinctions between the external and internal realms. Yet I consider
an environment like Pricelessware.org safe and benign enough for it to
roam there there without concern....
 
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omega

Bjorn Simonsen said:
Which tool(s) did you use?

How I wish that I could preserve my dignity and be able to state:
"I used HHW directly, and a text editor, with no softy front-end."
Yet the truth is that I cheated...

I /have/ used HHW directly a decent number of times for the simple
task of recompiling third-party CHMs (they almost always include the
TOC (.hhc) files). And I've occasionally worked with it directly for
quick\casual assemble of small web page sets for my personal reading.

Yet when it comes to certain things, one good example is that task of
HLP to CHM conversions (the rebuild part, with TOC need), sometimes it
then just stares at me blankly, motionless.

So recently, I made a deal with myself. That I would permit myself the
60 day eval period with FAR, as training wheels. (WYSIWYG environment
and intuitive features.) Then after that, off the training wheels, give
a sincere run with HHW face-to-face, and assess at that point whether it
would be enough to meet my needs, alone, without FAR to step in.

As to these particular CHMs, well, uhm, I indulged in $FAR. Guilty. :<
I have found <http://abeetech.com/chmmakerfree/> quite useful my
self for when I simply want to combine/merge a few saved web pages
(w/images if so) into a single chm for easy offline reading.

While I've found a pretty decent group of DEcompilers -- I only remember
finding two freeware CHM compilers. They were both lame: Epub and Web2hh.

I'm fairly sure I've never tried ChmMakerFree. I'm curious to take a look.

Unfortunately, it's being most evasive. When I first saw your message, I
went to get it, but the download link 404'd. I tried a number of guesses on
the path to the download, but no luck. Then tonight, it's the whole domain
now playing hide-and-seek ("cannot find server"). I think maybe I should
wait a few days, try the site again next week, in case it's come forth...
 
D

dszady

Bon! I much appreciate your posting.


I'm not sure what to make of Port5's behavior today. (It also took me
about 30 attempts before they'd even let me get a full file uploaded).
I don't know if it's usual or not for them, to crumble into uselessness
like that. :(

Usual for them.
Also I have the exact same pages at that site as I do to the one listed
below and some don't come up when I want them to. Also FTPing is slow-mo
with a disconnect and reconnect for every action. When you try to delete a
page on their site It looks like it is gone. But when you upload a newer
one of the same name the "old" one is still there.
But it's free to struggle with. :)
 
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omega

dszady said:
Usual for them.
Also I have the exact same pages at that site as I do to the one listed
below and some don't come up when I want them to.

Hiya, dszady! Thank you, this is information I needed.
Also FTPing is slow-mo with a disconnect and reconnect for every action.

On that, I didn't know it was them for sure, until you said this (was
writing it off to problem at my end, that I am often connected in some
wretched phone-line situations).
When you try to delete a page on their site It looks like it is gone.
But when you upload a newer one of the same name the "old" one is still
there.

Eek. Now that I don't need. Today I had enough confusion, when not
understanding something-or-other about the LeechFTP client, with it
ceasing to show certain remote directories (refresh, list, close &
restart - none of the more obvious things making a difference). If
a server starts playing tricks on my eyes, as well, that's too much
tangle for me.
But it's free to struggle with. :)

Important point. Further, such a rarity: completely free from any ads.
I'll still consider it okay as a substitute for putting something in
alt.binaries.freeware... but will now know not to get into any serious
dependency on it.
 
R

Roger Johansson

omega said:
Important point. Further, such a rarity: completely free from any ads.
I'll still consider it okay as a substitute for putting something in
alt.binaries.freeware... but will now know not to get into any serious
dependency on it.

I found a free webhost which seems nice.

http://www.mher.org/

At the bottom of the page, free webhosting.
Free from ads.
http://www.armservers.com/cgi-bin/create_user.cgi

Disadvantages: No ftp upload, only web interface upload.
An account here needs some taking care of to avoid it being deleted,
filling in a message in the guest book, sending an email to indicate you
want to keep the account, etc.

More about the maintenance on this page:
http://armservers.com/
 
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omega

ms said:
Now that I've seen it, thanks again. the chm file makes it visually very
easy to access.

Mike, good to hear.

The HH viewer has my absolute favorite design element to be found in
software: a tree panel. (Oh, and then when I can have a tree panel,
and document tabs, plus ideally a pane for links, all together, I'm
pretty darn happy.)
BTW, with all those programs you've tried, might you have any ideas on
my post about a disk list, etc.?

It's been some while since I've used disk listers. (Other than those
specifically geared towards doing info (version, etc) on PEs.) The last
time I even took a brief look-over was for the PL vote, when trying to
narrow down the number of close contestants. So it's doubtful I can
provide you a good answer. But how about going ahead anyway, and giving
me the message-id of your post?
 
S

Susan Bugher

omega said:
I've updated both files. Included an about page. It's linked from the
opening page, as well as from an "About" button on the HH toolbar.
Mirror date is provided.

Also, I went ahead and hyperlinked www.pricelessware.org from that page.
If online, one could then have the option to proceed to the living pages
of Pricelessware from within the HH viewer (*).

I grabbed both files and uploaded them. I will email Genna to see if
this creates any problems. If not I'll revise the web pages to show the
links. The files are here:

http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004.chm
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL.chm

The notice you added looks good to me:

<q>
Archive of the Pricelessware Website © alt.comp.freeware
Created on 21 February, 2004
Visit online for current information and updated links:
http://www.pricelessware.org/
</q>

Susan
 
S

Steven Burn

Karen,
I meant to ask, which software are you using to create the .CHM
file's? (I really should create some help file's for my software..... the
problem is, I'm useless when it comes to help file's, lol)

--
Regards

Steven Burn
Ur I.T. Mate Group
www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

Disclaimer:
I know I'm probably wrong, I just like taking part ;o)
 
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omega

M

ms

omega said:
Mike, good to hear. snip

It's been some while since I've used disk listers. (Other than those
specifically geared towards doing info (version, etc) on PEs.) The last
time I even took a brief look-over was for the PL vote, when trying to
narrow down the number of close contestants. So it's doubtful I can
provide you a good answer. But how about going ahead anyway, and giving
me the message-id of your post?
Thanks, Karen, here it is:
----
I'm saving data to CD's.
1. I have to put no more than 640 MB of stuff in a folder.
Is there a executable program to set the limits, where I can select
a bunch of files, and it only copiess the first 640 MB?

2. I want a concise list of what's in a folder or on a recorded CD. The
final text list should show folders and files, with details. The best
display I've found so far is:
Directory Lister Version 0.6 295 KB folder, executable
http://freeware.prv.pl
To get the best display, I save to htm file, convert to text.

What I want is a list showing:
folder names/ subfolders
files- name, ext., date last modified

For each of these situations, what are some executable program
possibilities for this?
 
C

colinco

Unfortunately, it's being most evasive. When I first saw your message, I
went to get it, but the download link 404'd. I tried a number of guesses on
the path to the download, but no luck. Then tonight, it's the whole domain
now playing hide-and-seek ("cannot find server"). I think maybe I should
wait a few days, try the site again next week, in case it's come forth...
The freeware version 1.6 seems AWOL, the pay version also stalls part
way. There are some mirrors of older free versions 1.4 or 1.5?
 
B

Bjorn Simonsen

omega wrote in said:
How I wish that I could preserve my dignity and be able to state:
"I used HHW directly, and a text editor, with no softy front-end."
Yet the truth is that I cheated...

What, you use HHW and a text editor? You're telling med you do not
write all your code with edlin after all?

Not to worry, not with me at least. Had to goggle to find out what HHW
stands for. Microsoft HTML Help Workshop (Htmlhelp.exe).
Actually had a copy in my archive, filed under MS GUI utils that may
come in handy one day. But never installed/used it so far, so maybe
not so stange I am not on a "first name basis" with it. :)
I /have/ used HHW directly a decent number of times for the simple
task of recompiling third-party CHMs (they almost always include the
TOC (.hhc) files). And I've occasionally worked with it directly for
quick\casual assemble of small web page sets for my personal reading.

Yet when it comes to certain things, one good example is that task of
HLP to CHM conversions (the rebuild part, with TOC need), sometimes it
then just stares at me blankly, motionless.

Thanks for the info, learning mode on :)
So recently, I made a deal with myself. That I would permit myself the
60 day eval period with FAR, as training wheels. [...]

Looks interesting <http://www.helpware.net/FAR/index.html>, but not
free as you mention. Lots of html-help info on that site I notice
While I've found a pretty decent group of DEcompilers -- I only remember
finding two freeware CHM compilers. They were both lame: Epub and Web2hh.

Taking notes, I havent played around with html-help related stuff,
except recent (point&click) use of said ChmMakerFree.
I'm fairly sure I've never tried ChmMakerFree. I'm curious to take a look.
Unfortunately, it's being most evasive. When I first saw your message, I
went to get it, but the download link 404'd. I tried a number of guesses on
the path to the download, but no luck. Then tonight, it's the whole domain
now playing hide-and-seek ("cannot find server"). I think maybe I should
wait a few days, try the site again next week, in case it's come forth...

Yes I notice the sites has gone missing. As you say - these things
happen - sometime a site will be taken down - for maintenance or what
ever - to surface again later. Other times they simply vanish.
Email me if you want it now :)

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
B

Bjorn Simonsen

mega wrote in said:
I've updated both files. Included an about page. It's linked from the
opening page, as well as from an "About" button on the HH toolbar.
Mirror date is provided.

Looking good Karen. Minor issue <Nitpicking mode on> :)

If you open the hmtl file windowed, the footer *may* not be visible,
depending the widow size of course. And if so I doubt anyone will
scroll down to browse the seemingly empty space below the ENTER link.
And the "About button...well "About" entries (in
menus/dialogs/buttons) are so common they are easy to overlook.
Thus: you might consider to make the footer a header instead. That way
it should always be visible - no matter window size. Also, the footer
servers as a link to the About page. Nice, but it is hard to notice
that the footer actually serves as a link, unless you click or mouse
over it. Suggestion: Add some leading text to indicate a link is
present - like "Click here for more info!" - or
"Please read - click here"...
Also, I went ahead and hyperlinked www.pricelessware.org from that page.
If online, one could then have the option to proceed to the living pages
of Pricelessware from within the HH viewer (*).

Here is an idea to make thing simpler - all info visible when the user
opens the chm - no need to click about button/link. Create a new
framed opening page. Your "about" page on top, the original PL Enter
page below. Here is an example, created with Stones Webwriter (4)
(remove the # (inserted those in case server filters out html - don't
know if I needed to do that - or if filters only kicks in on headers).

# <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN">
# <html>
# <head>
# <title>[Pricelessware Website Archive]</title>
# <meta name="Generator" content="Stone's WebWriter 4">
#</head>
#<frameset frameborder="1" framespacing="5" border="5" rows="40%,*" cols="100%">
# <frame src="about.htm" name="about" scrolling="no" noresize>
# <frame src="enter.html" name="enter" scrolling="no" noresize>
#</frameset>
#
* HH.exe is kinda like the mentally-incompetent nephew of iexplore.exe
(the uncle no genius in the first place); it gets very confused over
distinctions between the external and internal realms. Yet I consider
an environment like Pricelessware.org safe and benign enough for it to
roam there there without concern....

Personally I have set up a filter rule for HH.EXE in my firewall, -
never allow! I've come a cross a few chm files in the past that would
link to external sites without making this clear. Also, sometimes
hh.exe tries to reach some ms activex site to download updates/codec
or whatever it thinks is required for displaying a given chm. The PL
site is safe, but it has many links to external sites..so maybe a
warning is in place (should be room for a short notice on the "about"
page)

Something like ( a bit long perhaps...but)

Notice <tt> when browsing this file - the Windows html-help
browser (hh.exe) may attempt to connect online, for example if
you click any of the external links. If you wish to prevent this,
temporarily disconnect your computer physically from your online
connection, or use a firewall or other means to deny online
access for hh.exe.</tt>

More spelling and grammatical errors to follow later. Until then...

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
 
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omega

Bjorn Simonsen said:
Looking good Karen. Minor issue <Nitpicking mode on> :)
[...]
Thank you, Bjorn. Interesting points. I'm going to mull over the concepts
for a day or so, then get back...
 
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omega

ms said:
I'm saving data to CD's.
1. I have to put no more than 640 MB of stuff in a folder.
Is there a executable program to set the limits, where I can select
a bunch of files, and it only copiess the first 640 MB?

I know you just said, "select a bunch of files." Yet I am wondering
if I can interpret this in a certain way, to fit it to the only solution
I am familiar with for this. My needed interpretation would be that you
do a path at a time. For instance, everthing under "D:\stuff\2003\."

I think you won't like the sound of my solution, a batch file. But really,
it's not so bad. You don't type at the DOS prompt. Instead you use a text
editor (like Win32pad) to load the batch file, and choose Execute from the
editor's menu when you're ready to have it run.

Below is a rough draft of how it would look.

---------------------------------------------------------------
xxcopy "d:\yoursource\" /h/e/q /aa
xxcopy "d:\yoursource\" "f:\1folder\" /i/e/h/r/ks/y /QBL:600m /m
pause
xxcopy "d:\yoursource\" "f:\2folder\" /i/s/h/r/ks/y /QBL:600m /m
pause
xxcopy "d:\yoursource\" "f:\3folder\" /i/s/h/r/ks/y /QBL:600m /m
pause
xxcopy "d:\yoursource\" "f:\4folder\" /i/s/h/r/ks/y /QBL:600m /m


REM Hit CONTROL-C in the DOS window at any time you want to abort
------------------------------------------------------------------

You would substitute "d:\yoursource\" with the directory you wanted copied.

You would subsitute "f\" with the area of your drive that can hold the
600mb. The reason I put a pause in there, in between each 600mb chunk,
it's because I remember you saying you had a small drive. So this allows
you to stop in between, and move the chunks off to CD.

What this is doing. The first line sets an archive bit (/aa) on everything
in your source folder. Then the lines after that clear the archive bit (/m)
each time a file is successfully copied. That way there is track of what
is copied and what is not in between the 600mb chunks.

The /QBL thing is what is setting the quota max for each step. (Re my
putting it at 600mb, that's counting in tens, and wasn't sure how you
were counting, and didn't want to do any arithmetic - someone else can.)

This file would be better with refinement by someone who knows XXCopy
better than I do. But as a rough draft, my testing showed it to function.
Once the file is confirmed, all you would do:

1. Install XXcoy and Win32pad.
2. Paste that file into Win32pad, save with a *.bat extension.
3. Replace the paths.
4. Hit execute.

But you can still get out of this, Mike. :) By saying that you are not
working with specifics path for what you want to copy, and instead need
to multi-select folders and files in explorer from random places, making
it inconvenient for you to enter all of them into text lines..

Or by someone coming to your rescue, and pointing out a small GUI tool that
fulfills this mission.

I don't doubt that GUI tools for this exist, since your request must be
reasonably common. It's just that I don't know of them. (Not to mention
I'm influenced by my interest in XXCopy's flexibility.)
 
B

Bjorn Simonsen

M

ms

Bjorn said:
omega wrote in <[email protected]>:

Nice Karen! Not that I have tested it, but looks good :)
Xxcopy - amazing program w/ overwhelmingly many options...


one of the suggestions in the original thread(*)
was: <http://www.wolfiesden.com/downloads/images/sizeem.asp>

(*)thread: <http://google.com/groups?&th=11bd6bd91b974ea1>

All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen

As I said in the original thread, sizeem does just what I want except I
asked for an executable, and this is an install, with no way to contact
the author at his site. I don't install much any more.

Mike Sa
 
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omega

Bjorn Simonsen said:

For the case of picking and choosing different folders and files,
that tool looks very convenient.

If doing some large amount of data on a few specific paths, though,
it'd be XXcopy I'd choose. Nice clean feel when it does the copying.
Also that security: XXcopy knows more about LFN+SFN than anyone.*



.. . .

(*Including Ghost: When using the Ghost Explorer program to extract
directories from an image file, it's only the SFN-LFN entires for files,
and not directory names, that are properly restored. Those directory names
which are originally all-caps, are extracted incorrectly to lowercase.
On FAT32 at least. Some day, I'm going to investigate the oddity, since
I didn't comprehend what was involved. Why filenames come out fine, but
that the all-caps in foldernames poses the problem. )
 
A

Achim Nolcken Lohse

Have run into a problem using PL.chm. When accessing the program home
sites using the the links in the chm file, I can't find any way to
save the displayed page, as there's no File menu with "save as".

Is there any simple solution?



Achim



axethetax
 

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