CHINA TIGHTENS WEB CONTROLS TO KNOCK OUT PROXIES, GOOGLE

[Daniel Mandic]

Those metaphors are flawed, to say the least. I don't care for the
pope much but that doesn't mean that any and every far-fetched
criticism of him is valid.

Papst Benedikt the 16th is O.K. Quite Left but O.K.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[ltlee1]

When the press is government controlled you don't expect to see truth,
so it's dog bites man. When the press claims to be free, and it's
really government controlled, it's man bites dog.

Dog bites man or man bites dog. Does it really matter?
The important question is whether "free press" really contributed to
make people better. Terabytes had been written on how "free press" is
great. However, I see no evidence to that effect.

The following is from an older book in which the author had to be
describing his observations 20 years ago. Yet his description is still
applicable today.

"Pressure from the political, economic, and idea markets combine and
collide to yield news that frustrates all sides. Elites face a
ceaseless threat of oversimplification and stereotype from opponents
taking advantage of the volatile combination of aggressive reporting
and uninformed public opinion. Under these conditions they have no
choice but to engage in news management. For their part, journalists
must endure the manipulative efforts of their sources while coping
with conflicting pressures to generate accountability, remain objec-
tive, and contribute to the bottom line of their employers. As a
result, journalists' sincere and energetic attempts to illuminate the
powerful
often yield coverage that serves the long-term interests of nobody:
neither the manipulators nor the media, and certainly not the general
public. No single rational force guides the media's focus and slant.
This threatening situation redoubles politicians' anxiety and deter-
mination to evade or manipulate reporters, which in turn dampens the
autonomy of the press and the public. As we have seen, increasing
economic competition offers little hope of escaping these dilemmas..."
(DEMOCRACY WITHOUT CITIZENS: Media and the decay of American politics
by Robert M. Entman, 1989)

 

[bmoore]

Terabytes had been written on how "free press" is great. However, I see no evidence to that effect.

How would you compare that to a heavily censored press that tries to
prevent the people from knowing about major news stories?

Yeah, we all know your tactic: try to claim that the stories aren't
newsworthy, even when they obviously are.

 

[bmoore]

(e-mail address removed) formuleerde de vraag :

mbl* wrote:
It's really not so funny! Freedom of speech plus Liberalism may yet
prove to be a curse to America and western civilizations. What is
freedom of speech or information if it is laced with misinformation and
propaganda? Do you think all the conspiracy theories, and propaganda
about terrorists, and hate and anger, helpful to unify the American
people, or has it in fact divided the American people? Is your blood
pressure normal or is it so high you are about to have a heart attack
with all the propaganda that is floating about? People love
sensationalism, and stimulation, and the more sinister, the more
newspapers sell. Can you tell what is fact and what is fiction these
days? Even the CIA and FBI were fooled on 9/11. Are you left or are you
right? Which is the honest and correct information? There are facts and
there are Conspiracy Theories, and there is propaganda and there is
stuff you find here, i.e. s***.

1. Special interest groups

"The ad campaign[against the Clintion health plan] was false, but it
was working. In fact, a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, published March
10 in an article titled "Many Don't Realize It's The Clinton Plan They
Like," show that when people were asked about our[Clinton's] health
plan, a majority oppose it. But when asked about what they wanted in a
health plan, the major provision that were actually in our [Clinton's]
plan were all supported by more than 60 percent of the people. The
article said, "When the group is read a description of the Clinton
bill without identifying it as the President's plan and of the four
other leading proposal in Congress, the Clinton plan is the first
choice of everyone in the room.

The poll authors, the Republican and one Democrat, are quoted as
saying, "The White House should find this both satisfying and
sobering. Satifying because the basic ideas which they have drawn up
are the right ideas in the view of many people. But sobering because
they clearly have communicated very little to the public and in the
that respect have ceded too much to the interest groups."
(MY LIFE by Bill Clintion, p.595. Square brackets mine.)

2. Besides outright lying, the media use exaggeration to boost their
sale.
Such exaggerations are often harzardous to the health according to
Richard Restak

"But the media is probably the greatest contributor to
anxiety to our culture. In his book, "THE CULTURE OF FEAR",
sociologist Barry Glassner observed that "any analysis of
the culture of fear that ignores the media would be patantly
incomplete, and of the several institutions culpable of creating
and sustaining fears the news media are arguable first among
equals." And while Glassner wrote about "fear", his
observations are actually more descriptive of anxiety.

Certainly, on our local and national news programs, crime and
disasters make up by far the greatest portion of the broadcast.
Nor are the newsmagazines any different. They adhere to the
operating principle that we live in the midst of untold number
of threats to our physical and mental health. As Glassner put
it, "the guiding principle seems to be that no danger is too
small to magnify into a national nightmare."

"In short, in order to sell newspapers, boost TV ratings, or
peddle commercial products, it helps to create anxiety in readers,
viewers, and purchasers."

"Like an epidemic, an infodemic results in widespread dissemination;
but with an infodemic, the "organism" misinformation---isolated
facts mixed with speculation and rumor anxious relayed worldwide via
the instant communication made possible by the internet, laptops,
wireless, pages, faxes, and email."

(Quoted from "POE'S HEART AND THE MOUNTIAN CLIMBER" by Richard Restak)

I wonder what these critics of the Western press would say about the
Chinese press. Something tells me they wouldn't be praising it. And of
course, one doesn't see a lot of criticism of the Chinese press from
inside China. But that's not because they like the Chinese press so
much, it's because they don't want to be throw in jail without a trial.
Something LT doesn't have to worry about as he reads the free press for
the purpose of bashing the free press, from his comfortable chair.

You just don't give up, do you LT? You post megabytes of info regarding
imperfections of the Western press, yet refuse to say one freakin' word
about the way the press works in China. I think it's funny that you
spend so much time reading and bashing the Western press, but you're
laughably blind concerning the deceit and propaganda spewed on daily
basis by the Chinese government's press. It's a double standard of the
highest proportions.

(e-mail address removed) wrote:
I love it!

FREE SPEECH FOR CHINA - and REMOVE IT IN AMERICA

Force China to have what they dont want. Then, take it away from
Americans, because information the cattle are not supposed to have is
too dangerous

Hahahahahaha

There's difference between free speech and free ware. ploink in
alt.comp.freeware.

OK, sorry about the crossposting. Obviously a troublemaker included it
in the newsgroups line to begin with. I will try to edit in the future.

 

[Al Klein]

Dog bites man or man bites dog. Does it really matter?
The important question is whether "free press" really contributed to
make people better. Terabytes had been written on how "free press" is
great. However, I see no evidence to that effect.

Read the question I answered. Read my answer. What has your reply to
do with either one? I wasn't addressing whether the press is free, or
whether a free press or a not free press is a good or bad thing - just
why it's not surprising that a government run press isn't free.

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

Yes, who can win *against* natural law at a sustained level!
It's better to be with nature than against it.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:


Yeah, that's convincing...

Yes, it is.

you know nothing of his formative years. His
father resisted the Nazis. But inconvenient facts don't matter when
there's an agenda at hand.

Evidently, you missed out on Psychology 101. I suggest you study it --
it's not too late.

To repeat: I don't like many things about the current pope, but this
"Nazi" claim is bogus.

No, it's not. Vatican's actions, both current and in the past, confirm
the Nazi character of the pope and his gang of thugs.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

The Nazi character of the pope has not left him, no matter what the
propaganda coming out of the Vatican says.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

Amazing: even the ChiComs have at least one better trait than the Nazi pope.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

A New York Times researcher in China has been locked up without trial
for 22 months without a trial. His crime is unclear. He has been away
from his family for almost 2 years. Yet all LT can do is chant weird
slogans like "Free speech in America is hazardous to your health."

In his zeal to lie and deny any criticisms of the Chinese government,
this PRC citizen and longtime American resident simply refuses to care
about the suffering of real people at the hands of the Chinese
government. Oh, he feigns great concern for those who suffer at the
hand sof the US government, but he doesn't care about them either. His
agenda is transparent.

Is the ChiCom a freeware author? If so, which program/s has
he or she written?

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

Maybe to you...

To you too if you study the topic and current events.

Your agenda is hating the pope, and you don't care how deceitful you
are about it.

Hate is a Christian-Islamic-commie motivation; it is interesting
that you think in its terms. Were you raised in a Muslim or Christian home?

Vatican's actions are definitely questionable, . . .

To say the least, yes.

but equating the pope
with Adolph Hitler is lame and unoriginal.

Originality is not a requirement for observation and analysis.
You can reach the same conclusion too if you study the topic and
current events.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

What's the point of that nonsequitur? You are the crossposting troll
who included alt.comp.freeware in the newsgroups line.

One notes that "(e-mail address removed)" has avoided answering the question.
Original thread distribution restored.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[harmony]

it's typical of vatican which always gets in touch with reality, if at all
it does, dragging and screaming.
that's how it discovered that earth is not flat. kirastanism in the hands
of vatican is like nazism in the hands of hitler.

 

[Al Klein]

tumingin wrote:


OK, sorry about the crossposting. Obviously a troublemaker included it
in the newsgroups line to begin with. I will try to edit in the future.

Next lesson: post trimming.

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

Well said!

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

Heo Jai. In usenet is everyone me and you. There is no authority, at
least not in unmoderated groups like ACF. So I took the rule and wrote
'me'. . . .

Okay, you are speaking for yourself and represent yourself here. And
you are right: there's no authority here.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Dr. Jai Maharaj]

He was trained to be a Nazi when he was young, during his formative years.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

 

[Daniel Mandic]

He was trained to be a Nazi when he was young, during his formative
years.

Jai

He was educated conservative. If conservative is now Nazi then I don't
know....


Please trim your postings!!!! If you are so long in Usenet then you
should know that many usenet enthusiasts only have analog modem and so
long unnecessary replies cannot show your competence, you write about.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[bmoore]

Next lesson: post trimming.

My newsreader compresses previous posters' words so I don't have to
look at them but they are there if I choose to. I think this is a good
thing, but if your newsreader doesn't do that I can see how it could
make it cumbersome.

 

[Al Klein]

Al Klein wrote:

My newsreader compresses previous posters' words so I don't have to
look at them but they are there if I choose to. I think this is a good
thing, but if your newsreader doesn't do that

It has nothing to do with my newsreader and everything to do with
common decency, tradition and the way Usenet works.