Cheap controller-based PCI modem

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Man-wai Chang ToDie

Could someone recommend one? Most PCI modems are WinModems...

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Frank McCoy

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Man-wai Chang ToDie
Could someone recommend one? Most PCI modems are WinModems...

Some of the US Robotics models or the Sound Blaster models used to be.
I haven't looked in quite a while.

All of *mine* are; but I doubt they're being sold any more.
Too old. More than three years.
Wouldn't have a WinModem.
 
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Paul

Frank said:
In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Man-wai Chang ToDie


Some of the US Robotics models or the Sound Blaster models used to be.
I haven't looked in quite a while.

All of *mine* are; but I doubt they're being sold any more.
Too old. More than three years.
Wouldn't have a WinModem.

There is an example of a US Robotics one here. 5610C.
I'm really surprised, when a controller based one is $80
and a Winmodem is $10, that they can still afford to make
these. You'd think the majority of customers would be
influenced by the price.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2823946&CatId=563

Another way to get a controller based product, is to buy
an external with an RS-232 interface. Only problem with some
of these products, is the manufacturing quality isn't there
any more.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104135

Paul
 
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Man-wai Chang ToDie

Another way to get a controller based product, is to buy
an external with an RS-232 interface. Only problem with some
of these products, is the manufacturing quality isn't there
any more.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104135

Serial port is an endangered port.... :)

Are those USB modem controller-based?

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Frank McCoy

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Paul said:
There is an example of a US Robotics one here. 5610C.
I'm really surprised, when a controller based one is $80
and a Winmodem is $10, that they can still afford to make
these. You'd think the majority of customers would be
influenced by the price.
Many are. They think Higher-priced == better; whether true or not.
Usually you can figure out if it's got its own internal processor from
the specifications on the box. Often the specs on the net don't tell.

I'd be stumped though to try and tell somebody not very literate in
these things what to look for ON said box.

Generally though: If it says "WinModem", you don't want it.
 
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John Doe

Frank McCoy said:
....

Usually you can figure out if it's got its own internal processor
from the specifications on the box. Often the specs on the net
don't tell.

Yup, I had a hard time finding one the last time. I guess they
figure nobody knows better so it's not worth touting the fact. You
might need to skillfully separate reams of common buzzwords from a
description that touts its abilities for gaming and stuff.
I'd be stumped though to try and tell somebody not very literate
in these things what to look for ON said box.

Generally though: If it says "WinModem", you don't want it.

At the same time, if you look for "WinModem", you might do a lot of
wishful thinking on all of the garbage that doesn't say it. They
don't want you to know. Naturally they give you paragraphs of
trivial information. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

If Newegg sells them, go there and look at the reviews, some of the
authors will tell you. They should list "controller-based" as a
specification, but apparently they don't. Even searching there for
controller-based modem is like pulling teeth, so you know finding
one won't be easy. Doing a search, they list three external modems.
One doesn't work with Windows, the other one is a PC card, and the
third from Diamond installation routine gives you a runtime error
even though apparently the modem works okay.

I still have a controller-based dial up modem as a backup. It's PCI
from USRobotics/3Com/whatever (maybe called an Internet Gaming
Modem). Be sure to use a telephone line surge suppressor in front of
your dial up modem. Finding/identifying updated software was a pain
too, I distinctly remember that part of the ordeal.

Good luck.
 
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Franc Zabkar

Serial port is an endangered port.... :)

Are those USB modem controller-based?

They are usually controllerless, but some are "soft", ie no DSP.

- Franc Zabkar
 
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Franc Zabkar

Could someone recommend one? Most PCI modems are WinModems...

I don't know about cheap, but look for USR5610 or Multitech ZPX
(Lucent/Agere Venus chipset). I think there may also be modems based
on Conexant's ACF3 chipset.

To identify an internal modem as "hard" or "soft", look for two chips,
a PROM, EPROM, or flash EEPROM (part number 27xxxx or 28xxxx or
29xxxx) and a static RAM (eg 61256, 62256). The former contains the
modem firmware while the SRAM is required to buffer data in error
correction and data compression modes.

If either of these chips are missing, then you probably do not have a
"hard" modem. Be aware that the SRAM is sometimes hidden under the
flash EEPROM chip.

- Franc Zabkar
 
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Franc Zabkar

I still have a controller-based dial up modem as a backup. It's PCI
from USRobotics/3Com/whatever (maybe called an Internet Gaming
Modem). Be sure to use a telephone line surge suppressor in front of
your dial up modem. Finding/identifying updated software was a pain
too, I distinctly remember that part of the ordeal.

I'm not sure what you mean by updated "software", but if you are
referring to drivers, then a controller based PCI modem doesn't need
any, at least not for any PnP aware OS. In Windows all you need is an
INF file that contains the modem's AT commands and responses.

If OTOH you are referring to "firmware", then I believe this should be
available from USR's ftp site, ftp://ftp.usr.com/

FWIW, this may be what you were looking for:
ftp://ftp.usr.com/3Com%20Gaming%20Modem/

- Franc Zabkar
 
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Jon Danniken

Paul said:
There is an example of a US Robotics one here. 5610C.
I'm really surprised, when a controller based one is $80
and a Winmodem is $10, that they can still afford to make
these. You'd think the majority of customers would be
influenced by the price.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/xxxxxxxxxxx

Sorry, but I got burned by Tiger Direct a month ago in a "bait and switch"
scam they had running on a motherboard. Order one (with four RAM slots),
get another one (with only two RAM slots).

I had heard of them doing such things in the past, but I thought they had
changed. They haven't. Don't trust Tiger Direct. .

Jon
 
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DevilsPGD

In message said:
There is an example of a US Robotics one here. 5610C.
I'm really surprised, when a controller based one is $80
and a Winmodem is $10, that they can still afford to make
these.

The price gap is *why* they can afford to make both. The per-unit
profit margin on the $80 modem is probably more then $10, which
justifies their existence even though the volume isn't there.

Those that need one tend to be business users, and are willing to pay a
premium for quality hardware.
 
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DevilsPGD

In message <[email protected]> "Jon Danniken"
Sorry, but I got burned by Tiger Direct a month ago in a "bait and switch"
scam they had running on a motherboard. Order one (with four RAM slots),
get another one (with only two RAM slots).

I had heard of them doing such things in the past, but I thought they had
changed. They haven't. Don't trust Tiger Direct. .

So return it, and if TigerDirect doesn't offer to refund everything
including shipping both ways, you have a valid credit card chargeback
(on the grounds that you have not received the product you ordered)
 
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John Doe

Franc Zabkar said:
I'm not sure what you mean by updated "software",

Software for the modem. They included a utility that would adjust
for speed versus latency.
but if you are referring to drivers,
If OTOH you are referring to "firmware",

Many if not most hardware devices come with software in addition to
drivers, the Internet Gaming Modem for example.
FWIW, this may be what you were looking for:
ftp://ftp.usr.com/3Com%20Gaming%20Modem/

Could be part of it, but if I recall correctly U.S. Robotics had a
Gaming Modem before an Internet Gaming Modem.

Are you a big fan of U.S. Robotics/3Com?
 
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John Doe

To identify an internal modem as "hard" or "soft", look for two
chips, a PROM, EPROM, or flash EEPROM (part number 27xxxx or
28xxxx or 29xxxx) and a static RAM (eg 61256, 62256).

How is someone supposed to do that when they're shopping for a
modem?
 
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Franc Zabkar

Software for the modem. They included a utility that would adjust
for speed versus latency.

I suspect that it probably disabled data compression and error
correction, and maybe tweaked some S-registers.
Many if not most hardware devices come with software in addition to
drivers, the Internet Gaming Modem for example.

My Rockwelloids were often bundled with applications such as Bitfax,
SuperVoice, Quicklink, or Winfax, none of which were required for
Dial-Up Networking.

Yours appears to have some software associated with DOS box support,
and something called GMtray which places an icon in the systray (?).
Could be part of it, but if I recall correctly U.S. Robotics had a
Gaming Modem before an Internet Gaming Modem.

Are you a big fan of U.S. Robotics/3Com?

I've always had Rockwell/Conexant modems. USR/3Com modems had nice
features but were too highly priced for my liking. In any case they
don't appear to have been very popular in Australia.

- Franc Zabkar
 
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Franc Zabkar

How is someone supposed to do that when they're shopping for a
modem?

Here in Australia the vendors usually let you open the box. Otherwise
you may be able to discern this info by looking at the photo on the
outside.

A description on its own is sometimes misleading. For example, I've
seen some modems described as "hardware" when in fact they were
controllerless. I've also been stung by Rockwell's RPI modems (yuck)
which were actually controller based modems but without RAM. This
meant that error correction and data compression functions were
offloaded to RPI-aware software.

- Franc Zabkar
 
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Jon Danniken

DevilsPGD said:
So return it, and if TigerDirect doesn't offer to refund everything
including shipping both ways, you have a valid credit card chargeback
(on the grounds that you have not received the product you ordered)

Not worth my time, it was enough of a hassle to get them to refund the cost
of the board itself. I'll take the $20.00 loss in shipping as a lesson to
never do business with those scammers again.

Jon
 
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Bob Day

Man-wai Chang ToDie said:
Could someone recommend one? Most PCI modems are WinModems...

I've had good luck with both of these:
Zoom 3025C
AOpen FM56-PX
Both are PCI; neither are Winmodems (or any other
version of soft modem), and they are both full duplex voice
modems.
As far as I know, they are still available.

I'd avoid the MultiTech MT5634ZPX-PCI-U -- I went through
two of these. The voice over the phone was very "scratchy"
on both.

--Bob Day
http://bobday.vze.com
 
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John Doe

Franc Zabkar said:
Yours appears to have some software associated with DOS box support,
and something called GMtray which places an icon in the systray (?).

Yes, and I lost the CD and/or the tray icon did not work properly in my
next version of Windows (or something like that).
 

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