Catalysy 3.10 drivers under win98se for 9800xt.

[J.Clarke]

Windows 98 will not support more than 512MB Ram. Either remove the
extra ram or try a diffent OS.

Common misconception. You need to do some tweaks--search the Microsoft
knowledgebase with Windows 98 as the product and "512MB" as keyword and
you should hit the article.

 

[Brad]

Thats weird. It says toronto and even has sympatico.ca on the first line
when i look.
Path: uni-berlin.de!hse-toronto-ppp308693.sympatico.CA

 

[Darthy]

Windows98 has a problem with more that 500mb of memory, but their are OS
settings which control this. You'd have to install with less than 500mb in
the first place.

As much as I *support* Win98 over WinXP for various reasons - Going
over 512mb on Win98 is a waste. Adding more memory and those "fixes"
is pretty much useless. Its kind of like turning off the memory.

 

[Darthy]

I paid $200 for full retail version of Pro, in June of 2002. Here is an OEM
version, for $139:

So what? The standard selling retail price of XP-Pro is $299, you can
still buy it at that price at more places than at $130~200. Its still
a rip-off.

AND, there's absolutely nothing wrong with upgrade versions. The only
difference is having to verify that the person owned a qualifying product
for the upgrade. Clean install can be done.

I know that... been doing that since the Win98 days. Its just the
issue of the whole OEM<>Upgrad<>Retail bullshit. Go to the shelf,
pay $30~60 for a OS that JUST is. It can be used in Upgrade, clean
install or new PC - no stupid "keys" to mess with. Same with Apple
OS.

 

[John Russell]

As much as I *support* Win98 over WinXP for various reasons - Going
over 512mb on Win98 is a waste. Adding more memory and those "fixes"
is pretty much useless. Its kind of like turning off the memory.


--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!

In my first response I was advocating dual booting with XP, which can use
all that memory.

 

[Strontium]

-
Darthy stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

So what? The standard selling retail price of XP-Pro is $299, you can
still buy it at that price at more places than at $130~200. Its still
a rip-off.

Right. So what? Why anyone would pay $300, when they can spend $150, is
beyond me. I, sure as Hell, don't think the 'support' included in the
Retail version is worth $170!

I know that... been doing that since the Win98 days. Its just the
issue of the whole OEM<>Upgrad<>Retail bullshit.

Sounds like a personal problem.

 

[Brad]

Even if you buy the OEM version you still need to buy a piece of hardware to
get it

 

[Strontium]

-
Brad stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:

Even if you buy the OEM version you still need to buy a piece of
hardware to get it

Guess that depends, on where you get it. Locally, I don't have to. Online,
yes. $5 fan will do the job.

<snip>

 

[Wblane]

Um, I've got two 98SE boxes w/more than 500MB (1GB and 768MB) of memory and no
more problems than the usual shit w/Microshaft OS's. I guess you're wrong on
this one champ.

Windows98 has a problem with more that 500mb of memory, but their are OS
settings which control this. You'd have to install with less than 500mb in
the first place.

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

[Wblane]

Norton utilities and Sisoft report the correct amount of memory installed for
both my 98SE boxes (768MB and 1GB) and both my boxes work.

Windows 98 will not support more than 512MB Ram. Either remove the extra ram
or try a diffent OS.

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

[John Russell]

Um, I've got two 98SE boxes w/more than 500MB (1GB and 768MB) of memory and no
more problems than the usual shit w/Microshaft OS's. I guess you're wrong on
this one champ.

Sorry but I don't have more than 512mb to personally know about this
problem. On the other hand I don't wait to until I have problems before
visiting sites which describe such problems, and this one is well known.
A program I use call cacheman even has a setting for it when installed on
windows9x.

As with many things some people don't believe a problem exists until it
effects them!

 

[John Russell]

wrong
Sorry but I don't have more than 512mb to personally know about this
problem. On the other hand I don't wait to until I have problems before
visiting sites which describe such problems, and this one is well known.
A program I use call cacheman even has a setting for it when installed on
windows9x.

As with many things some people don't believe a problem exists until it
effects them!

And here is a link about the problem
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=253912

It does state that "some" computers may just hang if they have this problem.

Like all bugs not everyone sees evidence of it. There are hundreds of
reports like the link above on Microsofts site and I don't go around saying
they don't exist becuase I havn't had suffered them personally.
I just think how lucky I am not to have had them!

 

[Darthy]

Right. So what? Why anyone would pay $300, when they can spend $150, is
beyond me. I, sure as Hell, don't think the 'support' included in the
Retail version is worth $170!

Point is, most PEOPLE and business DO spend full price. Who sells
more cards? CompUSA or the online store on pricewatch.com?

Sounds like a personal problem.

Yeah, it is.... the ability to see bull shit... you enjoy being sheep.

 

[Strontium]

-
Darthy stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

Point is, most PEOPLE and business DO spend full price. Who sells
more cards? CompUSA or the online store on pricewatch.com?


Yeah, it is.... the ability to see bull shit... you enjoy being sheep.

Enjoy being uptight.

 

[Wblane]

But the guy I responded to guaranteed 98 wouldn't work w/more than 512MB of
memory.

And here is a link about the problem
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=253912

It does state that "some" computers may just hang if they have this problem.

Like all bugs not everyone sees evidence of it. There are hundreds of
reports like the link above on Microsofts site and I don't go around saying
they don't exist becuase I havn't had suffered them personally.
I just think how lucky I am not to have had them!

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

[John Russell]

But the guy I responded to guaranteed 98 wouldn't work w/more than 512MB of
memory.

You where responding to me , and I was pointing out a known problem exists
which could explain the original posters problems with windows98. The fact
your system works dosn't help someone with problems. If you didn't install
your system from scratch onto more than 512mb you may have picked up the fix
whilst using less than 512mb. I bet a lot of tweaking packages include the
vcache mods.

 

[Wblane]

Good point, I've already implemented the vcache mods (all it amounts to is a
minor modification to system.ini). Before I did this I used to get the "out of
memory" errors. Both systems work fine now though.

You where responding to me , and I was pointing out a known problem exists
which could explain the original posters problems with windows98. The fact
your system works dosn't help someone with problems. If you didn't install
your system from scratch onto more than 512mb you may have picked up the fix
whilst using less than 512mb. I bet a lot of tweaking packages include the
vcache mods.

-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)

 

[DLFrost]

Good point, I've already implemented the vcache mods (all it amounts to is a

minor modification to system.ini). Before I did this I used to get the "out
of
memory" errors. Both systems work fine now though.

Part of the confusion may lie in the fact that there are some programs that
won't run on machines that have more than 512megs of memory-- CorelPainter
being the most notorious. (It runs for some, but not for most, even with cache
management in place. No one's figured out why.)

If you haven't heard about it, Cacheman is a favorite for managing memory on
Windows systems.
www.outertech.com

Doug Frost

 

[PB]

Part of the confusion may lie in the fact that there are some programs
that

won't run on machines that have more than 512megs of memory-- CorelPainter
being the most notorious. (It runs for some, but not for most, even with cache
management in place. No one's figured out why.)

That is not inherently a problem with the programs, it is a problem with
Windows 9x memory management, that shows up when using some programs and not
others.

DD