Thanks for all the help, let me be more precise now.
First I am not a begginer and yes I have uninstalled all of it although
it wasn't pretty, eventually I went into safe mode and removed all the
traces of ati with driver cleaner net yet it didn't help. Then I
installed visual c++ 2008 x64 and net frameowrk 3.0 and 3.5 I tried to
install 2.0 but vista claims it is already installed.
Here is how this happens, i run this file
8-3_vista64_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_59753.exe
screen shows up
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4705/45189697ba2.jpg
i press install, it seems to get to the end and than this message every
time
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3259/92256157jx0.png
and the error looks like this
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: InstallManagerApp.exe
Application Version: 3.0.664.0
Application Timestamp: 47c37cad
Fault Module Name: MFC80U.DLL
Fault Module Version: 8.0.50727.42
Fault Module Timestamp: 4333a8d0
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000000000007a1ac
OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1050
Additional Information 1: bfef
Additional Information 2: e8adce1c2b9e7be834b4063ac3c53863
Additional Information 3: bfef
Additional Information 4: e8adce1c2b9e7be834b4063ac3c53863
Although I am a pretty advanced user I am totaly new to Vista and maybe
it is my fault somehow, it is a fresh install of vista x64, the updates
are the service pack1, I have no antivirus or firewall(except windows
firewall), I turned off uac and superfetch, every program I tested works
except I can't get windows mail to start it tells me this message
'windows mail could not be started becuse msoe.dll could not be loaded'.